FZ50; still the best bridge superzoom camera in 2010!?

I love his work, but I think, DR the most that what he was miising in FZ
Venus III blotches under aeroplanes and in shadows are probably something he can live without . . . I run my FZ8 on low contrast, sharpness and NR, with high saturation, to try to avoid these, especially on faces under hat brims. And then I try to avoid sharpening etc in PP for the same reason.

If I could order the FZ5's Venus II engine for my FZ8, I would have done so last summer, when I had both cameras. It's simply better up to 400 ISO, if they just warmed the colours a little, like in Venus III . . . :)

Mike
 
True enought vlab,

Despite economics strategies and the fact, that Fuji S100sf and S200EXR may be 1 generation ahead of FZ50, I will wait for convincing advance, if advance there is.

From my point of view it may be easier to make a statement since I mainly use my camera for birding, meaning that TC-E7ED is attached 90% of the time.

Cheap way to get decend picture à 714mm without carrying to much weight (compare to reflex)

Kevin also told me that he don't suggest to add TCs to the Fuji Bridge. Probably because of the slow lens at full zoom I guess. But I would be curious to know if the ED element of the Nikon TC may correct the PF thing and abberation.

So FZ35/38 maybe more interesting for me (adding reach and 2MP resolution).

But then I lose my hot shoe so I cannot used my FL-50 with better beamer that help a lot to improve IQ.

Conclusion: Status Quo for the moment.

Once again thanks everyone for your interests and inputs to this thread.
WOW, 37 replies so far for a four year old camera (with FZ30 ~ 6 years?), I think it means something...
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Having watched this thread, I decided to put in my 2 cents. I had a FZ30 and sold it, years ago, then bought a new FZ50. I was terribly disappointed with it and returned it and bought another FZ30. It is the better of the two I think, but that is just my opinion and I am no pro.
Do I am wrong or FZ50 (that would be 4 years old in july 2010) is still the best bridge superzoom camera?

Like many of us, I have followed 'supposed' innovations (competitors included); but it seem that the today superzoom camera still fall off vs FZ50...

Technology didn't improve in the last years?

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Having watched this thread, I decided to put in my 2 cents. I had a FZ30 and sold it, years ago, then bought a new FZ50. I was terribly disappointed with it and returned it and bought another FZ30. It is the better of the two I think, but that is just my opinion and I am no pro.
Sometimes I wonder what Panasonic engineers think when reading a thread like this.

I mean, customers returning back to previous models, customers holding onto their current cameras because new ones do not meet their expectations or even because there are no new ones.

It must be a sad reading for them, indeed.

They made a mistake in the beginning. They gave us fast 35-420mm lens with manual zoom ring.

Too versatile to give up. Too good.

We're spoiled. :-)
 
I purchased my FZ-50 as a replacement for my Sony F-717 and remember not being particularly impressed. I liked the SLR like feel and features, and loved that big zoom, but I didn't think there was any improvement in picture quality. The FZ-50 has twice the resolution, but I didn't think the photos were any better, and in some cases, especially in difficult exposure situations, not as good as the F-717.

Flash photos were always noisy and exposure was somewhat inconsistent using the Olympus FL-36.

Yet overall, I got some really great photos of my son from his Little League days, and a whole lot of family photos from the holidays, but now it's time to move on. I think three years in a good life time for a digital camera. Technology is moving too fast.

I got my new GH-1 a couple of days ago, and have only had an opportunity to play a bit with it around the house, but so far I'm very impressed and look forward to really annoying my family by constantly taking pictures of them!

I'm now hoping that Panasonic will find a way to squeeze a m/43 sensor into a LX-3/TZ-5 replacement.
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I have had a lot of help in being happy with my FZ50 by spending seamingly endless hours comparing photographs from review sights. But for me it is the particular real World shots captured over at http://www.dcresource.com that have mirrored most closely my own experiences with my FZ50 and the other cameras I have encountered. I have been able to step alongside friends on days out and capture the shot they'd just captured with their camera. For me, a regular joe who at least knows how to operate a camera, the FZ50 shots consistantly hold up to or better the camera I test it against. The surprise is that in many cases the review test photos don't reflect this. For instance. In a test shot once between my FZ50 and a TZ5, very similar in review shots, the shot was at a prom entrance where a chance at a shot was short lived and hampered by everyone crowding around. The FZ50 shot worked into the light, unhooded, and captured a shot. The TZ5, not 2 feet away and aimed if anything a little further off the light, completely blew out with nothing to keep.

At the end of last year I began noticing that the Venus III was preserving fine black detail better than most current digicams (fine jpeg). Now at the start of this year I am beginning to wonder about the FZ50 lens itself. Is its design special in any way? I don't know. But something is allowing the FZ50 to achieve an edge in real World photography to my mind. It's early days but I would not be surprised if the big FZ50 lens is providing more than just image sharpness; maybe superior control of glare and stray light (unhooded).

Anyway. With great thanks and all credit to dcresource.com, here below are some 1:1 comparisons of the FZ50, FZ35 and GF1. I for one remain very happy with the FZ50. And I would have certainly done a better job of the inside of the church (who of us would have used ISO800?):





















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Mike, S100 vs S200 is a tough call. The s100 has a larger sensor and adobe ACR/lightroom support. The S200 is cheaper and has a lot of neat tricks with the versatile EXR sensor, however this sensor also has some strange artifacts if you drill down deep into the files, - a sort of 'comb tooth' artifact that is present in every camera using the EXR sensor.

Both cameras are handicapped by a slow f5.3 lens which has trouble focusing in low light.

If I had to pick I would say the S200 mainly because of the versatile EXR sensor. I believe both cameras are one generation ahead of the panny FZ30/50 in terms of file quality at base ISO.
Thanks for your comments Kevin. I hadn't realised that the S100/200 lens was that slow - a bit of a shock after using much bigger apertures with the FZs. It all depends on your own priorities I guess . . . getting the shot reliably is at least as important as the IQ at low iSO.
Thanks,
Mike
 
Thanks John for a very detailed comparison, What I can see - FZ50 and GF1 are very close in IQ (except in low light, which we have to leve with). Small censor and 4/3! Interesting will be see FZ50 and E-650.
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. . . . Anyway. With great thanks and all credit to dcresource.com, here below are some 1:1 comparisons of the FZ50, FZ35 and GF1. I for one remain very happy with the FZ50. And I would have certainly done a better job of the inside of the church (who of us would have used ISO800?): . . . .
Hmmm, from what we've seen of real life FZ35/38 results on this Forum, I would think there's something wrong with those FZ35 samples. Time of day and lighting are different for a start, and it's notoriously difficult to form conclusions from one set of samples. Camera default settings are not the same, etc, etc.

I don't have an FZ35/38, just my impression . . .

Mike
 
The idea is always to reasure FZ50 owners that their cameras still make the grade. Sure another set of FZ35's might prove better, but for me the job's done. Setting the FZ35 shots aside the FZ50 still stacks up against the GF1 in good light; IMO. The GF1 is clear of artifacts at 1:1, but I can get rid of those anyway at need, which is a very rare need in fact.

There simply must be people on this form that own both the FZ50 and FZ35. So why so few comparison shots? Ultimately I'm not actually bothered. There continues to be great shots on this forum from FZ's prior to the FZ50 after all. Where the FZ35 might draw better results from higher ISO's, it is at the expense of manual lens, direct filter application, flip out screen, control wheels and the all important hot shoe. I can focus on any face I want, to be flipant briefly.

Is the FZ50 still the best bridge camera in 2010? Well for me - yes; and easily so. Ultimately, for what it achieves, for what it offers, the FZ50 is beautifully compact; a size many other cameras of the type and above still strive to emulate.

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Well enough said. At Iso 100 FZ50 not any worse than GF1. FZ35 at the same lighting - worse than both of them. We can play with settings on FZ35, but the fact as is - artifacts, noise or loss of details. You can't lie to physics - smaller sensor can't give better results even with Venus XII.

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Well enough said. At Iso 100 FZ50 not any worse than GF1. FZ35 at the same lighting - worse than both of them. . . .
Like I said, I doubt that this one comparison with the FZ35, with shots taken at different times and other possible variables, is reliable. Real life FZ35 shots shown elswhere on this Forum do not show the poor image quality seen in these samples.

And in any case, the FZ50 is in a different size/weight class from the FZ35/38, so it ought to be better, and with its internal zooming, manual zoom ring, tilt screen and hot shoe, it probably is, for those who want those things. Others prefer the smaller, lighter format of the FZ35/38, so as usual, it all depends on what you want.

Mike
 
The idea is always to reasure FZ50 owners that their cameras still make the grade. Sure another set of FZ35's might prove better, but for me the job's done. . . .
Sorry, can't follow that at all . . . whose idea is always to reassure FZ50 owners etc etc . . . ? What job's done?

Having said that, the FZ50 may well have a claim to be the best all-rounder superzoom to date for people who want the larger format (though not as brick-like as the S100 etc).

Mike
 
True enought vlab,
I've owned several Canon superzooms, and the FZ28 and 35. I looked hard at getting an FZ30 or 50, and decided against it I do not shoot RAW and I do shoot in several areas where higher ISO is important to me. Your use for birding is different from my use, so we have a significant difference in how we use our cameras, and what we use them for.

I'm currently using the FZ35. I have a TCON 17 to use with it if I need more reach, but it is seldom needed.

The FZ35 has noticeably better OIS than the FZ28, and it also has better AF than that camera.

There are two features on the FZ50 that I would like to have on the FZ35 - the hot shoe and the articulated LCD. I got part way there by using a Flip-bac on my FZ35. The FZ35 also has a lens as fast as the FZ30 or 50. It only goes to f/4.4 at 486 mm, but at 430 mm is still around f/3.7

Since I shoot in JPEG, the bleeding and desaturation of reds is a killer on the FZ50 at ISO 400. The FZ35's Venus Engine HD is much better than the VE used in the FZ50.
From my point of view it may be easier to make a statement since I mainly use my camera for birding, meaning that TC-E7ED is attached 90% of the time.

Cheap way to get decend picture à 714mm without carrying to much weight (compare to reflex)

Kevin also told me that he don't suggest to add TCs to the Fuji Bridge. Probably because of the slow lens at full zoom I guess. But I would be curious to know if the ED element of the Nikon TC may correct the PF thing and abberation.
The aberrations are caused by the Fuji lens, and you can't correct for that with an add on tele lens on the front. Usually, they get worse.
So FZ35/38 maybe more interesting for me (adding reach and 2MP resolution).
It's possible. The FZ35 handles noise very well, and ISO 1600 IPEGs print very well at 5" x 7". You will lose some features, but you also gain a few.
But then I lose my hot shoe so I cannot used my FL-50 with better beamer that help a lot to improve IQ.

Conclusion: Status Quo for the moment.

Once again thanks everyone for your interests and inputs to this thread.
WOW, 37 replies so far for a four year old camera (with FZ30 ~ 6 years?), I think it means something...
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. . . . I've owned several Canon superzooms, and the FZ28 and 35. I looked hard at getting an FZ30 or 50, and decided against it I do not shoot RAW and I do shoot in several areas where higher ISO is important to me. . . . .
Without quoting all your points, I'm happy that you as an actual FZ35 user are confirming my own feelings about the FZ30/50 and the FZ35.

It all very much depends on the individual user's priorities, and as just one example of mine, bleeding reds in JPEGs at 400 ISO are unsatisfactory for me. This is also one area where the FZ5 is superior to the FZ8. I need up to 1600 ISO for outdoor action photography uner grey skies here in England. Waiting for the sun to come out is very frustrating and you get old quickly . . . :)

I do wish that the FZ35/38 had a class-leading EVF, but nonetheless, at present, the FZ35/38 is my most likely upgeade from the FZ8.

Unless the FZ9 arrives, of course . . . :)

Mike
 
As a new member I have hesitated to join in, but I have both the FZ50, FZ18, and now the FZ35. I have taken about 30,000 wildlife pictures with the FZ50 and recently have started to compare it and the FZ35.

My 2-cents for what it is worth, is that the question of which camera is best depends on the type of photos you take, the lighting, the amount of low contrast detail vs. high contrast detail in the image, and your tolerance for always shooting RAW

The FZ50 is a great camera for a lot of reasons, and under good lighting, with lots of high contrast detail, and particularly with RAW it gives extremely nice images. There is indeed a quality of the images that is very pleasant, if you do not pixel peep.

However, under less optimal conditions - low light and important low contrast detail in the images, such as the feathers in wild birds at over 30 feet- the FZ50 falls down. The strong noise reduction was and still is a problem in the FZ50 in jpegs. Fine details in feathers and etc. tends to be smoothed out. You can partially get around this by exposing slightly to the right of center and/or using RAW. The hotshoe also becomes imortant, since for birds at a feeder, I can use an external strong flash to fire an external slave flash and get enough light to get extremely good detail even with jpeg.

In terms of resolution of detail in photos of animals out in the field, however, the FZ35 for me simply out resolves the FZ50 in jpeg images, and typically retains more detail in lower contrast areas like the feather pattern on an egret as compared to the FZ50. The FZ50 picture may be slightly more pleasant to the eye, however, as long as you do not look for too much fine detail in lower contrast areas. I am not sure exactly what happened in the pictures shown in earlier posts comparing the FZ50, FZ35, and the GH1, but from my experience the FZ35 pictures shown in that post are not typical in terms of sharpness, focus, and detail. The FZ35 is typically better than that and gives sharp detailed pictures as good or better than the FZ50 under many conditions. I have also taken pictures with the Panny G1 in the wild, and it does give the nicer pictures of all three cameras, but the 45-200 mm zoom is just too short for many pictures. You can crop more with the G1, but at 3 times the cost of the FZ35, I prefer the FZ35 with the TCON17 and EZ-zoom.

One final point, that may be important, particularly for those who say the optical stabilization on the FZ35 is no better or worse than earlier Panny's, is that I find it to be a different beast that requires some care. The optical stabilization on the FZ35 sometimes seems to be a little behind the focus in locking on to the image, and if you try to take the picture too fast it may not have locked on properly. You can tell when it locks on in the auto mode, because the jitter disappears and it will literally fight you in moving away from the central focal point.

I love my FZ50, but am gaining increasing respect for the FZ35 as well.
 
I'm not sure that at 30 feet FZ50 can loose details, below in a picture taken at ~ 25 meters or 80 feet, cropped, terrible lighting situation - high contrast between the nest in shadow and light coming straight forward to you. Used the widest aperture - look on the area closed to the head of the mother.



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Or this girl, shot from ~ 30m, ~ 100 feet



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I'm not sure that at 30 feet FZ50 can loose details, below in a picture taken at ~ 25 meters or 80 feet, cropped, terrible lighting situation - high contrast between the nest in shadow and light coming straight forward to you. Used the widest aperture - look on the area closed to the head of the mother.



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Taken at 80 feet eh? hmmmm... DOF master shows the fz50 at 75 feet has a dof of about 5 feet in front of the subject and five feet behind the subject at f4.
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Do I am wrong or FZ50 (that would be 4 years old in july 2010) is still the best bridge superzoom camera?

You are wrong! FZ30 is better! O.k., seriously, I agree with those who say what camera is the best for you depends on your needs and experience and to that end, count me with those who have not seen anything come on the market that would tempt me to trade my October 2005 FZ30 for any other bridge superzoon camera.

Amazing that the everyday shortcomings I find most limiting five years on are the same ones I read about prior to buying the camera, namely, low light shooting (especially at the long end) or fast motion limitations (eg. airshows, and motion during low interior ambient light conditions).

But go back to carrying a multi-lens SLR kit everywhere? Never!

BTW, Kevin, great shots as always and I see your sharp eye extends to DOF calculations too!
 

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