Price difference between 1D and 1Ds

You've missed the point here - like others - the comparison is not between 1Ds and 5D2, but 1Ds and 1D.

Hunk seems to be the only one who has nailed a proper answer.. I just didn't know that the average studio/landscape/(fashion?) pro photographer makes more money than the average sport photographer. If that's what happens, the price difference makes sense to me now.
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I can't speak for photographers in the States, Asia or Somalië... but I know the western european market quite well. To give you an idea. The average news/sports photographer for the local newspaper gets some € 25,- for a published picture. For advertising the total budget per picture is between € 1.000 and € 5.000 (and sometimes much higher).
You've missed the point here - like others - the comparison is not between 1Ds and 5D2, but 1Ds and 1D.

Hunk seems to be the only one who has nailed a proper answer.. I just didn't know that the average studio/landscape/(fashion?) pro photographer makes more money than the average sport photographer. If that's what happens, the price difference makes sense to me now.
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with different resolutions, crop, frame rate. It all depends upon what you need.
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plus at the time of its release the 1ds mark III had no peer. i own the 1ds mark III and the 1d mark III. both are excellent cameras and if you don't need the extra resolution and width the 1d mark III is clearly the better buy.

that said i use the 1ds whenever possible but when i need speed, reach and smaller files i won't hesitate to grab the 1d mark III which produces cleaner files at hi-ISOs and produces files that sharpen a bit better and are easier to post process.

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It is marketing. Those who want the very best want to brag about the cost. Its amazing, but my wife was trying to sell something at our garage sale and had no luck. I looked at what she was asking, and told her the answer is simple, you are not asking enough and buyers want to pay more. So we tripled the price and it sold immediately.

Manufacturers commonly create a spread of perceived of perceived value and quality, They often do not make very much on the low end items, but the additional features on higher end products do generate more profit, and many buyers want to buy as high on the chain as they can possibly afford.

A GM Cadillac has a much higher margin that a low end chevy model for the same reason.
 
...and same goes for D3/D3x.

So, we all know that the 1Ds III has a sensor very similar to the 5D2's. Yet it costs like 3000 euros more than the 1D3. And the 5D2 costs less.

This is the very obvious and easy proof that 1Ds can't be so more expensive than 1D only due to the sensor. Yet they have the same body, controls etc. The conclusion is that the price difference is a pure 100% marketing strategy.
Of course. I have always maintained that full frame sensors are not THAT expensive to make that a camera has to be priced near $10K if it contained a full frame sensor. The 5D was the first camera that proved that. It was introduced at $3,300. At about the same time, the Nikon D2X, with a 1.5x crop 12mp CMOS sensor, cost $5K. It is indeed all marketing.
And consider also that both cameras are targeted to the same "category" (pros) even if in different sectors.

Speaking of which, the 1DS/D3x cannot be considered as the "top" cameras, it just depends on the sector: a sport photographer would rather chose the (1)D3 which have better performance, even if (I guess) it had the same price .
So my question is: what is this marketing strategy?
Charge the maximum the market will bear. If you can get away with it, of course.
Is a landscape/studio photographer supposed to have bigger business volume than a sport photographer?
Of course not. Sales for the D3X is slow. The same is probably true of the 1DSMKIII. Most professionals who would have bought the 1DSMKIII have bought 5DMKII cameras instead.
Just wondering :)
Luc
Wonder no more. Price rarely has anything to do with cost. An Acura costs about twice as much as a Honda, but the Acura does not cost twice as much to make. The same is true of small cars and big cars. It costs about the same to make an econobox as it does to make an SUV, but consumers are much more willing to pay big money for a big car than a small car. Therefore car makers have largely abandoned making econoboxes.

If and when full frame prices finally reflect thet true cost of making them, then there would be little profit in making APS-C models, and the market will therefore move to full frame entirely. However, that does not appear likely in the near future, as most camera makers have resisted starting a price war on full frame bodies, although Sony's decision to sell a 24mp full frame body for $3K did represent a tentative first shot in a mini-price war, which probably destroyed the market for $8K full frame bodies. There may never be another new 35mm DSLR, full frame or not, which can be sold for $8k from now on.
 
There has always been a big price difference between the two 1D's.

But the price difference has gotten smaller.

the 1D was $5500 - the 1Ds was $8000

It's not just the sensor, it's the sensor, the rest of the body and what the market will bear. Nothing missing.
I want to know how this marketing strategies are. I know that items for pros and business are more expensive than the ones for privates, but there's still something missing here.
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There has always been a big price difference between the two 1D's.

But the price difference has gotten smaller.

the 1D was $5500 - the 1Ds was $8000
Did I say smaller?! :D ......... Ooooops!!!
It's not just the sensor, it's the sensor, the rest of the body and what the market will bear. Nothing missing.
I want to know how this marketing strategies are. I know that items for pros and business are more expensive than the ones for privates, but there's still something missing here.
Luc
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If you have the money and NEED the product, you'll pay whatever the price is. I've earned the price of a 1Ds in 12 hours at least a few times.
If you simply WANT the product and have them money, there ya go.
Check the price of the Nissan GT-R, sticker versus actually selling price.

The market is everything. If the market won't support a profit for a given product, you won't see that product.
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I did use suckers with some sarcasm. We are all suckers aren’t we? There are wants and needs but very few things in the world we buy are 100% need. GT-R and expensive cameras included. Tools for trade of course have a different value system.
 
Try $4,500 for 1D.
But the price difference has gotten smaller.

the 1D was $5500 - the 1Ds was $8000

It's not just the sensor, it's the sensor, the rest of the body and what the market will bear. Nothing missing.
I want to know how this marketing strategies are. I know that items for pros and business are more expensive than the ones for privates, but there's still something missing here.
Luc
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People who claim to be open minded never see it my way.
 
Original price for the 1D was $5500.
But the price difference has gotten smaller.

the 1D was $5500 - the 1Ds was $8000

It's not just the sensor, it's the sensor, the rest of the body and what the market will bear. Nothing missing.
I want to know how this marketing strategies are. I know that items for pros and business are more expensive than the ones for privates, but there's still something missing here.
Luc
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Where is your source? The camera was announced Feb 2007, Canon's site list price $4499.00 as of Feb 2007.

http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=139&modelid=14999
But the price difference has gotten smaller.

the 1D was $5500 - the 1Ds was $8000

It's not just the sensor, it's the sensor, the rest of the body and what the market will bear. Nothing missing.
I want to know how this marketing strategies are. I know that items for pros and business are more expensive than the ones for privates, but there's still something missing here.
Luc
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People who claim to be open minded never see it my way.
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Believe he was refering to the Original 1D (MK1) of 2001 as having a list price of $5500, which adjusted for inflation would equal $6700 in today's currency value.

The Original 1Ds (Mk1) listed for $8000, which would equal a value of $9750 today, so the 1Ds Mk3 is actually a fairly good value at $8000 compared to the original 1Ds.
 
The 1D was announced in 2001!!

Know your cameras.
1D
1Ds
1DMKII
1DsMKII
1DMKIIN
1DMKIII
1DsMKIII
Where is your source? The camera was announced Feb 2007, Canon's site list price $4499.00 as of Feb 2007.

http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=139&modelid=14999
But the price difference has gotten smaller.

the 1D was $5500 - the 1Ds was $8000

It's not just the sensor, it's the sensor, the rest of the body and what the market will bear. Nothing missing.
I want to know how this marketing strategies are. I know that items for pros and business are more expensive than the ones for privates, but there's still something missing here.
Luc
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I am not referring to the "original" 1D - the "original" 1D was a prototype, and probably cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. I am talking about the 1D. And there is no such thing as a 1DMK1.

Good grief. If you (not you A.C.) are going to talk about cameras here, the very least you should know are the NAMES of the cameras - don't ya think?

It's not hard, especially sense they are listed right here on this forum - all you have to do is LOOK .

Sorry for the rant A.C., but it flabbergasts me when people spend thousands of dollars on gear and they don't even know what they are buying.

What do they ask for in a store? Hi Mr. sales guy, I'd like to buy that thingy over there. :D
Believe he was refering to the Original 1D (MK1) of 2001 as having a list price of $5500, which adjusted for inflation would equal $6700 in today's currency value.

The Original 1Ds (Mk1) listed for $8000, which would equal a value of $9750 today, so the 1Ds Mk3 is actually a fairly good value at $8000 compared to the original 1Ds.
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