Why are Nikon/Canon not offering radio remote flash power control?

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The technology is and has been there for a while, and the limitations of CLS compared to radio remotes are well known.
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Best Regards,
Renato

'The world is going to pieces and people like Weston and Adams are photographing rocks.' Henri Cartier Bresson, in the 1930's
 
Just read a manual from one of those two manufacturers as an English speaker. They can't even be bothered to hire a decent translator and it's been what, 40 years for them to learn the value of it? We've got some waiting to do...
-Kent
 
Nailed it. Too much trouble to go through for something that is so different from country to country. Infrared = works worldwide without restrictions. I do agree it would be nice if they built it in or even made it an optional add-on but the aftermarket has covered that.
It's and FCC vs. CE thing. No uniform global frequency standard.
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It's and FCC vs. CE thing. No uniform global frequency standard.
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Well, there are a very limited number of standards to design for since all the countries of interest for sales are members of the ITU and have adopted band use plans that provide many options for low power wireless signaling without licenses.

There is existing off the self monolithic modules which are type accepted into Asia, EU, US and all other major markets.

I built my own using simple and legal UHF modules that are very small, the chips themselves are .5 cm on a side. There is no technical or regulation reason preventing building wireless signalling links. The actually circuits involved with light signaling and detection are more involved due to higher noise, lower power, no discrete channels with IR light, lower noise detectors and more modulation recovery sharping needed to clean up the pulses, normal restrictions on signalling data rates.

A single RF unit is each device would be use in every country, with very simple county selection with a single solder jumper to set them to the country they are sold in. That is done with hundreds of types of consumer products now, some very cheap devices.

The RF links, if data is coupled directly inside the unit to the transmitter, are simpler, longer ranged and capable of sending data reliably at much higher data rates, not to mention the reduced cost compared to IR signalling. Another major advantage is the natural channelized nature of RF links, dozens or hundreds of different channels can be used with high levels of discrimination between them. IR noise pollution can make IR systems useless even without multiple emitters in the same vicinity.

Obviously it will be a standard feature soon in any competitive camera/flash unit.

Why pay $150 for a remote receiver when it can be built in for less than $10 and if the IR subsystem was eliminated, there would be a net savings.
 
It would be awesome if Sigma/Metz/etc. would add this to their E-TTL compatible flashes. They reverse engineer the specs anyway, so it isn't as though Canon can really gripe at them, and I think that it would gain them some serious market share. I know that I would do the math (580EX II for $430 + radiopopper for $250 vs. whatever a Sigma 530 DG Super would cost with the added radio feature). It would be pretty tempting...
 
It would be awesome if Sigma/Metz/etc. would add this to their E-TTL
compatible flashes. They reverse engineer the specs anyway, so it
isn't as though Canon can really gripe at them, and I think that it
would gain them some serious market share. I know that I would do
the math (580EX II for $430 + radiopopper for $250 vs. whatever a
Sigma 530 DG Super would cost with the added radio feature). It
would be pretty tempting...
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Quantum have already done this with Qflash, Freexwire and the imminent "Trio".

On top of this, they have flashes in the system with realistic power output too. Their radio system is the same, worldwide. No different frequencies for Europe and the USA. Their heads will do what an off camera flash should do, in being able to take an assortment of modifiers (Reflectors, Grids, softboxes, etc).

I'm always surprised when people keep asking for something that is already available and dont realise how "Awesome" it already is.

For support, you can actually call the factory and speak to them. To my knowledge, Nikon, Canon, Metz or Sigma etc, dont provide this level of support (to the everyday user) or indeed, this level of product.
 
They are very nice systems though. I used some older quantums some time ago, when I was shopping for portable flashes I ended up going with sunpak 120j's to get similar functionality at a much lower cost. If quantum would come out with a low end manual power flash with built in radio Id buy 3 or 4 of them.
 
I'm always surprised when people keep asking for something that is
already available and dont realise how "Awesome" it already is.

For support, you can actually call the factory and speak to them. To
my knowledge, Nikon, Canon, Metz or Sigma etc, dont provide this
level of support (to the everyday user) or indeed, this level of
product.
I stand corrected. I guess that I'll just have to stop rolling up $100 bills to light my Cuban cigars with so that I can afford these in the future. =} Seriously though, I am glad that you pointed these out though. I have heard of the brand long ago but stopped reading when I saw the price tag (and before reading what they could do). I am not a professional and can't afford the high end equipment for my "hobby".
 
Yes, we paid quantum prices and got quantum quality, the Sunpak is good value for the money but not the same league. I have use both of them.

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Hoping to see/shoot as much as I can before the eyes and legs gives way

WOW you were able to do that without photoshop!!!!
 
After reading spbStan's detailed discussion of the technical issues related to this, and knowing how many other manufacturers have radio remotes doing the work out there, I tend to agree with Kent Johnson's"mindset" take on this. It's not Profoto, Quantum & co only, it's now Paul Buff and the Radio Popper's guys moving on, and for the likes of Nikon and Canon to stay with an optical based system (while coming up with non-inexpensive new units like the SB 900) just does not seem to be customer friendly or proactive marketing.
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Best Regards,
Renato

'The world is going to pieces and people like Weston and Adams are photographing rocks.' Henri Cartier Bresson, in the 1930's
 
I have no doubt that Nikon and Canon will "eventually" launch radio TTL in their flash guns once they have exhausted the profit to be made from their IR offerings to the enthusiast market, which from their perspective, is not insignificant.

People need to realise, Nikon and Canon etc are in business (at an extremely high level) their intention is to take your money, not to pander to your "wish lists". As any quick browse through this forum alone will indicate, there are plenty of "patrons" that will keep Nikon and Canon etc, perfectly happy with what they are offering at the moment, without them worrying about having to rush out new developments.

Personally, as I need the tools to do the job, yesterday, I will source whoever is making them and pay what it costs. I will do that because any professional worth his salt should be able to make the kit, not only pay for itself, but generate a profit that justifies its purchase.

Kit is "tools" to a professional and "toys" to an enthusiast. There are more people buying toys than tools and the manufacturers are fully aware of this.

Even photographers (professional) have recognised the earning potential of the enthusiast sector in that so many are selling "coaching" (or the holy grail, lol) to it.

"Gear heads" and "wannabes" are like a cash cow, not only to manufacturers but more and more now, to photographers as well.

Every cloud has a silver lining
 
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"limitations of CLS"

What are those? - Apart from extreme ranges that most people don't require.

I see a lot of adverse opinions on dpr by people who have clearly never used CLS.

I am very impressed with CLS and recommend Joe McNally's new Nikon DVD - A Hands-on Guide to Creative Lighting to those who doubt CLS's capabilities.

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If it works for you, stick with it.

"Photographers" have been lighting scenes for nearly a hundred years, even without "CLS". Its knowing what to do with the light that matters, not how to fire it.

Top respect for Joe McNally, I bet he's making a fortune from enthusiasts.
 
By the way, I've never used CLS.

I was taught to make my own creative lighting without hoping the camera would do it for me.
 
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Wow! Consecutive posts from a wedding "photographer" who has never used CLS. Very helpful.
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If it works for you, stick with it.

"Photographers" have been lighting scenes for nearly a hundred years,
even without "CLS". Its knowing what to do with the light that
matters, not how to fire it.

Top respect for Joe McNally, I bet he's making a fortune from
enthusiasts.
I'm willing to bet Joe was making plenty of money before Nikon paid him to be in their video.

I have to admit, the video really does take CLS to the extreme without using non-Nikon equipment to do difficult lighting setups. (where most of us might resort to using Radio Poppers, etc.) I think a lot of it depends on what equipment you have available to you as well as budget and ease of use. Some people might find it easier to stick with what they know rather than try and learn some other setup/system/electronic device.

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There are no rules for good photographs, there are only good photographs. - Ansel Adams
 

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