Where is the 'Pentax is doomed, a new Leica'thread??

  • Mantra #1 "FF bodies are too Expensive and will stay that way for ever and ever > and ever because the sensor is manufactured in a special magical kind way that > prevents yields (whatever they might be) ever hitting levels suitable for mass > production" ....
Sony A850 = Launch MRSP $2000
Yes, that is expensive.

You can get an APS-C with better performance, more features, higher build quality and in a smaller package for less.
Sure. And an Optio W60 costs even less.
No one has said that the performance with old lenses would be horrible,
Oh, plenty of people have said things like that. And I think you know that.
just that "digital ready"-lenses offers better performance.
Actually, the often-spread nonsense is that "APS-C" lenses on "APS-C" are better than film lenses on FF and that you need superexpensive modern glass on FF to equal that.
And yes, the 24x36 lenses are more expensive. Just compare the APS-C 16-50 f/2.8 lenses with 24x36 24-70 f/2.8 from original manufacturers.
When will we please stop to compare lenses that offer very different DOF control as if they were equivalent.

The APS-C 16-50/2.8 is equivalent to a 24-75/4 FOUR! in FOV and DOF. Guess which is more expensive.
And Sigma 18-50 f/2.8 is clearly less expensive than their 28-70 f/2.8 ever was.
When will we please stop to compare lenses that offer very different DOF control as if they were equivalent.
  • Mantra #3 "FF bodies are enormously huge and heavy [...]
The statement was about 24x36 DSLR's.
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Leica M9: 139 x 80 x 37 mm, 589 g
The Leica M9 is not a standard 24x36 DSLR with mirrorbox and 100% optical viewfinder with phase detect AF in the optical prism. It also does not have the space consuming in-body sensor shift stabilisation system.
No one said RF and SLR are the same. But the comparison shows that the M9 fits into the same space as a film M. Whether or not it is a RF or a dSLR is not really relevant: For both systems the space between mount and sensor/film is taboo during operation, no matter if film or digital.
You forget that the Leica is a rangefinder system.
You compare apples and oranges. That is quite unserious to do.
1. Comparing apples and oranges is easily possible and can be very illustrative.
2. he compared dRF to aRF and dSLR to aSLR.
The Leica M9 is not a DSLR, it is a digital rangefinder.
Look at Sony, Canon and Nikon - none of them has made a compact 24x36 DSLR,
Yet!

At the moment, FF is just breaking into "consumer level". Pro SLRs need to be big - that's what the marketing offices believe.
And, you forget something here.
Oh, just a tiny little thing. Nothing serious, nothing to be bother with.
If you have bucket loads of money that is.
The Leica M9 is expensive , it is indeed very expensive.
It is a Leica, what did you expect?!

And if you compare it to other high-res FF systems, you will see that it is smaller, lighter, quieter and so has unique selling points.

Think of Mr. Reichmann what you will, but he thinks the M9 is quite a good price:
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/m9-first.shtml

Also, as PP said, the price myth is already being tackled by the A850. The M9 is here to tackle two other myths: Size and angle of incidence.

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I don't understand this analysis... there are many 'niches' and because Canon choses to own one particular 'niche' (along with owning much of the 'general' consumer DSLR market) it doesn't mean that people interested in the 7D will automatically look at Pentax as an alternative just because Pentax happen to often be given the title 'niche player' ... I think that's what you're saying above, isn't it? Or am I taking your comments too literally and it's actually a joke?
You know me by now...
But there is often some truth in jokes...
The Canon 7D is a large and heavy camera offering state-of-the-art pixel resolution, AF performance, ISO performance (for resolution) and a new VF display. It's seemingly targeted mainly at Sports and Wildlife photographers who want to squeeze the very last bit of resolution out of their expensive, long telephoto lenses
True, but the "large and heavy"part may cause the "who needs a fullframe anyway" crowd to look around
Pentax has neither the lens range, nor the camera bodies, nor the specific experience to compete with Canon in that particular market sector. The K-7 is instead a compact, general purpose camera more suited to 'enthusiasts' and photo-journalists/street photographers. I would be very surprised to see the two cameras ever compared head-to-head
See, that's what will be happening... Photojournalists, that may be a new crowd for Pentax...
Actually the M9 and leica M-lens system probably has far more appeal to those considering a K-7+limited lenses than the Canon 7D does, and visa-versa!
Ofcourse, unless someone agressively markets K-mount to Canon adapters..

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Wow... a two-part response: I feel humbled! (not by the content mind you, just the effort on your part)
Stiil upset that I got something that you didn't. Now we see the real reasons behind it. Get over it.
LOL, I hardly think I'd qualify as 'Pentaxian of the Year' or indeed for any kind of 'award' from Pentax (thankfully!)... that's pretty funny

I'm quite capable of buying my own toys, however I do personally think Pentax should really have given the stuff to the guy that actually thought-up the term 'LBA' - which seemingly wasn't you!
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=27674305

Perhaps Pentax have now realised their mistake and that's why there have not been any subsequent, similar awards?

Look on the bright side... you could change your signature to "Undefeated Pentaxian of the Year" or even "Undefeated (but controversial) Pentaxian of the Year" ;-)
In fact, your whole initial argument is made up of silly lines like, "horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible vignetting and corner softness" statements that nobody ever made.
That's even funnier :-D

Thanks, Lance, you brightened my day. The fact you didn't mean to makes it even better
People will still be purchasing APS C camera 10 to 1 over FF due to cost and that won't change until the cost is reduced to about where the K-7 is at the moment or a tad higher, maybe US$1,500.
A second-hand 5Dmk1 is already well below this level. $1500 means a reduction of 25% on the MSRP (not street price) of the Sony A850 - if your hypothesis is right then we're kind of looking at the short-term future , aren't we?

PS. Please feel free to reply all you want... I'm off for the weekend so you can invent anything you want - I won't be able to respond
 

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