Kind of abandoning ship even before departure

[Raist3d]

Though I expect to use u4/3rds a lot....

--
Raist3d (Photographer & Tools/Systems/Gui Games Developer)
Andreas Feininger (1906-1999) 'Photographers — idiots, of which there are
so many — say, “Oh, if only I had a Nikon or a Leica, I could make great
photographs.” That’s the dumbest thing I ever heard in my life. It’s
nothing but a matter of seeing, and thinking, and interest. That’s what
makes a good photograph.'

 

[gorred]

you encourage me in my deciscion and plans (despite Andreas Feininger... ;-) ) with these pictures.

Best/ Göran
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[gorred]

Well, it's a matter of the feel for and price of the cameras in the end. I made my choice after checking quite a lot small cameras. Judging from picture samples from the LX3 I'm pretty content so far.

But I admit there are a few cameras out there competing.

Best/ Göran
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[John King]

Gidday Andrey

Had one of each ... Collapsible Summicron f2/50 and an M2 and M3 body. Lovely cameras ... a whole swag of other Leitz lenses as well. Sold the M2 and first set of lenses to buy my OM-1 and lenses.

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[Angular Mo]

Goran, I have been thinking similar considerations.

When I look at the quality of the DP2 images, I am always amazed, and it makes me wonder and ask myself the following ill-phrased/defined questions relating to the camera, and my own consumer buying-behaviour? , which I now ask publicly...

• is there a benefit to having a camera specified and calibrated for one, fixed lens going to be "better"? (the " " imply a lack of defining what "better" means...)

• will I be (self) teased into buying a new set of lenses, that I won't be able to afford, which may be "better" spent on the E-1 system, and thus become frustrated ?

• assuming, not all lenses for the EP-1 will be pancakes, will that become a mitigating factor that reduces its advantage for me as a jacket-pockteable, take-anywhere camera?

Yeah, yeah, these are questions I can only answer for myself, but it seems that maybe others are asking themselves the same questions?, and it would be interesting to hear how others are anaswering them?

Before I get flamed, check my history, owned and used an E-1 since Nov 2005.

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'Photos are what remain when the memories are forgotten' - Angular Mo.

 

[SIX5665]

--Just obtained the 620 as my first dslr with the expectation of getting the next iteration of the E3 or E30 and having the 620 as my backup and for others to use. Still think I made the right choice M4/3 may be nice but how many different formats do you need to do the same job?

 

[gorred]

If I understood you correctly:

I, for myself, think it is harder to choose nowadays, with so many different options out there to choose between.

And I cannot afford to have as many cameras as I want to (and am not allowed either, apparently we have to pay the rent...;-) ). So I have to think of what I need, and why.

Assuming having only one system, I stick to my E3 and the belonging lenses. But then I need a more portable camera, to fill in, and to have in those certain situations when the E3 is too big and bulky, for instance walking the night streets in Cape Town, when on a party where I am not the photographer etc.

Almost automatically looking at the soon to come MFT-system, beacause my photo habits have made me pretty cautious when it comes to image quality and the possibility to handle the camera manually, and the thought of a big sensor in a little camera would kind of guarantee quality. Still realising that it would be a new and parallell system, and to have only one lens (fixed? pancake?) would not have any advantages over a good P&S camera. And there are a bunch of those. I choose the LX3. Could as well have been the Fuji 200 something, or C G10 or the DP2....

I also think there ar many "specialised" cameras, every one good at what they are aiming for, and for the need of the user. So I would not consider any camera be any better, I think the best camera, above a certain level, is the one I use and feel happy with.

I will try to be happy with my Panny, and to see if the somewhat limited zoom range fits my needs (which I think it will do).

We have all different reasons for our choices. In the end one will have to put on the blinders and go for the equipment you have choosen to have. But, I admit it's hard.

(Sorry for the long post) Göran
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[therussmeister]

Before departure is the best time to abandon ship. Prevents one from getting wet.

 

[gorred]

Right. Thought so LOL. Still on the big ship though!

Best/ Göran
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[olyflyer]

Good luck with your LX3. I just recently bought a G10 and was thinking about the same way as you did. The MFT, regardless how small it will be, is a totally new system and can not even be used as a spare body, since all my lenses lose AF with it. It will be interesting to know how many Oly users are actually going to buy it once it becomes available and reality hits their faces regarding size and price.

If I wanted a small camera to complement my system I would have bought an E-420 or a 620. They would take just as much space in my bag, are pocketable with the pancake and are 100% compatible with the rest of my Oly. In other words, a common system and not a new one, like the MFT. The only advantage the MFT has above the 420 is the silent, mirrorless function. On the other hand, the MFT will have no VF, which I think is a disadvantage. Even my very high resolution G10 is difficult to see in some situations and in others, one does not want the LCD panel to glow in ones face. In both of those cases I happily continue using the G10 with its's pathetic tunnel VF. Bad as it is, but very useful on occasions.
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[Paco 316]

It will be hard to take any pictures from your pocket, don't you think?
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[Mahmoud Mousef]

Others having similar thoughts?

Indeed.

Micro Four Thirds is an interesting approach, and may well be lucrative for Olympus, but convenience and feature-wise (and cost-wise!), I think you definitely made the right choice with a compact cam (with a faster lens, I might add).

Sure, you lose flexibility of an interchangeable lens camera (which you may or may not appreciate, and you may or may not have to wait an eternity for the lenses you want, which may or may not kill all quality and size benefits , but you also gain in so many other areas.

If there's anything this thread has taught me, it's that I need to buy one of those vests and start taking more pics with my (bigger but definitely loved) Four Thirds stuff

 

[olyflyer]

It will be hard to take any pictures from your pocket, don't you think?

Not if you want to take a picture of your pocket money...

A side note: Do you have more then one camera in your hand and around your neck? I am happy with one at a time so the other stays in my pocket or my bag.
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[osloray]

I also second that...
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[gorred]

Appreciating the joke, although it is easy to make - given English is not my native language and I might be square in trying to express myself... But you still have to carry it somewhere between the photo sessions right?

But apart from this - there are different situations för different cameras. For example - when we were in South Africa, we were strongly advised not to carry big exepensive cameras in the open in certain areas, especially night time, as well as flashing jewellery and such. I still wanted to take pictures. With a more pocketable camera than my E3 that would have been possible. I can easliy put forward a lot of similar situations, that is when a smaller camera is more convinient.

I will still hold on to my beloved E3, and use it as I use it today, to take photos with. But I now have a spare camera, that I can take out from my pocket any time, especially when I'm not carrying the E3. The LX3 is not a replacement, but more of a contribution.

Göran
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[Guy Parsons]

............ But I now have a spare camera, that I can take
out from my pocket any time, especially when I'm not carrying the E3.
The LX3 is not a replacement, but more of a contribution.

I'm another Oly/LX3 user, in my case Oly E-300 with 11-22 lens as most used. Bought the LX3 for a recent Japan trip just to keep things small and light while we were travelling via train everywhere.

Net result, never missed the DSLR at all. Kept the LX3 in a quality belt pouch, unobtrusive and well protected. Life was easy using that.

I actually regard the LX3 as my "waiting camera", that is, waiting a while to see where micro 4/3 is heading. But I see that the LX3 will allow me to be happy to wait for some time.

Apologies to all for advertising my badly maintained and irregularly added to LX3 pages.... http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~parsog/panasonic/01-intro.html but some LX3 users may find some odd things of interest in there.

Regards........... Guy

 

[gorred]

............ But I now have a spare camera, that I can take
out from my pocket any time, especially when I'm not carrying the E3.
The LX3 is not a replacement, but more of a contribution.

I'm another Oly/LX3 user, in my case Oly E-300 with 11-22 lens as
most used. Bought the LX3 for a recent Japan trip just to keep things
small and light while we were travelling via train everywhere.

Net result, never missed the DSLR at all. Kept the LX3 in a quality
belt pouch, unobtrusive and well protected. Life was easy using that.

I actually regard the LX3 as my "waiting camera", that is, waiting a
while to see where micro 4/3 is heading. But I see that the LX3 will
allow me to be happy to wait for some time.

Apologies to all for advertising my badly maintained and irregularly
added to LX3 pages....
http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~parsog/panasonic/01-intro.html but some
LX3 users may find some odd things of interest in there.

Regards........... Guy

Thanks for the input and the useful link to your web page. It's been book marked.

Best/ Göran

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[Nagual7]

I use a larger one of those vests to shoot football (US Version) at night made by the Vested Interest

http://www.vestedinterest.com/

On the other end of the scale I have a Ricoh GX100 which I love.........BUT,

What I have really wanted was a replacement for my Oly 5050, something that I can carry in a small shoulder bag that will not scare the local inhabitants when I pull it out.

Carry an extra battery, a small flash like the FL-20 and an EVF like the GX and I am happy.

Something of the IQ of my E-zz's and the form factor of my GX.

PhotoGearPorn, I can't wait.

N7

 

[amalric]

I would probably get the F200 EXR for its possibility of shooting at 6 Mpx or in Pseudo HDR, which in my view makes it rather unique. It is also almost half the price of the LX3

OTH I have kept the 410 that with pancake will only be marginally bigger than the new µ4/3, and surely not of the G1. Of course the big advantage is that it can still be used with the whole Oly lens lineup.

As for pocketability, if your pockets are too small, you can still break up the kit in two, the body and lens, and carry them separately for a while.

Am.
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[Plothole]

This is a rough scaling based on the hotshoes, but I would say it's enough to suggest the difference with their respective pancakes is more than marginal.

OTH I have kept the 410 that with pancake will only be marginally
bigger than the new µ4/3, and surely not of the G1. Of course the big
advantage is that it can still be used with the whole Oly lens lineup.