(pics) Canon G11 w/ Voigtlander Optical Viewfinder

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I have jumped into the G-ship!



Having shot almost exclusively with a range of Canon DSLRs, I recently outfitted myself with the G11 for daily carry on the street, and as a camera for grab shots while traveling.

Being used to optical viewfinders (and an analog geek) I up-sold myself into purchasing the Voigtlander 35mm viewfinder. According to CameraQuest, it's the best 35mm viewfinder in existence. But then again, they sell the thing.



G11 first impressions:

I knew what I was getting into when I purchased this setup: a small sensor camera mostly for broad daylight, not above ISO 400 for anything serious. (My standards may not be yours.) Since I view this as an alternative to a small film camera with 400 speed film, I accept the amount of graininess as a fun alternative to scanning.



The menu system is decent but could be more refined. Too easy to press buttons accidentally, especially in manual mode!, Does anyone know how to disable the metering option while in M mode? I hate that I have to cycle through the metering option when going back and forth between aperture and shutter speed settings in M mode! Also, why can't I see the meter reading when the display is off. It shows me the settings as i change them but not the meter reading. Either I'm ignorant on this, or Canon is.



Shutter lag is minimal with forethought. I still capture what I intend, for the most part, but focusl could be quicker. I have a custom function preset to 2.5 meters at f/4, iso 400, in aperture priority for anything requiring instant response, with the lens set roughly equivalent to 32mm. I crop in post.



Voigtlander VF impressions:

Is it worth $160? Depends on who is shooting. I love the experience of an optical viewfinder, and the quality of this one puts my DSLRs to shame. In fact, it's brighter than any I've ever used. The bright lines hover beautifully in space as artfully illumined frame guides. They have an uncanny power to persuade me that every composition falling within their bounds is wonderfully artistic, which only proves that they are not to be trusted.





Is the viewfinder durable, and how does it fit in the shoe?

It was a little loose in the shoe until I put some paper under it as a shim. Now it's snug. Prior to this I managed to drop it from four feet onto concrete. My heart sank expecting broken glass. Nope. Just a microscopic fleck of paint missing from the all-metal housing. I expect that this will outlive my digital cameras and finder use on future setups. It's an investment. The finder also came with a wonderful tiny pouch, really a little work of craft with a scripted "V" embellished upon it.



Finder accuracy. Let's not kid ourselves. The alignment of the Voigtlander viewfinder with the G11 is not very accurate at any lens position, but is relatively positive at three or more meters, with the lens set 2 movements from full-wide. I crop to taste in post. If shooting closer than 3 meters, I shoot full wide and crop to my original intention later.

It only takes a moment to crop in LightRoom, and I rarely print larger than 5x7 for personal stuff so it's fine. If I want perfect quality I'll use the 5D. If I want everyday fun, this G11 with viewfinder seems to do it.

Walking the streets with the screen inverted and shooting with the viewfinder is a pleasure! So inconspicuous. It causes me to focus on the next shot, rather than reviewing the last one!



Anyways, here are the coveted pictures. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. I'll also be posting the first set of images taken with the camera.

Enjoy!!



 
Thanks for your post. Very interesting. There hasn't been such an in depth effort on this forum site. What is the field of view with the viewfinder? If the G11's finder is, I believe 78%, is this much of an improvement? Does it adjust for parallex error?
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Rick,
Hooked on super zooms
 
I assume this viewfinder is equivielent to a 35mm lens on a full-frame camera. Correct? Nearly perfect for a G9 at widest point.
 
Thanks for posting a detailed review of your G11/ 35mm OV setup. I also shoot street with a G11 and would like to go the Voigtlander OV route as you have, but before I take the plunge can you tell me if your Voigtlander setup is "more" accurate than the the G11 built-in VF at the 2-3 meter position? Also, do you see more than 78% of a subject using the 35 mm VF? Happy shooting! :0)

Best Regards,
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Digart
 
I forgot to ask you the model number of the 35 mm Voigtlander VF and the name and phone number of the company you purchased it from.

Thanks,
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Digart
 
Sorry I don´t want to take your viewfinder fun away, but why don´t you just use the G11 viewfinder, which has several advantages:
  • comes at no extra cost
  • less inconspicious for street work, and less vulnerable
  • zooms with the camera lens
  • closer to the lens: less parallax
  • "only 78 %" view, so your subject is always in the picture (I don´t know why so many people see this as a negative, it is great for street shooting where you don´t habe time to focus precisely)
  • can be combined with the Quick Shot mode where you leave the screen closed and where focusing lag is as quick as with a DSLR, about 0.15 second (chip.de test)
  • the camera viewfinder has a diopter adjustment, even with my -14 glasses I can use it very well.
 
OK - I can see the value of using the G11 viewfinder without the Voigtlander; however, what would be the corresponding zoom point on the G11 to, say, 35mm?
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The virtue of the camera is not the power it has to transform the photographer into an artist, but the impulse in him to keep looking.
Brooks Atkinson, 'Once Around the Sun'
 
Not sure if I got your point:
  • with external viewfinders you will always have a fixed field of view, for example corresponding to a 35 mm, or whatever focal length of a camera lens, so when you zoom your camera lens you get lost with your viewfinder
  • with the G11 viewfinder, focal length of both lenses are automatically syncronized, so you always have the same field of view (although always less in the viewfinder, which is fine because your subject is always in, just trim a little in PP)
 
You're welcome, Mr. Dew.

The field of view with external finders is more than 100% because you can see around the projected frame lines. This allows you to anticipate movement into the frame.

The only correction for parallax is manual - that is, me compensating through experience. I've only been doing it for two days and I'm getting the hang of it. Think of it as moving to the next level in Tetris: it's harder, but the challenge makes it interesting and rewarding.

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http://focusfirst.theopenlife.com [my photo blog]
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Digart,

The field of view with external finders is more than 100% because you can see around the projected frame lines. This allows you to anticipate movement into the frame. I set the lens 2 movements from wide (still f/2.8 or you've gone too far) which is roughly equivalent to 32mm. This lets me crop, to account for any inaccuracy. It's a bit of a trick and maybe a gimmick. To me, however, it makes the camera far more interesting and pleasurable to shoot, especially with the screen faced in.

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http://focusfirst.theopenlife.com [my photo blog]
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Don't worry about raining on our viewfinder parade. My tastes are weather sealed. :)

You are right, the G11 built-in viewfinder is included, less conspicuous, less vulnerable, and may have less parallax. Sounds like it will do you well.

It also has less field of view, less clarity, generates less tactile satisfaction, and to me gives less of a sense of fun. This camera is about fun to me; I have DSLRs for business. The 35mm finder is also useful on other cameras and a treat to look through. It can also be used with quickshot, but why not set up your camera like this:

C1:
Zoomed 2 clicks (32mm?)
Auto Focus - One shot
Manual Mode
ISO 400 (adjust for ambient light)
f/2.8
1/125

C2:
Zoomed 2 clicks (32mm?)
Manual Focus - 2.5 meters, w/ safety shift
Shutter Priority
IS0 400 ISO 100-400 (adjust for ambient light)

I use C1 for general shooting, and C2 for grab shots where I don't have time or a second chance. At 2.5 meters, with an aperture of f/4-8 in most lighting conditions, there is plenty of depth of field. If I half press the shutter, then auto focus engages with safety shift. This seems to me to be just as fast as quickshot.

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http://focusfirst.theopenlife.com [my photo blog]
http://www.michaelspotts.com [My Pro site]



 
Thanks for this interesting thread.

Could you answer a few more questions...

Q1. What do you estimate the viewfinder magnification is (relative to naked eye)?

Q2. Is the bright-line frame 4:3 ratio or is it 3:2 ratio?

Q3. Roughly how much visibility is there outlying the bright-line frame (in rough linear or area terms)?
 
You're welcome.

Q1. What do you estimate the viewfinder magnification is (relative to naked eye)?

A. Hmm.. 50% or more perhaps. That sounds bad but for a wide it is not! It looks much better than the Canon 40D with lens set to 22mm (35 equiv.) and is far brighter, almost like no glass.

Q2. Is the bright-line frame 4:3 ratio or is it 3:2 ratio?

A. 3:2. I like this, since shooting in 4:3 gives me room to crop in post for parallax!

Q3. Roughly how much visibility is there outlying the bright-line frame (in rough linear or area terms)?

The viewfinder is circular. Imagine the 3:2 frame, then draw a circle on the outside that touches all four corners of the guide. It's not as much as the 28/35 finder but is still more than an SLR.

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Sliding paper under the viewfinder won't work. On Canon hotshoes there's a very small switch that gets pushed down when you insert a flash (or the viewfinder in your case) that disables the pop-up flash. You would need to figure out how to modify the viewfinder base so it doesn't activate the switch. I have Gary Fong's puffer flash diffuser that mounts to the hotshoe and does not disable the on-board flash. Here's a quick shot I took of the bottom of the diffuser, you can see how Gary went about designing it so the switch wouldn't get activated:



I think the viewfinder base is metal. That might make modification a bit difficult. And you mentioned wanting to use it with other cameras so modding might not be a good idea. There is a way to disable the switch but requires removing the hotshoe and taking out the small plunger that pushes down on the switch. It's not hard to do, probably 10 minutes with the right tools. But the camera would not recognize an external flash then.

BTW: Nice post!
Yes it does, which I find very annoying!

Not that I often use it, but I want the option to bounce it with a business card.

I thought of sliding paper between the contacts to block the circuit.

Hmm....

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