8 ft Ceiling Tall Enough?

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As a newby to studio lighting, I'm considering getting some studio lights and putting them into an unused area of my basement which has an 8 foot ceiling. Had thoughts of getting some 48" umbrellas and a modest size soft box to start with.

Will the relatively low ceiling height create too many limitations? Seems possible (a bit tight) to set up at the classic 45 degree height, but I'm not certain how far away lights are typically set. Going beyond 45 degrees doesn't seem possible unless people are seated or on the floor. How frequently will that limitation create frustration?

Consider that I'd be shooting for senior pictures, but have a desire to experiment creatively. Any suggestions?
 
Yes 8 feet is fine as long as you figure out how to do what you want to do within that limitation.
 
I find my 8' ceiling limiting, but as Ellis mentioned, you have to work with what you have.

If you are interested, check out the photos in my website shown below. All the studio shots were taken in my living room that has and 8' ceiling.
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Lawrence
 
  • An 8 foot ceiling is limiting if you want to shoot full-length (standing) subjects. Sitting not so bad, or even scrunched to the floor (children and toddlers).
  • The situation is worse if you want to shoot with larger lights for softness, but is alleviated by shooting "Hollywood retro" style with compact spots and floods; the optical centres can be further up against the ceiling. However, the ceiling itself can be used as a soft light source if you can aim a [snooted] light in a pool without spill going directly to the subject. Such a bounced light can be effectively higher, including directly over the sitters head, of course.
  • As you have noticed, a low ceiling makes the lights effectively lower still if the lights need distancing for evenness with groups, which they generally do. Obviously not so much of a problem for singles.
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Baz
 
I have a 7 foot ceiling height in my basement studio and have been doing successful modelling and fashion work for the past 6 years. There are many limitations but you soon learn how to overcome most of them and just exactly what you can and cannot do. Dont let the 8 foot ceiling height prevent you from doing studio work...it is very doable.

Fred
 
Yes, you can use a studio that has 8 ft high ceiling. There are limitations, but you get used to it quickly. You'll need to get reflectors with honeycomb grids as hairlight, if you don't want reflected lights from the ceiling.

You need to experiment with models. That way you can see what can be done and what can't be done in your new studio.

I would say 8 ft is the minimal ceiling height for a studio where full lenght shots will be shot at.

Viktor
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I would say 8 ft is the minimal ceiling height for a studio where full lenght shots will be shot at.
I don't want to labour the point, having already had my say in an earlier post...

.... but I was in the position of having to sympathise with a professional colleague who was obliged to work in a studio that just wasn't high enough to permit him to use soft lights of the size he wanted (4 feet across).

His four foot diameter light had its centre below eye level for a stander-upper when hard up against the ceiling....

.... and the lack of any nose shadow , let alone one going down to, say, half-way between nose and upper lip....

... was NOT a great look.

Sorry to be a 'weary willy' about this, but hey, the OP did ask! :-(
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Baz
 
There's a well known photographer that makes tons of money with his basement studio and 8' or less ceilings.

Consider building a hairlight up into the beams.

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Scott
 
Sure it's a limitation, but you can do a lot.

Actually, fashion and pinup is fairly easy, since these often use a very large light source at around eye level. Although the background gets tricky for full-length unless you have a pretty long room. Hint: You can spend a ton of money on big softboxes and umbrellas, or you can just do what we old timers have always done -- bounce the light off a big white board. I use 4x8 foot sheets of styrofoam insulation.

To get the 45 degree look just use a chair. A smaller light source will also help. I get a lot of mileage out of a medium size Photoflex Softlighter. It's much flatter than a conventional softbox, so it's easier to get it high. Sometimes I wish I had gone for the small size.

Gato
 
Thanks for the good feedback, ideas for compensating, and great encouragement. I will move ahead with this ambition. I also appreciate the feedback on some of the negative consequences of low ceiling height. Understanding the downside is important to knowing what adjustments to make.

Funny thing about me and photography... the more I learn, the more my appetite grows for learning more!
 
It just depends on what your expectations are and your style of shooting. 8 ft is a little on the low side. There will be many limitations The ceiling height in my studio is close to 15ft so I can get pretty much what I want, but at times I have to shoot on location with low ceilings and I just adapt and get by. How large is the rest of the space?
 
It just depends on what your expectations are and your style of shooting. 8 ft is a > little on the low side. There will be many limitations The ceiling height in my studio > is close to 15ft so I can get pretty much what I want, but at times I have to shoot on > location with low ceilings and I just adapt and get by. How large is the rest of the > space?
The room is 20' deep by 15' wide. To compensate, would I be better off getting a smaller soft box and moving it closer, or a larger softbox at a lower angle?
 
Softboxes should be used pretty close anyway. You may have a little problem with full length. It may work out for you though. You could try an Octobox.
 
I use the large (32" x 40") AB softbox as a main, and the 56" moon unit on a ABR800 as a fill light for a lot of my images in my 8' tall studio. Everything is up against the ceiling.
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Lawrence
 
I know this post was several years ago........How did your project go with the 8 foot ceilings? I am in the same dilemma although have 8ft 7 to work with! Any info/advice would be appreciated

thanks

Diane
 
Eight feet is pretty snug, especially if you shoot standing portraits. It would be fine for most small product stuff. You can make it work, but 10 or 12 feet would be much better. I've been in studios with 20-25 foot ceilings for shooting larger objects and arranging creative overhead lighting, reflectors and tents.

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It just depends on what your expectations are and your style of shooting. 8 ft is a > little on the low side. There will be many limitations The ceiling height in my studio > is close to 15ft so I can get pretty much what I want, but at times I have to shoot on > location with low ceilings and I just adapt and get by. How large is the rest of the > space?
The room is 20' deep by 15' wide. To compensate, would I be better off getting a smaller soft box and moving it closer, or a larger softbox at a lower angle?
An 8' ceiling is a common problem but as others have said, you learn how to live with it.

Re your question about softbox size.

The size of the light source relative to the subject determines the softness/hardness of the light.

Both soft and hard light are good, just for different types of portraits.

The general guidelines for soft light portraits are:

1. The source of light, i.e. the face of the diffuser, should be physically as large as or larger than the subject. The larger the diffuser relative to the subject the softer the light.

2. The best combination of softness and light fall off across the subject, which is what gives you the highlights and shadows that make a flat image take on a 3D appearance, are achieved when the diffuser is at a distance between 1 and 2 times the diameter or diagonal of the diffuser.

Closer is softer but the light fall of can be so much that the shadows become featureless black. This can be fine for special case portraits or you can add a fill light to moderate the darkness of the shadows if extreme softness is desired.

Between 2 and 3 diameters/diagonals the light quickly becomes hard and flat, i.e. little light fall off across the subject. Beyond 3 diameters/diagonals you might as well just use the bare light source.

Technically a 43" (110cm) umbrella is the right size for head shots to thigh-up portraits. A 60" umbrella is a better choice for standing portraits but they are hard to use properly in a normal home room with an 8' ceiling.

In practice, because of the wide spread of light from an umbrella, you can use a 43" umbrella at 2 diameters or less and still get soft lighting for a standing portrait. Even if the feet go a little darker than the rest of the body that isn't a problem since the viewer's attention is attracted to the brightest part of the portrait, which should be the face.

A softbox/octabox with a recessed front diffuser sends less light to the sides so you have less stray light, thus a bit more control over subject and background lighting. A recessed front diffuser also makes adding a grid for even more light control easy. Softboxes are more expensive but most photographers eventually switch to softboxes to gain more light control.

A softbox in the range of 3'x4' (90x120cm) is a nice general purpose softbox. You can use it horizontally for head shots or waist up shots of a small group or vertically for a full length portrait with a bit of fall off to the feet.

In my opinion the limited length of your room is just as important as the 8' ceiling height. You need about 1-1/2' of space for background stands, a minimum of 6' separation between the subject and background, and a 15' separation between the subject and camera.

You should look at the various ways of attaching backgrounds to a wall instead of using background stands to give you another 1' to 1-1/2' of distance. Painting or wallpapering the wall to use as a background is also a good idea.

The reason for the 6' background to subject distance is to keep the subject's shadow out of the image. It is also the minimum distance to prevent light coming from a seamless white background causing the edges of the subject to be blown out, or "bleed" into the background.

Note that the 6' distance only works properly for a seamless white background if the white background is only overexposed by about 1/3 to 1/2 stop. Any more overexposure and you get bleeding and you get large light source lens flare that shows up as a reduced image contrast.

The reason for the 15' subject to camera distance is to eliminate distortion. Closer and you get extension distortion (distortion has to do with distance, not focal length, so it is incorrect to call it wide angle lens distortion). Further than 15' and you get compression distortion. Expansion distortion is much more acceptable than extension distortion.

Perspective distortion (photography) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ken Rockwell | Portrait Lenses

Extension distortion is small enough that most people won't notice it if you shoot from as close as 10' but any closer and it quickly becomes evident.

I recommend zoom lenses since they let you vary the type of portrait while always shooting from the same distance from the subject, a distance as close to 15' as possible.

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Hi there,

I realise this post is several years old but I'm hoping for some advice also.

I have my birthday coming up and I am hoping to create a full length photo booth type set up. I have approx an 8' ceiling height, 15' between the backdrop and opposite wall and most likely cramming multiple guests into a 10' wide backdrop. I have been trying to research the best possible way to light up the shots and am wondering will a large octagon softbox suffice and if so what size? The ceiling is also going to be covered in fairy lights, which hopefully will assist as it's going to be night.

Just want to add I am at the absolute beginner stage of my camera skills and recently purchased a Nikon D5600, so also hoping desired pictures can be achieved with a 50mm lense. Any advice would be truly greatful!
 
Hi fred

I'm new to photography and I have a basement room with 7ft ceilings I would love to know more about your setup ? Do u have room lights or u just use lights on stand to light room?

My current room has 4 4inch led lights I can change from 3000 4000 and 5000k. 2 are above where the kids will sit in front of back drop other to are roughly where I will be standing

Should I buy one of the lighting kits from newer off amazon and just use those lights and keep room lights off? I have pics of how room currently is I can send u do u have facebook so we can chat? I would really love to have your feedback

Thank you

Connie
 

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