Has Nikon Forgotten They're Not a Camcorder Company?

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I have never shot with anything more than a D200, I'm not a professional, I'm merely a hobbyist, so forgive me if I'm posting in the wrong forum. I am NOT trolling either (although I'm sure some will think I am.) I'm simply echoing an opinion I've had since the D90--that is, SLRs are for pictures ONLY, period. Nikon tried making camcorders once, and failed. They make great PHOTOGRAPHY cameras.

SLRs throughout their entire history have had a tradition of still imaging excellence because that was ALL they did. This tradition should be upheld, to heck with this form of "progress." Barely 1½ years ago if you were an aspiring SLR owner but whined that SLRs didn't have a movie mode like your Coolpix, you'd been laughed out of town. Now since the D90, it's the reverse? Why?

If I wanted a YouTube gimmick, I'd pull my Sony Cybershot out of its case. Heck I own the D5000 and refuse to use its YouTube mode as a matter of principle, because it's an SLR and not a camcorder. This is just insane.

And no, I am NOT a "horse and buggy" proponent, I love innovation, in fact I own a Blackberry Curve and love all the functions that are combined into 1 with it. However SLRs have never been and never should be Blackberry-type products. To me they've always been sort of like an adding machine--they do nothing at all whatsoever but add-subtract-multiply-divide and print this out on roller paper (or, in this case, take photographs), but for that one particular function there's nothing else close to it. They're like the great Mexican restaurant down the road that does NOT also sell meat/potatoes or Italian etc, but Mexican and NOTHING ELSE--and they do it better than anyone else specifically because of that very dedication to ONE function alone.

In this regard, it's one thing to innovate and another thing altogether to lose focus of who you are. Nikon's slogan for years was "We Take the World's Greatest PICTURES" (emphasis added). Yes that's right Nikon, the world's greatest PICTURES, not YouTube video clips.

What is this? Is there nothing sacred anymore?

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I have never shot with anything more than a D200, I'm not a professional, I'm merely a hobbyist, so forgive me if I'm posting in the wrong forum. I am NOT trolling either (although I'm sure some will think I am.) I'm simply echoing an opinion I've had since the D90--that is, SLRs are for pictures ONLY, period. Nikon tried making camcorders once, and failed. They make great PHOTOGRAPHY cameras.

SLRs throughout their entire history have had a tradition of still imaging excellence because that was ALL they did. This tradition should be upheld, to heck with this form of "progress." Barely 1½ years ago if you were an aspiring SLR owner but whined that SLRs didn't have a movie mode like your Coolpix, you'd been laughed out of town. Now since the D90, it's the reverse? Why?

If I wanted a YouTube gimmick, I'd pull my Sony Cybershot out of its case. Heck I own the D5000 and refuse to use its YouTube mode as a matter of principle, because it's an SLR and not a camcorder. This is just insane.

And no, I am NOT a "horse and buggy" proponent, I love innovation, in fact I own a Blackberry Curve and love all the functions that are combined into 1 with it. However SLRs have never been and never should be Blackberry-type products. To me they've always been sort of like an adding machine--they do nothing at all whatsoever but add-subtract-multiply-divide and print this out on roller paper (or, in this case, take photographs), but for that one particular function there's nothing else close to it. They're like the great Mexican restaurant down the road that does NOT also sell meat/potatoes or Italian etc, but Mexican and NOTHING ELSE--and they do it better than anyone else specifically because of that very dedication to ONE function alone.

In this regard, it's one thing to innovate and another thing altogether to lose focus of who you are. Nikon's slogan for years was "We Take the World's Greatest PICTURES" (emphasis added). Yes that's right Nikon, the world's greatest PICTURES, not YouTube video clips.

What is this? Is there nothing sacred anymore?

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As long as it doesn't compromise the still shooting capability of the camera, and it doesn't significantly drive up the price, who cares? Just never turn it on.
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That's peculiar... I was rather hoping that the D3s would have a built in GSM port so I could finally nix my cell phone and start making calls with my camera! That 5 megapixel camera built into my phone just isn't cutting it anymore.

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Video on DSLRs has been used for more than just "YouTube". Have you actually seen what can be done with them?

Also, its hard to see how taking stills is that much different than taking a series of stills. Ever think about why they call it a motion "picture"? Cinema began with photographers taking a series of photos to capture motion. How is that so removed from the function of a picture taking device such as a DSLR?
 
I have trouble appreciating the "convergence" of still and video photography as well. To me they seem like totally different media. If I was interested in shooting video I would use different techniques, seek different subject matter, use different lighting, and present my work much, much differently than still photos. For that reason I don't really look to my SLR for video.

What am I supposed to do with video on an SLR? The best uses I have seen are commercial work done by skilled and well-financed professional videographers, who seem like they could easily afford dedicated cinematic gear. I'm not sure what I would do with video considering that I don't have boom mikes, banks of LitePanels, makeup specialists, video processing software, and who knows what other gear I would need. And then there's the issue of how to present video, do you just upload to YouTube for the world to see and comment on?

I think I understand that still photography is about the perfect moment that captures the essence of one point in time. I guess I just don't understand what video is.
 
This is so hilariously predictable.

Video is going to be standard. No one wants a camera without videos, ESPECIALLY pros, who need to provide video footage to news organizations along with their photos.

Real photographers shoot video. Useless unprofessional photographers don't.

Adapt or die.

Otherwise, how is do you like your monorail 8x10 view camera?
 
But surely one would wonder, if the photographers shoot photos, and dedicated pro shooters especially, then why would anyone need so and so video in their camera. Especially when it is obviously not a free and give away feature. Why raise prise for what it seems most (most?) do not need.

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Nikon is indeed very stupid & stubborn. They should listen to the clients.

They should do what they do best ONLY. No Videos. In fact, No camera, just lenses.

Nikon's decision to start to make camera body back in 1940s was another failure like this stupid built-in video feature thing.

All the lousy camera bodies like F, F4, F5, F6, D1, D3 & D3x proved that they should have sticked to manufacturing lenses only.

They really shouldn't do that. No videos, Nikon! In fact, No Camera Bodies!

You hear me??? I warm you! Else, i'm going to leave you & join Canon. I'm serious, ok???
I have never shot with anything more than a D200, I'm not a professional, I'm merely a hobbyist, so forgive me if I'm posting in the wrong forum. I am NOT trolling either (although I'm sure some will think I am.) I'm simply echoing an opinion I've had since the D90--that is, SLRs are for pictures ONLY, period. Nikon tried making camcorders once, and failed. They make great PHOTOGRAPHY cameras.

SLRs throughout their entire history have had a tradition of still imaging excellence because that was ALL they did. This tradition should be upheld, to heck with this form of "progress." Barely 1½ years ago if you were an aspiring SLR owner but whined that SLRs didn't have a movie mode like your Coolpix, you'd been laughed out of town. Now since the D90, it's the reverse? Why?

If I wanted a YouTube gimmick, I'd pull my Sony Cybershot out of its case. Heck I own the D5000 and refuse to use its YouTube mode as a matter of principle, because it's an SLR and not a camcorder. This is just insane.

And no, I am NOT a "horse and buggy" proponent, I love innovation, in fact I own a Blackberry Curve and love all the functions that are combined into 1 with it. However SLRs have never been and never should be Blackberry-type products. To me they've always been sort of like an adding machine--they do nothing at all whatsoever but add-subtract-multiply-divide and print this out on roller paper (or, in this case, take photographs), but for that one particular function there's nothing else close to it. They're like the great Mexican restaurant down the road that does NOT also sell meat/potatoes or Italian etc, but Mexican and NOTHING ELSE--and they do it better than anyone else specifically because of that very dedication to ONE function alone.

In this regard, it's one thing to innovate and another thing altogether to lose focus of who you are. Nikon's slogan for years was "We Take the World's Greatest PICTURES" (emphasis added). Yes that's right Nikon, the world's greatest PICTURES, not YouTube video clips.

What is this? Is there nothing sacred anymore?

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I'm really surprised how people can complain about the advancement in technology, the D3s is no more expensive then the D2X was at introduction and you not only get a much better camera but an amazing HD video camera as well. As a wildlife photographer I am really excited about the combination of picture and video and for me it opens a huge new world, without having to carry another piece of gear. How many people still carry a palm pilot as well as a cell phone, turn it off if you don't like it but you are missing out on an incredible innovation.
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I love it... Nikon please do the D700 next. I see it as another way to make money without a huge investment in video gear.
This is so hilariously predictable.

Video is going to be standard. No one wants a camera without videos, ESPECIALLY pros, who need to provide video footage to news organizations along with their photos.

Real photographers shoot video. Useless unprofessional photographers don't.

Adapt or die.

Otherwise, how is do you like your monorail 8x10 view camera?
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All the magazines & newspapers that photographers shoot for, well, guess what? They now all have WEB sites. And one those website, the editors are all demanding video to go along with the photos.

It is not enough to send still images to news sites anymore.

Photo journalism is changing because of the internet. Not only is printed media dying, but the multimedia Internet is growing. THAT is photo journalism.

Nikon knows what they are doing.

Some of the useless "pro" photographers that claim they don't need video are going to get wiped out, as all the editors hire photographers that DO record video.
I love it... Nikon please do the D700 next. I see it as another way to make money without a huge investment in video gear.
This is so hilariously predictable.

Video is going to be standard. No one wants a camera without videos, ESPECIALLY pros, who need to provide video footage to news organizations along with their photos.

Real photographers shoot video. Useless unprofessional photographers don't.

Adapt or die.

Otherwise, how is do you like your monorail 8x10 view camera?
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Some of my stuff here...
http://www.modelmayhem.com/11581
 
As long as it doesn't compromise the still shooting capability of the camera, and it doesn't significantly drive up the price, who cares? Just never turn it on.
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I'll go with Thom Hogan's attitude on this and agree with him, Mfrs are ignoring the demands from their stills user base to fix stills DSLR user experience issues that have been around for a while.
 
"In this regard, it's one thing to innovate and another thing altogether to lose focus of who you are. Nikon's slogan for years was "We Take the World's Greatest PICTURES" (emphasis added). Yes that's right Nikon, the world's greatest PICTURES, not YouTube video clips."

So tell me, what's changed? It will now take even better pictures and offers video if needed. Remember who teh camera is aimed at, and then think again.

Tony
 
But surely one would wonder, if the photographers shoot photos, and dedicated pro shooters especially, then why would anyone need so and so video in their camera. Especially when it is obviously not a free and give away feature. Why raise prise for what it seems most (most?) do not need.
The price of the D3 when it was introduced was $4999. The D3s is $5200, right? Is that extra $200 on a camera released two years later eating at you?

Personally, I'm all for video in DSLRs, but we're still not at a point where a RAW capture system is available in a DSLR and that's annoying. I mean, motion JPEG is at least less unpredictable than the H.264 stuff that consumer cameras are all using, but it's still no replacement for Cineform RAW.
 
The challenge facing Nikon reflects the changes taking place in their target photojurnalism market, one which they have been successfull in taking major market share from Canon. There will come a time soon when photojournalists will be obliged to offer video as more printed publications go digital. Nikon have ensured that these pros will not migrate back to Canon any time soon. In short, Nikon had no real choice in whether to include or exclude video. It's that simple.

However, it also seems to me that Nikon's primary concern remains image quality and functional perfection for its target photojournalism market. And there is ample evidence of that in this new release.

Tony
 
Didn't I read this post a year ago? I distinctly remember the restaurant analogy.

Trouble is, it's even more irrelevant now than it was then. I can't wait to see the D3s videos done by the professionals and talented amateurs!

Much as I love the look of video on the D90, it's not quite there yet. I downsized my D90 to a D40 so I can save for the D90s (1080p, auto-focus, variable shutter speed, etc, etc).

Woohoo! Bring on convergence, baby!

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