Panos of Portugal

[DezM]

Nice changes on all and I like the gradient, smooth look that you applied to the sky:



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[Cariboou]

Great picture believe me
this is what I thoght

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[DezM]

Chris: Terrific collection of panos. How satisfying it is to get home from vacation with some great panos like this.

Also, the barrel effect on the building comes from panning this from one spot as opposed to moving along a straight line w/overlaps as I've done w/my panos that you've seen before

Dez: Can you discuss your technique some more? I get the general idea but how do you determine when to move and when to remained fixed? And how far do you move?

I guess the concept is simple enough but I don't have the slightest clue about how to execute it in practice :-(

Malch, I am not an expert on panos although I've done a few. I noticed when doing a panorama of a subject that's relatively close by, if I pan from one spot , I will get the barrel distortion effect that Chris got in his first pano similar to this:



As you can see, the building should be straight:



But if I walk a straight line, parallel to my close subject, I can create a natural looking pano. What I did here was moved to my left 2 paces along the straight curb of the sidewalk and shot. I used the curb as my guideline. I made sure that I had enough overlap and the stitch came out the way it was supposed to with little or no distortion:



...........and what it looks like in comparison:



The pano experts here can chime in if they like.
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[swinglabakaisse]

Nice series !

On the fourth, It seems that the girl is holding the camera and doing a self portrait in front of the castle. That would take a realy WIDE lens ! ;-)

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[Maraya]

just beautiful work Chris. I love the pano over your head that is soooo cool. I am sure that your stunning pictures have inspired quite a few others to get out there and try too....I know I will .
Thanks for sharing.
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[malch]

But if I walk a straight line, parallel to my close subject, I can create a natural looking pano. What I did here was moved to my left 2 paces along the straight curb of the sidewalk and shot. I used the curb as my guideline. I made sure that I had enough overlap and the stitch came out the way it was supposed to with little or no distortion:

Thanks Dez, very helpful illustrations. I "get it" well enough to try some experiments of my own now.

And that's a yes on the overlap. I think most or all new pano shooters (me included) tend to underestimate the amount of overlap required for good problem-free stitching.

 

[DezM]

But if I walk a straight line, parallel to my close subject, I can create a natural looking pano. What I did here was moved to my left 2 paces along the straight curb of the sidewalk and shot. I used the curb as my guideline. I made sure that I had enough overlap and the stitch came out the way it was supposed to with little or no distortion:

Thanks Dez, very helpful illustrations. I "get it" well enough to try some experiments of my own now.

And that's a yes on the overlap. I think most or all new pano shooters (me included) tend to underestimate the amount of overlap required for good problem-free stitching.

Your welcome. I just re-read my paragraph and I should've included that after taking 2 paces to my left, I repeated this until I went past the subject.

The key is to be uniform, relatively parallel to your subject & level and have enough overlap.

But I want to add that at times, I do find that distorted look appealing as in Chris's case in photo #1.
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[Chris Walden]

I have found that walking parallel to your subject and the overlap rules don't change from one technique over the other. Your viewfinder will tell you how far you need to walk to overlap and the farther you are away from your subject will have the biggest impact on how far and how many frames. Eg. In the shots Dez just showed us and my example below a sidewalk or street gives a good straight line for walking along. However in my first example that building is maybe 1,000 feet long and I was really far back. I am estimating I would have taken 15+ landscape shots to fit that all in and walked the length of a football field.

Dez - It is also interesting to compare the level of distortion in your street shot vs my building shot. I was considerably further away from the subject than you and level of distortion shows that.

As Malcolm mentioned most do not overlap enough, myself included sometimes (hence the reason I showed the last shot! But overlapping really is a case of you can't overlap enough. The stitching software is so advanced that the more frames you have the better latitude to correct an error and quality of the pano IMO.

But if I walk a straight line, parallel to my close subject, I can create a natural looking pano. What I did here was moved to my left 2 paces along the straight curb of the sidewalk and shot. I used the curb as my guideline. I made sure that I had enough overlap and the stitch came out the way it was supposed to with little or no distortion:

Thanks Dez, very helpful illustrations. I "get it" well enough to try some experiments of my own now.

And that's a yes on the overlap. I think most or all new pano shooters (me included) tend to underestimate the amount of overlap required for good problem-free stitching.

Your welcome. I just re-read my paragraph and I should've included that after taking 2 paces to my left, I repeated this until I went past the subject.

The key is to be uniform, relatively parallel to your subject & level and have enough overlap.

But I want to add that at times, I do find that distorted look appealing as in Chris's case in photo #1.
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[Chris Walden]

Thanks like we know CP's can wreak havoc on the sky of a pano... Good news is that the sky was cloudless and a gradient the same color of the sky blended with soft light and transparency just filled in the imperfections perfectly.

Nice changes on all and I like the gradient, smooth look that you applied to the sky:



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[Chris Walden]

Thanks! Portugal was indeed a beautiful country to capture with high detailed panos. Dez has a sharp eye and I value his input!

Thanks for posting the nice panos! I had another look after the critique by Dez and will use this info in the future. What a place to practice your pano skills!

Ron

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[Chris Walden]

Yes sir I am... a little bummed about the last shot but I salvaged it and still came away with a decent pano.

Great series of photographs, you must be pretty pleased with the results
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[Chris Walden]

Yes I have... In fact I have a series that I will post in a little while on churches and stain glass windows. In that series I have a super ambitious 360 degree, HDR pano that is over 100 shots that need to be processed. I didn't include it here because I haven't had time to process it yet! ;-)

Stay tuned...

Chris,

Excellent work. Your prespective make the panos that much more compelling.

A suggestion. Have you shot a pano like this HDR stacked prior to stitching?

The outdoor ones, especially the first have some very hot and cold spots that could tighten up a bit that way.

Great job...

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[Chris Walden]

Thank you I believe you...

Great picture believe me
this is what I thoght

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[Chris Walden]

Jocelyn thanks... when I went back and took a second look I see what you are saying with the position of her arm. Haha yeah that would be ultra, ultra wide!

Nice series !

On the fourth, It seems that the girl is holding the camera and doing a self portrait in front of the castle. That would take a realy WIDE lens ! ;-)

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[Chris Walden]

Barb thanks as always. That shot is one of my favorites even though it didn't come out exactly as planned. It opened my creativity to panos outside the normal horizontal pan type of shot.

just beautiful work Chris. I love the pano over your head that is soooo cool. I am sure that your stunning pictures have inspired quite a few others to get out there and try too....I know I will .
Thanks for sharing.
Barb
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[DezM]

I have found that walking parallel to your subject and the overlap rules don't change from one technique over the other. Your viewfinder will tell you how far you need to walk to overlap and the farther you are away from your subject will have the biggest impact on how far and how many frames. Eg. In the shots Dez just showed us and my example below a sidewalk or street gives a good straight line for walking along. However in my first example that building is maybe 1,000 feet long and I was really far back. I am estimating I would have taken 15+ landscape shots to fit that all in and walked the length of a football field.

Interesting, so why the distortion that? Did you tilt the camera up while panning?

Dez - It is also interesting to compare the level of distortion in your street shot vs my building shot. I was considerably further away from the subject than you and level of distortion shows that.

I was probably 40 to 50 away from that building. You were considerably further away from your subject. But the distortion is similar.

As Malcolm mentioned most do not overlap enough, myself included sometimes (hence the reason I showed the last shot! But overlapping really is a case of you can't overlap enough. The stitching software is so advanced that the more frames you have the better latitude to correct an error and quality of the pano IMO.

That's correct and I learned the hard way when I first started doing them. The more overlaps, the more 'level' frames and the more control points the stitching software will use for a proper stitch.

BTW, love that mural pano! Well done.
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[akjos]

NIce photos! As you know i preyy much gave up on panoramas, too much hassle for me.... But your stitching is flawless.

The only think I'd mention is that most of the shots look little too contrasty with no shadow detail. ( deep blacks look too black pretty much) I think Dynamic range could be easily improved without loosing the conrasty "pop" you're looking for.
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[Chris Walden]

I have found that walking parallel to your subject and the overlap rules don't change from one technique over the other. Your viewfinder will tell you how far you need to walk to overlap and the farther you are away from your subject will have the biggest impact on how far and how many frames. Eg. In the shots Dez just showed us and my example below a sidewalk or street gives a good straight line for walking along. However in my first example that building is maybe 1,000 feet long and I was really far back. I am estimating I would have taken 15+ landscape shots to fit that all in and walked the length of a football field.

Interesting, so why the distortion that? Did you tilt the camera up while panning?

Sorry wasn't very clear was just trying to say that it appears the closer your are to the subject the greater distortion and warp effect. The further away from the subject the distortion is still present just not as great.

If I would have taken this shot walking in a straight line it would have been a larger undertaking since this courtyard area was enormous and that building must have been 1,000 feet long. Haha

Dez - It is also interesting to compare the level of distortion in your street shot vs my building shot. I was considerably further away from the subject than you and level of distortion shows that.

I was probably 40 to 50 away from that building. You were considerably further away from your subject. But the distortion is similar.

Exactly the distortion is similar but it looks like it is more pronounced in your shot since you were closer. In fact look at my last shot as a good example... all the subjects that were close are much more distorted than the subjects further away.

As Malcolm mentioned most do not overlap enough, myself included sometimes (hence the reason I showed the last shot! But overlapping really is a case of you can't overlap enough. The stitching software is so advanced that the more frames you have the better latitude to correct an error and quality of the pano IMO.

That's correct and I learned the hard way when I first started doing them. The more overlaps, the more 'level' frames and the more control points the stitching software will use for a proper stitch.

BTW, love that mural pano! Well done.

Thanks!

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[Chris Walden]

Thank you most of the stitching is flawless but that is up to the software. The last shot required to much PP work which tells me next time I need to take more care in shooting the shot. Haha

Great point I agree lots of the shadow detail is lost and I need to protect the shadows more in post.

NIce photos! As you know i preyy much gave up on panoramas, too much hassle for me.... But your stitching is flawless.

The only think I'd mention is that most of the shots look little too contrasty with no shadow detail. ( deep blacks look too black pretty much) I think Dynamic range could be easily improved without loosing the conrasty "pop" you're looking for.
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