Which umbrella or soft box and what is best for my speedlights

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Would appreciate recommendations. I am using a D3 and want better than bounce and have multiple speed lights. I think a softbox would give better results for lighting my family shots, or an umbrella? And what size for group or portrait. Any brand is better than another and which mount/ring is practical. Thanks in advance.....
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nicole
 
In my opinion, one of the more important considerations when buying either one is the size of the room you find yourself shooting in most often.

Umbrellas will scatter light a little more than a softbox will, especially if you're shooting thru and not reflecting. The main result of this is that using umbrellas in a smaller space will add more fill to your ratios. In other words, they will light the room a bit. When shooting something decent sized, this can be a great help if the room is white or something close. Not so helpful if the walls are blue or green or red, etc. or your subject requires a more focused light source.

Conversely, in a large room, hall or studio, the walls are farther away, so they won't come into play as a secondary light source. The umbrella's light may not affect the fill as much, and maybe not at all, which would make it function more like a softbox.

I think for me one of the biggest advantages of a softbox is you get to pick the exact size and shape you want. Octa for key or fill, round for background vignettes and gridded spots, long rectangles for full body lighting, or perhaps really small squarish ones for close, tight portraits. The main downside is loss of power. That second diffuser is really important inside a softbox, but it just slurps the power out of the batteries of a speedlite. Unfortunately, no device is exempt from compromise.

Whether you choose an umbrella or a softbox, the quality of the light is so much softer and more pleasing than direct flash you'll be happy with either one.

Good luck.
 
Thanks for the information, I am ordering and waiting for the Lastolite 24" Exybox and also Photek Softliter 60". I think both will do different. Though I am concerned the Photek will not work with line of sight of the speedlights.
In my opinion, one of the more important considerations when buying either one is the size of the room you find yourself shooting in most often.

Umbrellas will scatter light a little more than a softbox will, especially if you're shooting thru and not reflecting. The main result of this is that using umbrellas in a smaller space will add more fill to your ratios. In other words, they will light the room a bit. When shooting something decent sized, this can be a great help if the room is white or something close. Not so helpful if the walls are blue or green or red, etc. or your subject requires a more focused light source.

Conversely, in a large room, hall or studio, the walls are farther away, so they won't come into play as a secondary light source. The umbrella's light may not affect the fill as much, and maybe not at all, which would make it function more like a softbox.

I think for me one of the biggest advantages of a softbox is you get to pick the exact size and shape you want. Octa for key or fill, round for background vignettes and gridded spots, long rectangles for full body lighting, or perhaps really small squarish ones for close, tight portraits. The main downside is loss of power. That second diffuser is really important inside a softbox, but it just slurps the power out of the batteries of a speedlite. Unfortunately, no device is exempt from compromise.

Whether you choose an umbrella or a softbox, the quality of the light is so much softer and more pleasing than direct flash you'll be happy with either one.

Good luck.
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nicole
 
... the light from an umbrella is different fromthe light from a sofftbox.

And the llght from silver umbrellas is different from the light from white umbrellas.

And sometimes the light from a silver softbox differs from a white softbox differs from a golden softbox.

Oh, and I think size matters. the bigger the softbox, the softer the light. Same with umbrellas.

And distance matters.

The farther the softbox, or the umbrella, the sharper thelight, but also the less the falloff fromfront to back.

Combine softness and falloff desired with size and distance, and you can either organize your subject to be lit the way you want, or organize your lights to light the subject, in whatever manner it is organized, in a manner you like.

Multiple umbrellas can be placed fairly easily so they overlap smoothly, to light a big area. The miracle of feathering.

And it is a lot harder to arrange multiple softboxes to overlap evenly.

That said, softboxes drop off faster, and that can be your goal.

So... hard as it may be for someone who buys expensive cameras to comprehend, the key to lighting groups is not to be found by askinga question lioke this one.

It's to be found by deciding on the lighting, and then getting the equipment.

When in doubt: yeah, the Photek and the Easy-box or whatever it is called are not bad starts.

I use Photek umbrellas, mostly, five feet and three feet, and a 2x3 foot Multidome that I alsomost always use with the white inserts -- but with real flash units.

For Canon flash -- sort of like your Nikon flash, I use a two foot Photoflex umbrella on a light stand, by itself, or with a Fong Lightsphere.

And I'm thinking of buying both the Sftlighter and the Easybox, so you are ahead of me.

LINE OF SIGHT; if it does not work easily, seee about taping some foil to the back of the box, reflectinglight toward the flash units sensor.

BAK
 
We use 45" white umbrellas (not sure of the brand) - shooting through for all of our formal group shots in our wedding business. We use Nikon speedlights triggered by a speedlight on camera that also contributes to center fill.

Here are several images with two umbrellas - one to each side of me - and center fill from on-camera flash controlling the two remotes: (yes - the first and last images were in the same church)







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http://www.almariphoto.net

 
Nice. I guess I am going to have to experiment.....
We use 45" white umbrellas (not sure of the brand) - shooting through for all of our formal group shots in our wedding business. We use Nikon speedlights triggered by a speedlight on camera that also contributes to center fill.

Here are several images with two umbrellas - one to each side of me - and center fill from on-camera flash controlling the two remotes: (yes - the first and last images were in the same church)







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http://www.almariphoto.net

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nicole
 
Thanks. Note, the Softlighter II I have found, cannot align properly with my speedlight through its sock. If it did, then I think it would not work right with the line of sight master (SB900). Its a nice product but the speedlight in the sock is not for me.
... the light from an umbrella is different fromthe light from a sofftbox.

And the llght from silver umbrellas is different from the light from white umbrellas.

And sometimes the light from a silver softbox differs from a white softbox differs from a golden softbox.

Oh, and I think size matters. the bigger the softbox, the softer the light. Same with umbrellas.

And distance matters.

The farther the softbox, or the umbrella, the sharper thelight, but also the less the falloff fromfront to back.

Combine softness and falloff desired with size and distance, and you can either organize your subject to be lit the way you want, or organize your lights to light the subject, in whatever manner it is organized, in a manner you like.

Multiple umbrellas can be placed fairly easily so they overlap smoothly, to light a big area. The miracle of feathering.

And it is a lot harder to arrange multiple softboxes to overlap evenly.

That said, softboxes drop off faster, and that can be your goal.

So... hard as it may be for someone who buys expensive cameras to comprehend, the key to lighting groups is not to be found by askinga question lioke this one.

It's to be found by deciding on the lighting, and then getting the equipment.

When in doubt: yeah, the Photek and the Easy-box or whatever it is called are not bad starts.

I use Photek umbrellas, mostly, five feet and three feet, and a 2x3 foot Multidome that I alsomost always use with the white inserts -- but with real flash units.

For Canon flash -- sort of like your Nikon flash, I use a two foot Photoflex umbrella on a light stand, by itself, or with a Fong Lightsphere.

And I'm thinking of buying both the Sftlighter and the Easybox, so you are ahead of me.

LINE OF SIGHT; if it does not work easily, seee about taping some foil to the back of the box, reflectinglight toward the flash units sensor.

BAK
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nicole
 
With a soft box size matters. For full length shots of a person a 2x4 or larger is recommended. A 4x6 would provide the softest light at distances of 6 feet or less ( the sum of the sides) and at greater distances becomes an increasingly hard light. Soft boxes are great for controlling the fall off of the light and feathering but a 30" umbrella will cover a much larger picture area than a 30" softbox, cost 1/10 as much and be 4x faster to set up.

Shoot through umbrellas diffuse the light nicely which with family pictures is usually what people want. Bouncing light from your small strobe off a wall is a way to get a large light source and soften the light reaching your subjects.

A tripod can also help as you can use a slower shutter speed and make better use of the available ambient light and use the flash for adding catchlights and dimension (subject background separation).
 
Thanks for the information, I am ordering and waiting for the Lastolite 24" Exybox and also Photek Softliter 60". I think both will do different. Though I am concerned the Photek will not work with line of sight of the speedlights.
You will love the Softliter. The flash needs to be set for the widest projection possible. If you have a wide-angle lens for the speedlight, use that. You can use one of those frosted diffuser boxes over the speedlight for very good light spread, but at a cost of at least a stop of light output.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/408069-REG/SBM_0105__0105_Supreme_Flash_Diffuser.html

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/408070-REG/SBM_0104__0104_Supreme_Flash_Diffuser.html

-Gene L.
http://www.ttl-biz.com
http://www.studiography.blogspot.com
 
Thanks. Note, the Softlighter II I have found, cannot align properly with my speedlight through its sock. If it did, then I think it would not work right with the line of sight master (SB900). Its a nice product but the speedlight in the sock is not for me.
It doesn't have to be a perfect fit, but the sock is a bit tight and might put some strain on the foot.

Here is my solution for the Vivitar 285HV. It might work for the speedlight too. Easy to make and inexpensive.

DIY Portable flash mounting bracket
http://mysite.verizon.net/throughthelens/flash_bracket/default.html

-Gene L.
http://www.ttl-biz.com
http://www.studiography.blogspot.com
 

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