GF-1

First think I thought, when I saw the specs... :D

You are right, Mr. Wiseleo. On the micro4/3, I assume ISO800 will be usable and ISO1600 will still be usable too.

The 40mm lens (aka 20mm x 2) is a perfect streetphotog. lens (as a compromise between the 35mm and a 50mm lens). Perfect streetphotog. combo, indeed.

I am curious, if another will come out later (somethink like a 90mm-equivalent lens ---> 45mm for portraits).

This camera with a 20mm, 45mm and a 12mm lens is everythink I need :D
Looks like a great street photography camera. :)
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Martin Mintal
Slovak Republic
 
You'right to mention Leica's awaited product upgrade. This GF-1 is obviously a nice camera, but it's still not for me. Same niche as Olympus EP-1. Both great cameras, certainly, but the key element is that they are "sexy" or "exciting", to use words found in this thread. These cameras target the photographer's fethishistic instinct: he can't resist that "different" look & feel, lot of control in a relatively small package. That "Leica" distinctive philosophy.

I like these cameras. But I won't buy them. I'm pretty loyal to my equipment. It takes time to master a camera, you have to make it your everyday's companion. I'm sometimes surprised to see people ready to dump their 1 year old camera, just because there's a new toy on the market offering a marginal gain on a specific labo test. My motto is: you shouldn't consider buying a new camera before having really proved to use 100% of the possibilities of the old one. The "user's skill level" margin is far wider (and visible) than any tech/labo test. Then, you should choose the one you feel the most comfortable with. Size, weight, even more ergonomy. And features, of course.

My next purchase is the Canon G11, not because it would be "sexier" or "exciting", just because it is exactly designed for my expectations, offers a lot of versatility, and is really complementary to the high end DSLR used in my work. Small size sensor ? Well, maybe. But if I need THAT level of definition, I'll use a DSLR anyway. No HD video ? Don't care. I even like that minimalism. But the G11 offers an optimal ergonomy (controls, menus, shape...), a rotating screen that proved to be useful in my old G3.

And, most important point, an optical viewfinder. You can question the quality of this viewfinder, but at least, it's there, and that's something I want in any camera I would use for years, even a compact. This is how I like to shoot: my eyes looking directly to the world itself, and not to a LCD device, so performant it could be. The most sophisticated element in a camera is YOUR EYE, and your curiosity for what's happening around you. I will nevert sacrify the viewfinder for the sake of interchangeable lenses (again, would use DSLR instead). The price tag of such a system is not justified by the benefits... The only features I will miss on the G11 is a true (fixed, not interchangeable) lens/focus/zoom control, instead of the electrical ones. It would be less compact. But that would really be "a camera reduced to the best".
 
I can not understand why they left out the grip? If Panasonic unveils very very slim lens, then it makes sense. Otherwise not.

It will be very hard to use with any lens except kit lens and 20mm lens.

GF1 + lens is about the same thickness as G1lens. Only difference is due to articulated screen and viewfinder.
 
I was so waiting for this camera to arrive...

I had a hunch it was in the pipeline.

But i'm devastated that there's no flip out lcd.

it's what i've been waiting for - i'm speechless i can't believe they've f-cked i up...

to you it might not be a big deal, but the way i shoot, having a small 'rangefinder style' camera and a flip out lcd for waist level shooting is something i've been dreaming of for years (since about 2004). i'm gutted : (
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Stan-o-Stan
 
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This new GF1 looks a bit good, hey?

has it got an intervalometer on it / in it?
yes, a timer to shoot time-lapse pics...

I still need a camera that I can change lenses on, shoot HD vid on, AND shoot timed pics.... anyone know, cos I couldn't see it in the specs?
 
There's no question that this is going to be a wonderful camera for some folks and clearly shows Panasonic is a very serious camera maker.

The advantages of the larger sensor are of course quite obvious but I think some things need to be put in perspective since there already are some reasonably small lightweight better featured dslr's out there for less money.
I find some compromises to be:

1.....The GF-1 is not so small especially with a lens attached and with the optional EVF attached it significantly increases the bulk / size even more.

2.....The EVF is a big compromise vs an OVF and regardless it isn't going to be a cheap accessory and will have to be carried separately or attached.
3.....With the elec VF in place an external flash canot be used.
4.....No grip.
5.....No built in optical VF
 
Canon won't lose any sleep worrying about lost sales to GF-1. It's a niche camera that will appeal to a few pros and well-healed amateurs.
 
All very good points below ! Personally I can live with the limitations LX3 at $400 (still not cheap) but a GF-1 at $899 with no OVF and yet with many limitations vs a full featured reasonably small lightweight dslr , both of which will have to be carried on a neckstrap makes me wonder about the benefits or worth of buying into a new system.
I'm sure that it'll prove to be great camera, BUT: the size is even bigger then LX3 making it hardly convenient "take everywhere " camera.

I have LX3 for about 3 weeks and for MY needs it's somewhere right inbetween. Not as good image quality as my dslr, and not as pocketable to take really almost everywhere ,like for example canon powerhots/elphs series.
if I really plan on some serious shooting, there is no substitute for good dslr with couple lenses.
I'd only apeal to me if I had to have only one camera or camera system, as a secondary camera I think it's again "jack of all trades, master of none"...
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I would love to have this camera for all the obvious reasons in quality images, lens and portability but IMHO, this is insanely priced at $900 ti be a second camera for DSLR owners.

I was expecting $500 for something like this - above an ordinary point and shoot but below the cost of a DSLR. It's priced to be a DSLR replacement so it is only addressing a third of the market they described this camera as targeting.
 
... as far as you are happy with the fixed focal length pancake lens everything may be OK, but as soon as you need zoom lenses with a reasonable zoom range or faster or longer lenses you'll get a bulky lens with a too small grip.

There are a lot of reasons why I like the D90, but before I bought it I tried for two month the small D60 with a 70-300VR.

From my experience you need a bulky grip to hold a bulky lens. The grip of the D90 is more ergonomical.

With the D60 the full weight of the lens weighted on my thumb. With the D90 I can use the thenar of my hand combined with different fingers to have other fingers free to handle the controls.

The GF1 really looks nice (like a LX3). But other than the LX3 it will look very ridiculous (with also ergonomical reasons) with bulkier lenses.

Olaf
 
...see one in the flesh. How does it handle, for example? Pre-reviewers seem quite enthusiastic, but I'd want to see for myself

see serious reviews of IQ. Assuming the IQ is similar to the G1 (it's the same sensor), then there could be inferior high ISO performance (compared to similarly priced kits such as Canon 500D), and there could be more limited dynamic range.

Finally, the fact is that, though the price is not too obscene in the U.S., it is quite obscene in Switzerland where I live: a Nikon D90 with 18-105 stabilised lens would be just 100 dollars more than the GF1 with basic 14-45 kit lens, and a D90 with basic kit lens would be cheaper. Sure the D90 is bigger and heavier, but it also delivers better IQ, no contest.
 
1.....The GF-1 is not so small especially with a lens attached and with the optional EVF attached it significantly increases the bulk / size even more.
The main point is that it can be small if you want it to be, thanks for being modular in that way.
 
When you read this thread you sense that...
  • The GF1 is too big
  • The GF1 needs a flip screen, making it bigger
  • The GF1 needs a grip, making it even bigger
  • The GF1 is too expensive
  • The GF1 should have had an OVF, making it more expensive
  • The Leica version will be better, and much more expensive
  • The price is obscene, in Switzerland
  • The GF1 replaces the LX3
  • The GF1 doesn't replace the LX3
  • The GF1 replaces a DSLR
  • The GF1 doesn't replace a DSLR
  • The GF1 is the smallest interchangable lens camera made
  • The GF1 isn't small enough
  • If you use the EVF, you can't use a flash
This camera is DEFINITELY a niche product.
It isn't supposed to be all things to all people.

If you want that, then the Canon G11 is a better choice.

But I suspect the market is evolving into a collection of lots of niches, rather than a few highly versatile cameras that do everything "pretty good" but excell at nothing.

We now have entirely new product categories, like "waterproff shockproof compacts, travel zooms, and now high image quality compacts."

Panasonic doesn't need to make one camera for everyone.
Which is why they have around 40 cameras in their lineup.
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Marty
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Panasonic FZ30, LX2, TZ5
Olympus E-510, Zuiko 14-42mm, 40-150mm, 70-300mm, Hexanon 40mm, 50mm

 
Viewfinders are largely a heritage of the past, film couldn't be exposed so the only way to frame was to have a viewfinder and a mirror.

In the digital age, this is not necessary, it is even obsolete.

Sure, early EVF's, and early LCD's, had poor behaviour (sunlight, low light), insufficient refresh rates - but this is largely behind us now.

Maybe in the future the whole DSLR thing will have become niche, and all people but pros and very keen enthusiasts, will wonder why people were ok to carry anywhere between three pounds (for a "light" dlsr w lens) and ten pounds or more.

Clearly the future lies not in having to carry ever more weight to obtain the result. Think tape recorders, Sony walkman, ipod.

The GF-1 may not be perfect (I'll wait until I've played with one), and it may be obscenely priced in Switzerland (but might be more reasonably priced on on-line sites), but it might well be the first representative of what cameras will be like in the future.
 

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