Prestigious BBC nature photo contest controversy

First, I have to say when I first saw the shot at the announcement of the winner it gave me an uneasy feeling. I thought it fabulous, but could not put my finger on the source of my disquietude. This episode, although far from any proof of wrongdoing, only adds to my discomfort.

Now, to the gate. I have a suspicion it may be some of the cause of my 'puzzlement', although I never examined it closely before, as it doesn't look right somehow. Rustic, it certainly is, solid it may still have been, but what good purpose would it be serving placed as it is and how is it so perfectly positioned, given the complete lack of posts, hinges or latch? My experience of most country 'furniture', even when well maintained, is that it rarely sits perfectly.

It almost looks too good. Too picturesque, as though out of a scene from 'The Quiet Man', manufactured to create a Holywood representation of a rural idyll.

I honestly do hope that the photographer can show himself simply to be a great and genuine artist (if it proves to be the case I will feel my own share of shame at having had doubt). However, it will sadden me much more if it is all a set up. Such a thing would be an insult to all those who spend many, many thankless hours just to capture a special moment. Their work will inevitably always be under a shadow, especially if the result is magnificent.

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The parks people would be able to say if a gate was ever erected between the rocks. Besides, you can easily put up a temporary "prop" gate for photographic purposes. The image looks to be taken in the evening when any visitors (or perhaps even park workers) will not be around.

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Maybe the angle.
Where is the Wolf's tail? Behind its body? Would that be likely if the Wolf is running and jumping in a straight line? When Wolves run, their tails are typically held high and only wave a little from side to side. When they make a sharp turn, their tail may be swung to one side for balance. Can any of you see any sign of its tail?
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I have seen (WILD) wolves on several occasions jumping a rail fence that it could easily slipped thru. All woves end up with scars on their faces. It establishes their standing in the pack
I have also seen wolves in captivity and believe me, they are wild
http://www.haliburtonforest.com/wolf.html
http://www.wolfpark.org/Articles/Wyman.html

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You're right! The tail would be straight out behind him for balance. Good eye!
Where is the Wolf's tail? Behind its body? Would that be likely if the Wolf is running and jumping in a straight line? When Wolves run, their tails are typically held high and only wave a little from side to side. When they make a sharp turn, their tail may be swung to one side for balance. Can any of you see any sign of its tail?
 
Do you mean the part about Wild wolves in captivity ??

The Haliburton wolf park is Very different from a zoo environment. The public cannot interact with the wolf population, they can only view them thru one way glass. These are not socialized animals and live in the 15 acre compound as a wolf pack.

During deer hunting season, I can hear wolfpacks at night a half mile from my home. They clean up after the hunters. We Have a large deer population in southern Ontario (Canada)
My daughter who lives 20 miles north of me has wolves running thru her backyard.
You can hear them howling almost every night.
I have seen (WILD) wolves on several occasions jumping a rail fence that it could easily slipped thru. All wolves end up with scars on their faces. It establishes their standing in the pack
I have also seen wolves in captivity and believe me, they are wild
http://www.haliburtonforest.com/wolf.html
http://www.wolfpark.org/Articles/Wyman.html
That is a bit of an oxymoron though, isn't it?
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His tail could also be in the lower position. If a wolf sticks his tail up he is looking for a fight or issuing a challenge. So, if you don't want to fight, keep your tail down. That is a lesson learned early in a wolf pack.
Where is the Wolf's tail? Behind its body? Would that be likely if the Wolf is running and jumping in a straight line? When Wolves run, their tails are typically held high and only wave a little from side to side. When they make a sharp turn, their tail may be swung to one side for balance. Can any of you see any sign of its tail?
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This is not a situation where the wolf is using his tail to signal his intent, as in body language. When running and jumping, the tail is used for balance. It should be showing in the photo.
 
Hi guys, of course anything is possible with the position of the wolf's tail, but it seems to me it should be showing. I found some pictures of wolves jumping on the web (below). Some of the links don't work like I had hoped. You'll notice that some images show and that there are links before, between, or after some of the images. If you click on those links you'll be taken to the page where the photo is. For the ones that don't show a link or a photo just click on open in new window and you'll be taken to the page where the photo is. Notice the position of the tail on the living wolves.

The second and third pictures are of dead, stuffed wolves (the ones where the wolf is jumping at ducks or pheasants). I included those because after seeing them and others like them I had the horrible thought that a stuffed wolf could have been used for the winning contest shot. I sure do hope that isn't what was used. I've never thought about it before but I suppose that stuffed animals could be used in some wildlife photography.

I hope that the photographer can clear up the whole thing, but I will admit that I'm suspicious.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/7823190@N03/2875769247/





http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4949803















http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/2482285430050443493sNMAbe

http://www.flickr.com/photos/21599206@N00/990727895
 
I can't get your link to work. Thanks for posting it anyway. It enabled me to find the story with a bit of a workaround.

This link should work:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2009/dec/21/wolf-picture-rodriguez-wildlife-photographer

I just noticed that the two links appear to be identical except for the period at the end. The strange thing is that I copied your link, removed the period, pasted it into my broswer, and it still didn't work.
 
I can't get your link to work. Thanks for posting it anyway. It enabled me to find the story with a bit of a workaround.

This link should work:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2009/dec/21/wolf-picture-rodriguez-wildlife-photographer

I just noticed that the two links appear to be identical except for the period at the end. The strange thing is that I copied your link, removed the period, pasted it into my broswer, and it still didn't work.
Strange, linking from The Guardian usually works OK , but I'm glad you were able to find it. It is of course more than possible that I fouled up :)

Shay
 
I can't get your link to work. Thanks for posting it anyway. It enabled me to find the story with a bit of a workaround.

This link should work:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2009/dec/21/wolf-picture-rodriguez-wildlife-photographer

I just noticed that the two links appear to be identical except for the period at the end. The strange thing is that I copied your link, removed the period, pasted it into my broswer, and it still didn't work.
Strange, linking from The Guardian usually works OK , but I'm glad you were able to find it. It is of course more than possible that I fouled up :)

Shay
Other than the period at the end, I don't see any difference between the links, so I don't think you fouled up. Maybe my browser just doesn't like that link or maybe there was just a temporary glitch. One thing I've learned about computers and the internet is to expect the unexpected and count on nothing. :)
 
I can't get your link to work. Thanks for posting it anyway. It enabled me to find the story with a bit of a workaround.

This link should work:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2009/dec/21/wolf-picture-rodriguez-wildlife-photographer

I just noticed that the two links appear to be identical except for the period at the end. The strange thing is that I copied your link, removed the period, pasted it into my broswer, and it still didn't work.
Strange, linking from The Guardian usually works OK , but I'm glad you were able to find it. It is of course more than possible that I fouled up :)

Shay
Shay,
I'll reply to your post in another thread, unrelated to this.
It is not me throwing claims about most countries, not for me to prove it.
I also glanced over Wikipedia (hardly an authotitative source on any subject).

I am not sure whether you see the difference between requirement to have an ID and to carry one.
Rgds
 
Other than the period at the end, I don't see any difference between the links, so I don't think you fouled up. Maybe my browser just doesn't like that link or maybe there was just a temporary glitch. One thing I've learned about computers and the internet is to expect the unexpected and count on nothing. :)
Well, computers follow strict logic, when something misbehaves, there is a logical explanation - though sometimes the explanation may be a complicated one.

In the case of a link, there are two parts to consider
  • how the link is displayed on the webpage - this may be an image, icon or piece of text
  • the destination of the link - the actual website URL
Usually when the mouse is hovering over the link, the status-bar at the bottom of the browser will display the acrual destination, notice it can often differ from the text.

This is very often the case in spam email messages where the text will state the name of a reputable organisation ,such as a bank, but the actual destination is somewhere completely different.

Dpreview will shorten the displayed version of long links, so that the destination URL and the text displayed in the forum is not the same.

In this case, the link begins like this: http://www.guardian.co.uk
and the short version displayed in the message looks like this:

/...21/wolf-picture-rodriguez-wildlife-photographer.

but the correct full URL looks like this:

/artanddesign/2009/dec/21/wolf-picture-rodriguez-wildlife-photographer.

I guess you may have copied the shortened text from the message rather than the destination URL. In Firefox, right-click on the link and choose "copy link location" to get the correct version. Using Internet Explorer it is right-click and then "copy shortcut" .

Then the closing full-stop or dot needs to be removed of course, which was the original problem.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2009/dec/21/wolf-picture-rodriguez-wildlife-photographer

Regards,
Peter
 
Shay,
I'll reply to your post in another thread, unrelated to this.
If you know in advance that this is the wrong thread, and also know which is the correct thread, why on earth not simply reply in the relevant thread?

Regards,
Peter
 
Shay,
I'll reply to your post in another thread, unrelated to this.
If you know in advance that this is the wrong thread, and also know which is the correct thread, why on earth not simply reply in the relevant thread?

Regards,
Peter
A fair question.
The other thread reached its limit.
I guess there is no complete right to the way I replied, just the lesser wrong.

In any case, my apologies for invading the unrelated thread.
Rgds
 

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