Upgrade from Kit Lens, Need Advice

i vote for the sigma 17-70.

it's a shade slower than the tamron 28-75 at f4, but the 17mm wide is much more useful for my style of shooting.

the used ones can be had for around $300.

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I'd get the 16-45 f4 (I know, it's not f2.8, but it is decently sharp even wide open and a good upgrade to the kit lens). Wider is good too, especially indoors. Also surprisingly good lens for close up shots - better than I expected it to be.

I'd supplement with a fast prime or two - and be tempted to go for cheap secondhand manual focus lenses eg 28mm SMCA f2.8.
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I have a small budget of around $200-400 (would like to stay in the $300-350 if possible) to purchase a new/used lens. Below is the type of photography I do, and what I am looking for in a new lens.

I currently have a DL and K100 that I use equally. I have 2 Kit 18-55 lens, Tamron 70-300, SMC M 50 f1.7, and a Old M 35-200 Macro Lens (The M lenses get minimal use), and a AF360.

70% of my photography consist of indoor photos of my 10 month old daughter with the Kit Lens and AF360 Flash. So far results have been great. I like to do natural lighting, but the kit lens is a little slow for this. I have used the M 50 f1.7 and had decent results, but the manual focus makes it tough to keep up with my daughter.

20% of my photography consist of outdoor family outings and weekend adventures. We live in the mountains, so this consist of alot nature walks and such under the tree canopy and along the river. The majority of my work here is with the 18-55, but I occasionally break out the 70-300. I find the 18-55 to be to short on the zoom end, and the 70-300 is to long.

The other 10% ranges from Cave photography to wildlife in our local parks. The majority of this is with the 70-300 on the long end and the 18-55 for the wide end.

What I am Looking For
-A faster lens for indoor natural lighting.
-Something around 2.8 to give shallow DOF when I get experimental.

-Auto Focus speeds that are decent. I understand in this price range its only going to be OK.
-More zoom range than the Kit Lens
-Hopefully a semi macro to allow for close focusing of flowers and such.
-A ALL-N-One Walk Around lens to replace the Kit Lens I have.

-Would like to be as wide as the 18-55, Can go with a zoom lens that starts around 28 if I had to.

Lens I have looked At
-Sigma 17-70 f2.8-4.5
-Sigma 18-125 f3.8-5.6 (slower than I would like)
-Sigma 28-70 f2.8 (Like this, but wish it was WIDER)
-Tamron 17-50 f2.8 (out of my price range, but looks GOOD)
-Tamron 28-105 f2.8 (New Old Stock)

What ever I choose I want it to be a lens that I can got and order or buy. The last thing I want is to decide on the perfect lens and then not be able to find it. New or Used is OK with me.
Ahhh, that old conundrum, join the club, but add in a wish for landscape usage, in fact for me swap you landscape and indoor % and you get my current situ, except that it will probably become your % in less than 9months time !.

The options as I see them (I have a DA12-24 too though)

a) a 16-45, I have found 45mm a tad short indoors but it's superb edge to edge at f4, great for wide view landscapes, a very good versatile lens, I can recommend it personally. only f4? - invest in some good raw post processing software and use higher ISO ?

b) a new tamron 17-50/2.8 ? filter is 67mm, good reviews though, poss 50 a bit short ?
c) a tamron 28-75/2.8 - not quite wide enough indoors ?, but longer is nice ?
d) a tamron sp 24-135/3.5-5.6 - quality ??

e) a sigma 24-60/2.8 - discontinued now but well liked over at pentaxforumsDOTcom
f) sigma 24-70/2.8 - seems expensive and an inconvenient filter size too IIRC

g) a sigma 17-70/2.8-4.5 but 72mm filter (quite a few pentax lenses are are 49, 67 or 77mm filters)
h) a pentax 28-105 but these don't have rave reviews IIRC

i) a pentax 28-70/4 - optically OK IIRC and quite cheap, but any better than DA18-55II ?
j) pentax FA*28-70/2.8 - too pricey I fear, besides it's silver !

k) pentax DA17-70/4 v.similar optical quality to the 16-45/4 apparently and the FL range seems to make sense.

what we really want is the mythical 16-60/70/75 constant f2.8 to solve all our problems

just my 2d, enjoy your decision, have a look at dofmaster.com too

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One advice is do not consider the old Tamron 28-105/2.8 It only got a Photodo rating of 2.4 which is even below such super zooms as the Tamron 28-200 Super. If you can find an old Tamton SP 35-105/2.8 that can be a bargain as it's rating was 3.6 which is in the area of the ratings of 70-200/2.8 lenses made by Tamron and Sigma.
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Your bodies have slower AF, so I would put the Sigma 17-70 at the top of the list. It is a good match for the slower AF systems and can speed that up. Rendering is quite Pentax like and much nicer than the kit lens. The down side is that it is a big lens compared to the kit lens. It is over a pound and the lens hood can be a tight fit in some bags.
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Hi James,

I speak of the DA 16-45/4 even though it's f/4 ..it is a cracker of a lens, IMHO :)

and for the f/2.8 bunch I would suggest a Tamron 17-50/2.8 or Tamron 28-75/2.8 and, ideally, used in mint condition to match your budget :)

Cheers,

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James, Based on what you wrote about your requirements and your budget, and you shoot most, I believe this is the best - the Tamron SP 28-75mm f2.8. It has great performance, nice colour, and is just under $400 from a couple of ebay dealers, but I don't know if you want to buy from ebay.
 
On a budget, I'd go for the 16-45 f4

Look on pentaxforumsDOTcom for decent deals, they come
up all the time.

For a bit more money the Sigma 17-70 These come up less so
on the above forums.

Sigma is large, and casts a shadow if you use
on camera flash.
So does the DA16-45.

I went for the Sigma instead of the 16-45. Both are good but the Sigma actually had a more Pentax look to my eyes.

Look at the photos and make your own judgement. YMMV, :-)
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Lens I have looked At
-Sigma 17-70 f2.8-4.5
FYI, the Sigma 17-70mm changes its max aperture at these focal lengths:
f/2.8 @ 17mm
f/3.5 @ 23mm
f/4 @ 37mm
f/4.5 @ 70mm
(according to a post on another forum, I don't have it so can't verify myself)
-Sigma 18-125 f3.8-5.6 (slower than I would like)
-Sigma 28-70 f2.8 (Like this, but wish it was WIDER)
-Tamron 17-50 f2.8 (out of my price range, but looks GOOD)
-Tamron 28-105 f2.8 (New Old Stock)
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I've recently got my first DSLR, ever, a K-x with the 18-55 kit lens, and the kit lens is in most lighting conditions OK, if a bit slow.

What would be recommended to replace it?! I might need to add that I also plan to buy the Tamron 70 - 200 macro, tested at dpreview a while back :-)
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