Flare gun/starter pistol with checked baggage to reduce chance of loss

[jeraldjcook]

You're missing out on additional income if you're bot charging for providing wedding "security" as well.

Retired NYPD, currently chief of a small town on Cape Cod. I do some professional photography on the side; sell images at various venues, wedding photographer with another shooter. Relatively low end local Cape stuff. We charge around $2,000 for a wedding plus X amount for the photo book.

Merry Xmas back to all you guys,

Rich

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[jeraldjcook]

Oops, make that "bot" a "not."

You're missing out on additional income if you're bot charging for providing wedding "security" as well.

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[Meggy]

Well if the starting pistol goes off in the plane Rich, you'll be able to say "It might be race-related".

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[lanef]

Do not travel so equipped to any other place in the world.The authorities even take the fillings out of peoples teeth when they land in europe.

Now you are giving terrorists new ideas. It has been the shoe, the bottle of coke, the underwear and what next?

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[Charlie Self]

sadly it does not look to be like that (I googled some info) I think the idea of using a large locked case would cut back on most of the theft (just stick this camera in my pocket and send the bag on its way) its harder to steal the whole suit case.

Basic problem: TSA does not allow locked bags.

I travel with my camera gear and as it is now I have to ship it via UPS or FedEx ahead of me.

Probably the only sane way to do it now. Fortunately for me, I'm semi-retired. I just do not fly. For anything.

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[Charlie Self]

Well if the starting pistol goes off in the plane Rich, you'll be able to say "It might be race-related".

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You'd let a loaded pistol, of any kind, out of your possession for what reason?

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[tokengirl]

As an aside, do not think that the TSA regulations are the only regulations you need to follow. Check the state and municipal regs of your destination too. A very good friend of mine thought it would be a good idea to bring his handgun to New York City, and did everything he was instructed to do per the TSA regs. He had no problem getting to New York, but leaving was another matter entirely. When he went to the counter to do the paperwork for his handgun (packed exactly per the TSA regs), the nice lady at the counter called the police over and my friend spent a long weekend in the clink, spent $20,000 on lawyers, had to go back to NYC twice for court dates and got 6 months probation.

It's waaaaaaaay easier to just leave the gun at home.

 

[BigPixel]

This thread is DEAD as of Christmas somewhere over Detroit. I pitty the fool who'd try to ship a starter gun (or any other incendiary device) from now on.
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[Robert J. Gonzalez]

Certainly an interesting idea.

My thought is this: If they have a way to "track" these, then why could they not allow people with high value cargo to use the same system. You could take your camera case to TSA screening, have it checked and locked, then have it sent on it's way, with the extra tracking (whatever that is) in place.

Because if they loose track of a "weapon" it's their butts, if they lose our camera, well, so what?

(a starter pistol is a "weapon" like ketchup is a "vegetable")

Given that they've started charging for just about everything, I'm suprised they haven't figured out that some of us would be willing to pay extra to not have our stuff stolen!

Jim Dean

 

[Ken Phillips]

I'm gonna take a handgun for my Florida vacation. I can't carry it on, I can't have it loaded (or stored with the ammo), I cannot load it after landing until I've left the terminal, so why is that a big deal?
KP
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[BigPixel]

I have no idea on Earth why anyone would pack a gun for a vacation trip to Florida or anywhere else. Are you planning to shoot someone who might be breaking into your rental car trunk??

I apologize in advance if this seems offensive to you, I am not plugged into the gun-culture. Can you even carry a loaded weapon in Florida without a FL permit???
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[Ken Phillips]

You should lose that term, ASAP. Most households in the US have at least one firearm. I have a concealed carry permit that's good in several states, but the vast majority of my friends will never know it. I have been assaulted more than once. I have had $12K worth of photo stuff stolen. I tend to photograph while alone, and off the beaten path. I don't intend to shoot anyone, because merely showing a criminal that you have a gun will end things there. But I will not be a victim, ever again.

Guns do not cause crime. And a vacation does not guarantee that you won't be the victim of a criminal act. The police in the USA have zero obligation to protect you, as decided by the courts.
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[BigPixel]

KP,

No offense intended but what else would you call it? I don't know a single person who owns a hand gun here and I live in one of the primo vacation destinations on the planet.

But let's not go down the NRA path here, not appropriate. Let's just say that if I were on vacation I think I'd rather let a theif steal my insured gear and then make a claim. My life is worth more to me than $12k. Packing heat on vacation only asks for trouble IMHO.

Back to the thread, after the Christmas underwear bomber event over Detroit, I don't think I'd want to check any kind of weapon or explosive device for the next few months.

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[CM_laptop]

Guns do not cause crime. And a vacation does not guarantee that you won't be the victim of a criminal act. The police in the USA have zero obligation to protect you, as decided by the courts.

Are you sure about that? sources?

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[Paul Grupp]

. . . anybody stupid enough to bring a handgun into NYC without the proper permit DESERVES to spend a night in jail, and spend a fortune on lawyers.

Gun laws are a complicated web of politicized laws across our states, counties, and municipalities, and any responsible individual who legally owns and carries a handgun in 21st century USA realizes this, and would (or should) perform due diligence in making sure that they are in compliance with the laws when they think about carrying a legally-owned weapon outside their home, home county, city, or state.

In the case of NYC, a simple Google search would have informed your friend that possession of any kind of a firearm in NYC without first obtaining a proper permit is a criminal offense, and that the process to obtain a permit is so expensive and time consuming that no casual owner of a weapon would want to go through the process -- and in fact, it is impossible to obtain a permit to carry a pistol in NYC without demonstrating a "need" to carry that is acceptable to the licensing authorities.

Whether any of us choose to bear the responsibility of legally carrying a weapon is a very personal choice, and I wouldn't presume to tell somebody else whether they should carry a gun or not, assuming they are willing to comply with all applicable laws if they do choose to carry.

On the other hand, carrying anything that could be construed as a weapon as an attempt to make the TSA and airline personnel treat your luggage with more respect strikes me as well, a crackpot crazy idea.

 

[RichCapeCod]

Guns do not cause crime. And a vacation does not guarantee that you won't be the victim of a criminal act. The police in the USA have zero obligation to protect you, as decided by the courts.

Are you sure about that? sources?

He is quite accurate. The police have a general duty to protect. You would be surprised (and appalled) to know just how little protection police are required to offer citizens. Fortunately, most police departments do a fine job of protecting the public, but that comes down to their policy, not a legal requirement. There have been some truly unsettling court rulings (which I do not have handy at the moment) that have held that even what I consider to be egregious nonfeasance on the part of local law enforcement was not actionable on the part of the victims. One case involved some woman who were victims of a home invasion in Washington DC. One managed to call 911, for some reason officers never responded and they were raped repeatedly for many hours.

To a far greater degree then you might imagine you are responsible for your own security.

Rich

 

[RichCapeCod]

OK, before someone calls BS, here is the case I mentioned in the previous posting:

Warren v. District of Columbia is one of the leading cases of this type. Two women were upstairs in a townhouse when they heard their roommate, a third woman, being attacked downstairs by intruders. They phoned the police several times and were assured that officers were on the way. After about 30 minutes, when their roommate's screams had stopped, they assumed the police had finally arrived. When the two women went downstairs they saw that in fact the police never came, but the intruders were still there. As the Warren court graphically states in the opinion: "For the next fourteen hours the women were held captive, raped, robbed, beaten, forced to commit sexual acts upon each other, and made to submit to the sexual demands of their attackers."

The three women sued the District of Columbia for failing to protect them, but D.C.'s highest court exonerated the District and its police, saying that it is a "fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen." [4] There are many similar cases with results to the same effect. [5]

Google "Police Duty to Protect" to read lots more.

Rich

 

[Raymond Bradlau]

Agree I will take insurance over gun for theft anyday

I like target shooting and am a member of the NRA, and feel most gun control laws are worthless at best (I would like more training to help stop accidental shootings)...... BUT

I have insurance that will cover theft and honestly I cant see killing anyone over "stuff" and even if I could I am sure the court costs would be very high.

I used to live in some shady neighborhoods and have been robbed at gun point twice (young fearless and really stupid!)... nether one of those times could I have defended myself without pulling a quick draw like in a wild west movie.... I think maybe you guys need to concentrate on your surroundings and look for issues before hand vs. the "I have a gun I am safe attitude"

For all you Doc Holiday types, where do you find the time to practice? Even when I was shooting target every day I would still have an off day (your off day you miss and kill someone else) and when I would get busy and skip a few days I would be off the mark quit a bit when I did get back (clearly you dont take time off because carrying a firearm is such a huge responsibility).

Like I said I lived in some less then pleasant areas and believe me when the police do show up you really dont want to be standing there with a gun, they dont play around (rightfully so) the best possible outcome is of them introducing you face first to the concrete.... and you spending money on court costs.

Its going to get expensive blasting some dude called "Terrible T"..... you see in court his mom is going to be there with his 5th grade picture crying about Tommy and how she loved him.... even if you are 100% correct it is going to cost you.

KP,

No offense intended but what else would you call it? I don't know a single person who owns a hand gun here and I live in one of the primo vacation destinations on the planet.

But let's not go down the NRA path here, not appropriate. Let's just say that if I were on vacation I think I'd rather let a theif steal my insured gear and then make a claim. My life is worth more to me than $12k. Packing heat on vacation only asks for trouble IMHO.

Back to the thread, after the Christmas underwear bomber event over Detroit, I don't think I'd want to check any kind of weapon or explosive device for the next few months.

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[ScottyNV]

a Starter Pistol or Very Pistol (flare gun) often uses 12-ga shells, and are actually capable of firing shotgun shells of the same size (accuracy is another matter entirely!), so YES, they are properly classed as a weapon.

note that in Canada, you just might have trouble putting one in your luggage without a VERY GOOD reason for it being there!

my opinion... BAD IDEA.

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[K10D]

Are you serious? I can't remember the last time a skier hijacked a plane using skis. And yes, you should have to explain why you need a gun on a plane. Guns and aircraft just do not mix.

Pardon my ignorance but as a hunter and sport shootet as far I have proper permits for my firearm I do not have to explain ( and I never did) why I am carrying firearm on flight ; nor skier doesn't have to explain why is he carrying his skis or musicien his guitar .

As far the carrying case question ; I am always ask to use lockable case that dos not look like firearm casa.
Pavel

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