Tom, you have hit on my issue exactly. There are GREAT things about the D700, but the color on the D2Hs is better than the D700/D3 sensor. I wish I could know what "tweaks" I can make to make the output look similar. I AM NOT CRAZY!!
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Am I crazy? I'm returning my D700 and keeping the D2Hs.
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Actually, if you return the camera now and go for the lens and tripod you certainly can change your mind later and buy again the camera at a lower price guaranteed as camera prices go only down, while is highly unlikely that the lens and the tripod prices will decrease with time.
Iliah Borg
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If I will fail to see your problem, there is a lot of bright people here who are always willing to help.
That is why I suggested that you make NEFs available.
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Steve Bingham
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This is generally handled when converting your raw file. You should be setting your converter for skin tones if that is what you want. Better yet, make your OWN camera profiles. Easy to do with PS CS3 or 4 and ACR (downloadable from Adobe). When shooting landscapes, use the landscape profile. There are three profiles for handling skin tones.
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Rocco Galatioto
Leading Member
I had a pair of D2H's and loved the whole ergonomics, handling etc. I never liked the skin tones. They had a pasty almost water color feel to them. They also appeared pinkish yellow. Also the noise level in the shadows was terrible on cloudy days.
To each his own. Just my two cents.
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Rocco Galatioto
To each his own. Just my two cents.
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Waldo_O
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Hey, Iliah among others have offered some help, I'd take them up on it of I were you. Just a suggestion.
Keith
tissunique
Senior Member
I don't think you are crazy. The D2Hs is a rather unique and special animal and you want to spend on lenses. Sounds pretty sensible to me providing your primary subject matter is what teh camera does best.
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tissunique
Senior Member
The D2Hs is a very different camera to the D2H especially in the area of noise.
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tissunique
Senior Member
Why a waste? 21-36mm represents very useful and very sharp coverage from one of the truly great lenses. Also if the poster goes FX it will be perfect.
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Tony
At some point when we start getting older, we realize that we don't want to relearn what we already know. you know how to use your old camera and don't enjoy having to almost start from the beginning again. Thats not crazy.
If you cant find a quick fix for the D700 then keep your old cam.
I was chatting with a pro photographer taking pictures of our theater show last month. She was happy with her D700 but unhappy with the skin tones compared to her Fuji. I hope she and you figure out how to get those skin tones as you like em.
Guy Moscoso
If you cant find a quick fix for the D700 then keep your old cam.
I was chatting with a pro photographer taking pictures of our theater show last month. She was happy with her D700 but unhappy with the skin tones compared to her Fuji. I hope she and you figure out how to get those skin tones as you like em.
Guy Moscoso
Hi NDJD,
I am coming from D200 and I recently got a D3.
Take a look here:
http://imaging.nikon.com/products/imaging/lineup/picturecontrol/other/approximation.htm
You will notice also that for every older camera the brightness is set to -1. The new Nikon processing is doing something to the midtones.
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Panagiotis
I am coming from D200 and I recently got a D3.
Take a look here:
http://imaging.nikon.com/products/imaging/lineup/picturecontrol/other/approximation.htm
You will notice also that for every older camera the brightness is set to -1. The new Nikon processing is doing something to the midtones.
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Panagiotis
Ravncat
Senior Member
You might want to try downloading the D2x MODE II and mode I picture controls if you haven't already - also look at the portrait mode... They do seem to impact the colors quite a bit
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RomanJohnston
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Every photographer needs to explore and use the tool that best fitst their needs...and the D2Hs is a very nice tool....a bit dated, but still extreemly effective.
If that is the tool that best fits YOUR need.....
Then send back the D700 and dont look back.
I will tell you this though....the D700 is quite a comples camera with more options than even the D2H has....you might want to fully explore them before you send it back...might just take a while of getting used to before you get the results you want from the camera. Maybe ask a few people you admire here on the board that use the camera what settings they use and see if that helps you like the files a little better...
But in the end....don't ask people here if your crazy or not....no one here has the same needs as you....so your answer will be squeued.
Roman
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The GOAL of a photographer is to use their craft to capture it.
You CANT have one without the other.
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If that is the tool that best fits YOUR need.....
Then send back the D700 and dont look back.
I will tell you this though....the D700 is quite a comples camera with more options than even the D2H has....you might want to fully explore them before you send it back...might just take a while of getting used to before you get the results you want from the camera. Maybe ask a few people you admire here on the board that use the camera what settings they use and see if that helps you like the files a little better...
But in the end....don't ask people here if your crazy or not....no one here has the same needs as you....so your answer will be squeued.
Roman
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The SOUL of a photographer is in SEEING the beauty ....
The GOAL of a photographer is to use their craft to capture it.
You CANT have one without the other.
http://www.pbase.com/romansphotos/
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whenever I moved from one digital camera to another it took me weeks if not several month to get accustomed to the changes in the look of the images. With film we expected these differences why not with digital sensors.
It is amazing how some adjustments are done "automatic" in PP after 1k to 3k images.
With the D3 and ACR with my own camera "profiles" I use the smallest amount of changes in PP ever. Perhaps I improved , perhaps the camera and ACR improved or both.
whenever I moved from one digital camera to another it took me weeks if not several month to get accustomed to the changes in the look of the images. With film we expected these differences why not with digital sensors.
It is amazing how some adjustments are done "automatic" in PP after 1k to 3k images.
With the D3 and ACR with my own camera "profiles" I use the smallest amount of changes in PP ever. Perhaps I improved , perhaps the camera and ACR improved or both.
I am only 47 and even though I have been a nerd who loves to read manuals from front to back several times, I have noticed that my interest in doing so has waned since I turned 40!
Of course there are several factors. One is the increased complexity and increased feature set of the gear. Second it is the lack of quality of the manuals. Third, we expect that there should be more help files allowing us to skip the manual altogether. Forth, the more they continue to reuse phrases, like calling contrast CONTRAST and not TONE, the easier it is to adjust settings.
For example why use the term PICTURE CONTROL when they could have called it CAMERA EMULATION. You don't want to reinvent the wheel each time you upgrade bodies.
Oh and by the way I am not shouting with all caps, it is just that I cant find the quotation marks or parenthesis on my keyboard. My Danish keyboard gets remapped to English when resources get low.
Guy Moscoso
Of course there are several factors. One is the increased complexity and increased feature set of the gear. Second it is the lack of quality of the manuals. Third, we expect that there should be more help files allowing us to skip the manual altogether. Forth, the more they continue to reuse phrases, like calling contrast CONTRAST and not TONE, the easier it is to adjust settings.
For example why use the term PICTURE CONTROL when they could have called it CAMERA EMULATION. You don't want to reinvent the wheel each time you upgrade bodies.
Oh and by the way I am not shouting with all caps, it is just that I cant find the quotation marks or parenthesis on my keyboard. My Danish keyboard gets remapped to English when resources get low.
Guy Moscoso
Guy, I'm only 42!!
You're not crazy for having a preference, nor for acting on it.
Now if you started to make wild claims about the D2HS being better (in any general sense, for everyone else) than the D700– now that would be crazy.
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Now if you started to make wild claims about the D2HS being better (in any general sense, for everyone else) than the D700– now that would be crazy.
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Astro Landscapes
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I really could leave it at that and say "NT" and let you figure out what I'm trying to say, but I probably ought to elaborate: The bottom line is that I HIGHLY DOUBT you were blowing yourself away with the D2Hs within 48 hours of picking it up and snapping a couple hundred images.
The error is, you're assuming that having mastered the D2H, the D700 will perform identically. It does not work that way. If you buy a new camera, especially with a massive generation gap, then you need to re-master... I shot hundreds of thousands of images with my D70's, and D200. But I still didn't feel like I had achieved "nirvana" with the D300 until about 30,000 / 40,000 images. Maybe it's just me, but I think there is no substitute for experience and practice...
Good luck!
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The error is, you're assuming that having mastered the D2H, the D700 will perform identically. It does not work that way. If you buy a new camera, especially with a massive generation gap, then you need to re-master... I shot hundreds of thousands of images with my D70's, and D200. But I still didn't feel like I had achieved "nirvana" with the D300 until about 30,000 / 40,000 images. Maybe it's just me, but I think there is no substitute for experience and practice...
Good luck!
=Matt=
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Cameras capable of making great photographs have become commonplace these days, but photographers have not. While technical innovations have made photography ever easier in recent decades, the art of producing images that other people will care about has become even more formidable. - Galen Rowell
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