DSLR Sales

[doppiozero1]

From here Italy, i see that the shop i'm used to visit, are working, and not bad.

But here overpricing, is "normal" and now shops, have cutted their price so more clients buy.

But i notice there's more attention in "what" people buy if new, they ask question.

Second hand market, have a stronger boom than previously, (and if i think one could easily find for example a canon 1d mkIII or a D3 for 2.000 euro, almost new, in shops i'm not surprised for this boom.)

Pentax manage to do a lot of wrong marketing moves here.

Non rebates, or similar things existent in other place, lenses not avaiable in shops, and no advertising,

i could find Canon, Nikon,Olympus, (oly very aggressive pricing and discounts in the shops) Panasonic,Kodak, placard when i take the Metro.
Pentax? never.

There's potential buyers, Italy was a strong market, for Pentax, but there's not "the presence", of the brand, so this market today is domain of the other players, (N C and now S plus others), and is not a good thing, i suppose is not the only one in Europe.

A couple of examples.
Almost all pentax lenses i own are from second hand market, and from the "BAY".

And is a pity, cause if i wanna buy new stuff, for example the 16-50 i've to order and wait... and if i'm unlucky? And the lens have problems? No immediate change possible..

Another good measure, as i said is the second hand market.

A good example is that One of the most "well placed" second hand shop for photo gear in Milan, is plenty of material from almost all the producers,and the few pentax things that appear, on their shelves, and website, go in no more than a couple of days, no matter the price, or the condition of the item, there's the "hungry" for pentax gears but not the gears avaiable.

Is always the same, if i could find in shops Pentax body only, or the kit, and

other brands fullfill the shelves, if one is not a pentax lover, easily go to the others..

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Learning, learning, learning.. nothing more nothing less..

 

[Lance B]

Sensational.....but not very accurate.

Come on John, how are newspapers and media going to sell their stuff if they aren't feeding us sensations? ;-)

If they talked up the economies rather than kept talking them down, this recession wouldn't have even got a foothold.

No news sells like bad news.

Certain market data shows the
DSLR sales are one of the few Consumer Electronics catagories showing
growth.

Let's hope it continues and then Pentax can make even bigger inroads.

--
John C.

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Lance B
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[Lance B]

Figures elsewhere are:
Japan -37%
Eurpope - 23.3%
Asia -23.3%
Other regions +40%

Homm , other regions +40%....
Maybe a typo, either -40 or +4.
But more likely, someone opended the first "ice and mortar"
photography store in Anatarctica.
Or other regions = internet.

Or Other regions = Africa + Australia (Aussie might be part of Asia
though). Im not very knowledgable about the Afrian economy, a +40%
might not be that many units in that market...

I think we might be 'other' as we are mostly considered 'Oceania' but sometimes we are lumped in with Asia. I have a sneaky feeling that we are 'Oceania' though, and it wouldn't surprise me as the Aussie economy is still doing pretty well compared to the rest of the world and we have been a good market for Pentax.

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[gustabod]

from an australian market perspective, my local retailer tells me that the Pentax agent can't get anough KM's out of Pentax to satisfy demand.They also wish they had access to the k200D still. Not sure that pentax withholds product from Australia, seems to be available soon after release (at VERY inflated prices!).

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gustavo

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[dportal]

read my mind....word by word

A friend of mine use to constantly cite bogus statistics when discussing....he had the theory that most people will (want) to believe what is told to them. It used to work pretty well, before internet, that is...

d
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http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danielportal

 

[richardday]

I think that Hoya will abandon the concept of a roadmap in the very near future. I don't expect it will continue for much longer. This is in line with their absolute clampdown on new model leaks.

They obviously feel that they want to be in complete control of product announcements and avoid the embarrassment and rampant expectations of some users.

I'm sure that they have much more information regarding current and future sales potential than any of the armchair experts in the forums. What they decide to do with regard to that information, is based upon their vision for the future and resources available.

The release of the 645D initially in Japan is concurrent with the "softly softly" approach they seem to have, I expect that if anyone elsewhere is serious enough they will buy one via Japan.

I do expect we shall see some further products this year. What they will be is unknown, but what is certain, is that they won't meet the expectations of everyone! ;-)
--
Richard Day - 'Carpe Diem!'
Gloucester UK

 

[Cideway]

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Chris.

http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/chriside

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Pentax SLR talk FAQ
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[dportal]

lol
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[timo]

I think that Hoya will abandon the concept of a roadmap in the very
near future. I don't expect it will continue for much longer. This is
in line with their absolute clampdown on new model leaks.

From the company's point of view the only value of the roadmap probably was that it reassured people that the brand had a future - and maybe dissuaded them from buying lenses from other manufacturers in the short term. I can't think what other value it had - from Pentax's point of view.

The negative effect of the roadmap has been to raise expectations, followed by endless negativity when the roadmap was not delivered in every particular.

If I were Pentax (what a thought!) I would want to maintain as much freedom of manoeuvre as possible, and only announce new products as and when they were ready, or the financial background made sense.

Any company that's carrying on in present conditions exactly as they might have planned a couple of years ago would be insane.
--
tim

 

[dyusem]

...is also typically considered a region for consumer products.

Well looking at the regions listed, i would say that other is
Oceania, Canada, Central and South America and Africa.
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[arzvael]

So why launch a new roadmap ? This is nonsense.

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[Russell Evans]

Sensational.....but not very accurate.

Come on John, how are newspapers and media going to sell their stuff
if they aren't feeding us sensations? ;-)

If they talked up the economies rather than kept talking them down,
this recession wouldn't have even got a foothold.

No news sells like bad news.

It also gets parties elected and the media was in this Presidential race like none other.

Thank you
Russell

--

'It is impossible to reason a person out of positions they have not been reasoned into'

--Walter Cunningham

 

[janneman02]

...is also typically considered a region for consumer products.

Technically part of Asia

Well looking at the regions listed, i would say that other is
Oceania, Canada, Central and South America and Africa.
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--

The difference between genius and LBA is that genius has its
limits.

• Janneman ( adaptation of the Kings quote from Albert Einstein)

 

[janneman02]

So why launch a new roadmap ? This is nonsense.

Why that long DA tele lens in a small square...

--

The difference between genius and LBA is that genius has its
limits.

• Janneman ( adaptation of the Kings quote from Albert Einstein)

 

[JensR]

Hi Richard!

I think that Hoya will abandon the concept of a roadmap in the very
near future. I don't expect it will continue for much longer. This is
in line with their absolute clampdown on new model leaks.

And yet another step towards a matter-of-fact dealing with the customers and yet another positively different feature of Pentax erased.

They obviously feel that they want to be in complete control of
product announcements and avoid the embarrassment and rampant
expectations of some users.

Rampant expectations? Like expecting a company sticking to its word? #cough cough#

I'm sure that they have much more information regarding current and
future sales potential

Information? Hopefully correct information...
Sales potential - #yummy# the smell of hope.

What they decide to do with regard to that information, is
based upon their vision for the future and resources available.

How true - and still saying nothing at all: Just like Hoya.

The release of the 645D initially in Japan is concurrent with the
"softly softly" approach they seem to have,

You mean just as they "softly softly" chopped items from the roadmap?

I expect that if anyone
elsewhere is serious enough they will buy one via Japan.

It's called "reversed globalisation" with the customers driving it.

I do expect we shall see some further products this year.

Like a new lens case and the silver K200D released?

What they will be is unknown,

Ah, the 60-250 maybe. I mean, Christmas isn't that far away.

but what is certain, is that they won't meet the
expectations of everyone! ;-)

Actually, I would be pleasantly surprised if my expectations regarding Pentax are not fulfilled.

Cheers
Jens

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'Well, 'Zooming with your feet' is usually a stupid thing as zoom rings are designed for hands.' (Me, 2006)
My Homepage: http://www.JensRoesner.de

 

[janneman02]

I think that Hoya will abandon the concept of a roadmap in the very
near future. I don't expect it will continue for much longer. This is
in line with their absolute clampdown on new model leaks.

And yet another step towards a matter-of-fact dealing with the
customers and yet another positively different feature of Pentax
erased.

A roadmap has more to do with facts than rumours and leaks,,,

They obviously feel that they want to be in complete control of
product announcements and avoid the embarrassment and rampant
expectations of some users.

Rampant expectations? Like expecting a company sticking to its word?

1. cough cough#

Yep, it would Pentax/Hoya do much good if they could give a realistic roadmap.
And stick to it. It would generate much more confidence in the company...

I'm sure that they have much more information regarding current and
future sales potential

Information? Hopefully correct information...
Sales potential - #yummy# the smell of hope.

If they do not tell me a DA*30 is coming I will have to buy a Sigma 30/1.4.
Now that will do them good, dont you think?

What they decide to do with regard to that information, is
based upon their vision for the future and resources available.

How true - and still saying nothing at all: Just like Hoya.

So they should be able to give an estimate.

The release of the 645D initially in Japan is concurrent with the
"softly softly" approach they seem to have,

You mean just as they "softly softly" chopped items from the roadmap?

Yikes

I expect that if anyone
elsewhere is serious enough they will buy one via Japan.

It's called "reversed globalisation" with the customers driving it.

I thnik BH will goble up a fair amount

I do expect we shall see some further products this year.

Like a new lens case and the silver K200D released?

Hmm I think more like a DA 18-250L

What they will be is unknown,

Ah, the 60-250 maybe. I mean, Christmas isn't that far away.

Which one?

but what is certain, is that they won't meet the
expectations of everyone! ;-)

Actually, I would be pleasantly surprised if my expectations
regarding Pentax are not fulfilled.

If they release no info on a roadmap, I won't expect anything

Cheers
Jens

--

The difference between genius and LBA is that genius has its
limits.

• Janneman ( adaptation of the Kings quote from Albert Einstein)

 

[Fl_Gulfer]

You can bet the sales in the US are not going up anytime soon. We will be lucky if we are not all unemployed by the end of the year and all the banks aren't goverment run.

We import way more than we export so where is everyone going to work. Walmart is the only company left making a profit, thanks mainly to china labor.

I can't believe you people are worried about camera sales instead of home and auto sales.

You guys are not worried? I sure am and I'm retired. I'm planting my first garden this year and stocking up on canned goods.

 

[dyusem]

Perhaps geographically but not how many CP companies oftentimes break-out revenue, market and organize operations.

Technically part of Asia

Well looking at the regions listed, i would say that other is
Oceania, Canada, Central and South America and Africa.

 

[Joseph Tainter]

Sensational.....but not very accurate. Certain market data shows the
DSLR sales are one of the few Consumer Electronics catagories showing
growth.
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Source:

Mitsubishi UFJ Securities, reporting CIPA January Digital Camera Statistics.

But I need to make one correction: The numbers are shipments, not sales. Presumably shipments reflect what retailers order. So this reflects retailer expectations. At some point, of course, shipments translate into sales. You can't sell gear you haven't got.

But I hope John is correct.

Joe

 

[DagT]

Well looking at the regions listed, i would say that other is
Oceania, Canada, Central and South America and Africa.
--
Chris.

If they by "Europe" mean the EU then Norway is among "Others" and here they predict a small increase in dslr sales, about 15%.

Not all countries are that affected by the crisis, especially not those who don´t depend on borrowed money.

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DagT