Sigma SD16 - How many pixels?

[bluekite]

I would be interested in seeing how many pixels do you think the next SD16 will be.

I think maybe 5.8 megapixels.

Sigma SD9/SD10: 3.4 MP
Sigma SD14/SD15: 4.6 MP
Sigma SD16/SD17: 5.8 MP

It would be interesting to see what comes next year at PMA 2010. 2010 really sounds like a turning-point year.

I still can't believe we are in 2009. Sometimes I write the date as 2008.

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[JohnLindroth]

I would be interested in seeing how many pixels do you think the next
SD16 will be.

Who really cares? We all think we want more. (FWIW : I personally hope for 20mp, or it's just not worth the trouble....that's only twice the linear resolution). But I plan to shoot pictures with my SD14, or whatever I happen to own. The SD14 is a great tool, but doesn't do much until you push the shutter button....and at the moment, it's the best I have. Nice thoughts about the future, but it's all just wasting time online, instead of using the camera. I'm personally of the view that the camera isn't hugely important. You could get 25MP images with great color (probably better than foveon chips) and resolution using slide film and have it scanned it. And film cameras are CHEAP!
Maybe I've not been Sigmafied enough yet...

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[bluekite]

Dear John,

I know that MP isn't the end all of photography, but I am sure that Sigma needs to make some gains in MP to stay in the headlines.

Otherwise they may simply concentrate on marketing the uniqueness of their DP line.

I think the DP2 is the stand-out camera release of the year.

Would you be interested in upgrading to the SD15 if Sigma gave you a discount for current SD14 users?

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[JohnLindroth]

Would you be interested in upgrading to the SD15 if Sigma gave you a
discount for current SD14 users?

Blue,

I'm really happy with what I can do with the SD14. To buy an SD15, it would have to be worth the price they put on it, over a couple years. I'm not sure what will come out of the camera that might be worth it, but I'm hoping it will be affordable enough that I might consider it.

You can't really expect a company to put out discounts for new products based on ownership of an older model. That makes no sense.

-John
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[bluekite]

Well I think it depends on whether your SD14 has any serious problems with green casting and/or too many lock-ups.

Considering Sigma has pitched the SD14 as a studio artist's camera, for those people who had too many lock-ups, it would be considered not very acceptable if they had paid for it at full price.

Some people have sold their SD14 on eBay because of this lock-up factor and/or green casts in dark areas.

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[JohnLindroth]

I guess they are buying Nikon or Canon....

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[RKGoth]

I would be interested in seeing how many pixels do you think the next
SD16 will be.

I think maybe 5.8 megapixels.

I don't think we'll see major changes to the 1.7x Foveon, but hopefully we'll see an existing pixel-pitch FF sensor.

What I'm curious about is whether or not Sigma's acquisition of Foveon will lead to improvements in fabrication - let's say the existing fab can produce X size of wafer with Y yield, and FF would be hard because you'd get fewer seconsors (1/4 number, I guess) and potentially a much much lower yield as a result - maybe the key to Foveon's progression is investment in fabrication. I can't remember where the Foveon sensors are actually made.

And for that to be worthwhile you'd need licensees. Or a range of cameras...

A full-frame 12Mp Foveon camera with EX DG lenses and a cost for, say, body and 50 1.4, 24-70 + 70-200 under $10,000, flexible flash sync and shooting > 1.2 frames per second would be a very attractive alternative to MF digital for me.

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[Erik Magnuson]

maybe the key to
Foveon's progression is investment in fabrication.

Foveon is a design house - they don't own any fabs.

I can't remember
where the Foveon sensors are actually made.

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[Framer]

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[Negative287]

Full Frame or 1.3x 8 MP and that's when people will start to take it seriously but I doubt Sigma will sell the sensor for other bodies as they're putting together a respectible platform.

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[TJ Hanlon]

a FF Foveon sensor any time soon. Consider that almost all of Sigma's lenses now are based on the DC size, and will cause vignetting on FF sensors. That would be an awful lot of lenses to replace.

tjh
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[Tim Binns]

I agree that the camera isn't that important, but I believe that Sigma needs to put out a 20ish mp or full frame camera soon or there wont be any thinking of the future for Sigma camera. There just wont be a Sigma camera anymore.
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[Negative287]

They sell as many or more lenses than either Nikon or Canon so I can't see them totally disappearing. I can see them working out their lens line-up before introducing a body capable of Full Frame (some believe they have 3 or 4 lenses that would work great from edge to edge already and another year would provide another 3 or 4).

I agree that the camera isn't that important, but I believe that
Sigma needs to put out a 20ish mp or full frame camera soon or there
wont be any thinking of the future for Sigma camera. There just wont
be a Sigma camera anymore.
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[TTH]

Consider that almost all of Sigma's
lenses now are based on the DC size, and will cause vignetting on FF
sensors. That would be an awful lot of lenses to replace.

Well I wouldn't say that after looking Sigma's lens lineup:
http://sigma-photo.com/lenses/lenses_all.asp
There is a new 24-70 for FF
The all-time favourite 70-200 f/2.8 for FF
120-300 is for FF
All macros are for FF
Even Bigma is for FF
Only this what Sigma doesn't produce to FF is 30mm f/1.4..

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[RKGoth]

They sell as many or more lenses than either Nikon or Canon so I
can't see them totally disappearing. I can see them working out
their lens line-up before introducing a body capable of Full Frame
(some believe they have 3 or 4 lenses that would work great from edge
to edge already and another year would provide another 3 or 4).

Oh noes. I think my D3's Sigma lenses must be some sort of anomaly...

They make plenty of lenses that work great full frame. Right now I have 28-70, 24-70 on the way, 100-300, 120-400, 300-800, 70-200, and in the range there's the 50mm 1.4 and countless others (150-500, etc)...

At what point did people start thinking Sigma only made DC lenses?

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[J. Michael]

5.8 mega pixels on a 1.3 crop sensor with offset microlenses (large photosites to facilitate DR, tonal gradation, lower noise at higher ISOs) , 4 FPS, bigger buffer & problem free processing pipeline, better LCD, tighter autofocus, and a control/menu layout like the SD9/10 would be a show stopper.

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[Negative287]

They sell as many or more lenses than either Nikon or Canon so I
can't see them totally disappearing. I can see them working out
their lens line-up before introducing a body capable of Full Frame
(some believe they have 3 or 4 lenses that would work great from edge
to edge already and another year would provide another 3 or 4).

Oh noes. I think my D3's Sigma lenses must be some sort of anomaly...

Not at all...

They make plenty of lenses that work great full frame. Right now I
have 28-70, 24-70 on the way, 100-300, 120-400, 300-800, 70-200, and
in the range there's the 50mm 1.4 and countless others (150-500,
etc)...

A large portion of Sigma lenses were known to be softer on the edges than the Canon or Nikon counterparts. The fact that you don't have any of them just means you shopped wisely or you may have one or two and managed to get an exceptional copy.

At what point did people start thinking Sigma only made DC lenses?

I don't know but I wasn't speaking in terms of digital only lenses just lesser quality at the extremes... Lenses like the 18 - 50 F/2.8 and 70 EX F/2.8 Don't exhibit these tendencies and it is believed that none of the newer lenses show these traits... Basically this is what many believe is Sigma retooling to bring out a full frame DSLR (although I think any lens that looks sharp on the D3 would certainly look more sharp on a Foveon Full Frame).

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[RKGoth]

A large portion of Sigma lenses were known to be softer on the edges
than the Canon or Nikon counterparts. The fact that you don't have
any of them just means you shopped wisely or you may have one or two
and managed to get an exceptional copy.

Just random samples, and I don't have a 24-70 HSM yet, obviously. That should be next week. Still, I'm covering 28-800mm with what I have and I'm not unhappy with any of them.

I don't know but I wasn't speaking in terms of digital only lenses
just lesser quality at the extremes... Lenses like the 18 - 50 F/2.8
and 70 EX F/2.8 Don't exhibit these tendencies and it is believed
that none of the newer lenses show these traits... Basically this is
what many believe is Sigma retooling to bring out a full frame DSLR
(although I think any lens that looks sharp on the D3 would certainly
look more sharp on a Foveon Full Frame).

If there are improvements, then I'm sure it's really just to improve their quality (and increase price and value to Sigma) - the 50mm f1.4 is a definite example of that, being considered amongst the best (if not the best) currently available fast 50mm, but also being amongst the most expensive.

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[fnoskoimages]

...in your dreams BlueKite.

You will see and SD15 at 2010 as they just announced it again on 3.3.2009 so the developement is far away imo...

As Sigma can make 3-4 new lenses per year Sigma have just FAILED to make a good working DSLR without any problems in 3 years so i don't expect nothing just DP series and a SD15 as a facelift, so maybe you will see an SD16/17 whatever in 2013...

I would be interested in seeing how many pixels do you think the next
SD16 will be.

I think maybe 5.8 megapixels.

Sigma SD9/SD10: 3.4 MP
Sigma SD14/SD15: 4.6 MP
Sigma SD16/SD17: 5.8 MP

It would be interesting to see what comes next year at PMA 2010. 2010
really sounds like a turning-point year.

I still can't believe we are in 2009. Sometimes I write the date as
2008.

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BK.

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