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Hi guys, I need your help!
I have a D70 that I mostly use with these two lenses:
18-200 nikon
50 f1.8 nikon
18-80 nikon (kit with d70)

I want to upgrade my collection.
The best would be the d700 and the 24-70.

My idea is first to take the 24-70 and after one year get the d700 (its price would decrease)

Do you agree or it would be better to bu first the d700 and later the lens? But I think I couldn't use my lenses except the 50

My concern is how the 24-70 will work on my d70 for the next year...
Thanks!
 
My idea is first to take the 24-70 and after one year get the d700
(its price would decrease)

Do you agree or it would be better to bu first the d700 and later the
lens? But I think I couldn't use my lenses except the 50
Keep in mind you can use your DX lenses on the D700 in DX crop mode.
The pictures will be around 5MP, but very high quality compared to your D70.
My concern is how the 24-70 will work on my d70 for the next year...
Depends on how much you use the 18-23 range.

You might get some better replies in the D700 or Nikon SLR Lens forums.

This is the "Nikon Talk Forum, the place to discuss Nikon Coolpix digital cameras" :-)

--
Patco
A photograph is more than a bunch of pixels
 
Hi guys, I need your help!
I have a D70 that I mostly use with these two lenses:
18-200 nikon
50 f1.8 nikon
18-80 nikon (kit with d70)

I want to upgrade my collection.
The best would be the d700 and the 24-70.

My idea is first to take the 24-70 and after one year get the d700
(its price would decrease)

Do you agree or it would be better to bu first the d700 and later the
lens? But I think I couldn't use my lenses except the 50

My concern is how the 24-70 will work on my d70 for the next year...
Thanks!
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Regarding the D700, perhaps you might find Thom Hogan's review helpful. His comments make a lot of sense. Here are two excerpts:

"Should You Get a D700?

"Yes. Or no. Surprisingly, it's not quite as easy [a] decision as it might seem to be:

"• Film SLR owner who hasn't gone digital. If you're a N90s or F100 user, the D700 is probably the camera you've been waiting for, though you should also take a long look at the D300. If you're a F3, F4, F5, or F6 user, the D3 is probably the more logical choice, especially with the recent drops in prices.

"• Consumer DSLR owner (D40, D40x, D50, D70, D70s). I'd say no, skip the D700 and go to the D90 or D300. First, there's that DX/FX thing. You're used to shooting DX and the D90 and D300 will sustain that. The D700 is heavier and bigger by enough that it should make you pause and consider the D90 and D300 instead, though if you've been missing the FX frame, that may be enough to tip things in the D700's favor. Don't get distracted by that high ISO and slight DR gain's though: you pay a big financial penalty for the differences, and both the D90 and D300 are better than what you've got.

"• Prosumer DSLR owner (D100, D200, D300 user). Older prosumer users will see bigger gains than a D300 user will, but the primary thing is FX, at least another stop of high ISO capability over the D300, and a bit more dynamic range. Still, I'd say D100 and D200 users really have to consider the D300. D300 users need to think carefully about what they give up and gain in moving to FX. The D300, for example, has autofocus sensors that cover most of the frame and has a higher pixel density (useful at the telephoto end with distant subjects, such as in wildlife shooting).

"• Older professional DSLR owner (D1x or D2x user). Here again we have an easy answer: yes, move up to the D700 (or D3) if you're ready to upgrade. The D2x might be able to hold its own against a D700 at the base ISO, but that's where it ends: at every higher ISO value the D700 starts to pull further and further away.

"Bottom line: the D700 [is] a great camera, but make sure you need what it offers. And be prepared for Nikon to continue to pull 'new and better' cameras out of their hat."

Thom goes on to say:

"I need to point out that as I write this Nikon has four very capable 12mp cameras, and almost certainly one of them is the right one for you. The question is which? Well, okay, the question you probably have is what do you give up or gain with each? Let's take this in steps:

"• D90. Clean ISO to 640, very usable ISO to 1600. Modest frame rate (4.5 fps).

"• D300. Adds: US$575, faster frame rate (6 fps), wider autofocus coverage, more robust body and sealing, weight/size, better viewfinder, 10-pin connector, mirror lock-up, 14-bits. Loses: video.

"• D700. Adds: US$1225, another stop of clean ISO, another stop of usable ISO, slightly better autofocus, FX lens use, faster 14-bits, weight/size. Loses: frame rate (5 fps), pixel density.

"• D3. Adds: US$1700, faster frame rate (9 fps), even more robust body and sealing, weight/size, better battery, multiple card slots, voice annotation, more dedicated buttons. Loses: self-cleaning sensor.

"Yes, you can add a grip and get better frame rates and battery performance and more size/weight on the lower models. Personally, that doesn't make a lot of sense to me (you'll need new batteries and charger, so the cost starts pushing you up to the next level), but it may to you. You gain only modestly in image quality climbing this ladder, and mostly at high ISO levels. My advice is to mentally climb the ladder and get off where the added cost doesn't equal the added benefits in your mind."

If you would like to read the rest of Thom's excellent review of the D700, click on this link:
http://bythom.com/nikond700review.htm

By the way, what types of photography do you do? Can you show us samples of your work?

Based on the little that your original post tells us, my impression is that you might be a good candidate for a D300 upgrade rather than for a D700 purchase.

Cheers,
Noy

http://www.pbase.com/noyphoto
 
Great!!!
Tanks to all who participate and thank you very much for your post.
It's very interesting and clear.

Definetly for what I've read I would be a potential candidate for upgrading to d300 and maybe the d700 is not really what I need.

I don't have a specific kind of photograpy, I space from landscape to portrait. I don't go to safari but sometimes I like using strong zoom (therefore the d300 would be better for the crop factor)

The only concern is about the lens I'm going to buy!

As I said I want to upgrade, I don't knoww if my picture "really values" the 24-70 but what I like from it is the 2.8 blur, the luminosity, the strenght...The concern is that maybe on the d300 the range 24-70 (36-105) is not an optimal range to have on a lens that (in my plans) I will use 95% of time. I think it will be more usable on a d700 since it will be a pure 24-70.

I really don't know what to do.

Maybe the best choice would be to buy first the lens and use it on the d70. Then see how I fit with this range and then decide if to remain in the dx or skip to the fx.

Tanks :)
s

PS sorry I didn't know it was a coolpix forum, I tought it was a "general nikon talk" and I didn't know where to post (d700 forum? d300 forum? lens forum? :P )
ciao!
 
I don't have a specific kind of photograpy, I space from landscape to
portrait. I don't go to safari but sometimes I like using strong zoom
(therefore the d300 would be better for the crop factor)

The only concern is about the lens I'm going to buy!
As I said I want to upgrade, I don't knoww if my picture "really
values" the 24-70 but what I like from it is the 2.8 blur, the
luminosity, the strenght...The concern is that maybe on the d300 the
range 24-70 (36-105) is not an optimal range to have on a lens that
(in my plans) I will use 95% of time. I think it will be more usable
on a d700 since it will be a pure 24-70.

I really don't know what to do.

Maybe the best choice would be to buy first the lens and use it on
the d70. Then see how I fit with this range and then decide if to
remain in the dx or skip to the fx.

Tanks :)
s

PS sorry I didn't know it was a coolpix forum, I tought it was a
"general nikon talk" and I didn't know where to post (d700 forum?
d300 forum? lens forum? :P )
ciao!
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First of all, posting your questions here is fine.

Yes, this is "the place to discuss Nikon Coolpix digital cameras" -- but that does not necessarily mean that it is NOT the place to discuss other Nikon-related topics, such as Nikon DSLRs and Nikkor lenses.

In other words, in actual practise, it is not only for Coolpix cameras. Note that the name of this forum is Nikon Talk Forum, not Nikon Coolpix Forum. Any Nikon-related subject matter has been fair game here for years, as thousands of posts show.

Now, let's turn to your question about what lens to buy.

You say that you want "a lens that (in my plans) I will use 95% of time." Doesn't your 18-200mm VR serve that purpose for you and your D70? Are you not happy with it? There are sample variations among lenses. Is yours not a good one, perhaps?

Anyway, if your interest in the 24-70mm f/2.8 is a result of your desire for better optical performance, then you've picked what is regarded by many as one of Nikon's best lenses. However, as you are probably aware, it is big, heavy and rather costly -- and it doesn't have VR.

If those four potential drawbacks are not a problem for you, then you should go ahead and get one, especially if you plan to buy an FX Nikon in the near future. It serves as the keystone on many FX users' f/2.8 zoom kit -- the other lenses in that kit being the 14-24mm and the 70-200mm Nikkors.

But remember that a 24-70mm zoom may not have sufficient range for 95% of your shooting needs -- when used with an FX or DX camera. In the DX world, your 18-200mm VR is one lens that can do that job, or most of it. So far, there is no equivalent all-purpose Nikkor zoom in the FX arena. The old 24-120mm VR comes close, but it does not appear to be highly regarded and is due for an update.

If you are not satisfied with your DX 18-200mm VR, tell us why. Note that using it on a D300 will actually improve its JPEG output because the camera automatically corrects any lens's chromatic aberrations. Yes, Nikon's newer cameras improve the performance of lenses attached to them.

An alternative walk-around lens for a DX Nikon is the 16-85mm VR. It has less range than your zoom but offers better optical performance, according to Thom Hogan and other reviewers. A bargain-priced and less attractive option is the plastic-mount 18-105mm VR.

Here are some links to Thom's Web site for more information about these and other lenses:

16-85mm VR -- http://bythom.com/Nikkor16-85lensreview.htm

18-200mm VR -- http://bythom.com/18200lens.htm

18-105mm VR -- http://bythom.com/Nikkor18-105lensreview.htm

Reviews of Nikon products -- http://bythom.com/nikon.htm

Home page -- http://bythom.com/

Also check out Bjørn Rørslett's reviews of Nikon lenses at
http://www.naturfotograf.com/index2.html .

(Sorry, I can't give you direct links; navigation to the right pages is necessary).

Unless your 18-200mm VR is a bad sample or you are absolutely unhappy with it, you may want to get a D300 and pair that lens with it. (I am very happy with this combination.) Otherwise, do consider the DX 16-85mm VR.

Or go with the superlative 24-70mm f/2.8 if you intend to buy a D700 in the foreseeable future and don't mind this lens's bulk, weight, cost, lack of VR and limited range.

Good luck!

Cheers,
Noy

http://www.pbase.com/noyphoto
 

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