3 new Pentax DSLR in 2009 !

Next year, we are planning to launch some three types, including
minor design change versions, of single-lens reflex (SLR) cameras.
Three types could be:
three categories of camera, p&s, film, digital slr, or p&s, bridge, dslr
three levels of camera models, Kx000, Kx00, Kx0,
three sensor sizes, p&s size, APS-C, 135, or p&s size, APS-C, and medium format,
three manufacturing designations, Samsung, Pentax, and OEM rebadge,
three ...

Thank you
Russell
 
The issue is people want to see that FF camera in the line up, as
well as huge lenses they would never buy.
Pentax should adapt the 60-250mm strategy for these things then. Announce to the unwashed masses it is all coming, announce the specs to make seem real, put a ridiculous price on it so no one in their right mind would pre-order it. And who said Pentax doesn't know how to do marketing?

The 60-250mm, opiate of the Pentax masses.

Thank you
Russell
 
True.
But, hopefully they will make a new one so that we can put 2 batteries in it.
A camera model with 2 SD card slots would be cool too.

An AF assist lamp will be a good improvement. It probably uses less battery than the pop up flash.

I think adding this MINOR upgrades (less than say, a 3" screen) will really make the k30d a worthy upgrade (especially for those still with a k10d).
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The issue is people want to see that FF camera in the line up, as
well as huge lenses they would never buy.
Pentax should adapt the 60-250mm strategy for these things then.
Announce to the unwashed masses it is all coming, announce the specs
to make seem real, put a ridiculous price on it so no one in their
right mind would pre-order it. And who said Pentax doesn't know how
to do marketing?

The 60-250mm, opiate of the Pentax masses.

Thank you
Russell
Well, the 645D was announced a few years ago. Maybe they need to re-announce it. ;-)

Another point is the actual utility of FF for the vast majority, washed or not. I can see it for extreme high ISO use. You can also get a more shallow DOF at wider angles. However, I mainly see FF cameras in the field that are using longer glass. They are not gaining any advantage but are actually sinking more money to get the enough edge resolution and longer glass to make up for the lack of a crop factor. You also end up with a horribly expensive kit that is huge.
 
Remember the phrase: "creating unique
cameras of a new and different field"?.
That plus the emphasis on compact & rugged sounds like a hint of maybe moving toward some kind of EVIL micromount.
 
The urban legend is missing: Pentax is doomed ... of course. ;-)

SCNR - had to write this as nobody had done this earlier in this thread.

SpaceDoc [looking forward to the next good developement by Pentax]
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Remember the phrase: "creating unique
cameras of a new and different field"?.
That plus the emphasis on compact & rugged sounds like a hint of
maybe moving toward some kind of EVIL micromount.
Paul,

I think this possibility is the faintest of all for a large number of motifs such as:
  • for this kind of camera a new type of AF is needed, Pentax must cure its traditional AF system;
  • new lenses (micro K) are needed and Pentax has lots of holes in its current system;
  • if Samsung announces micro whatever mount in 2010 do you really believe that Pentax could do it sooner? All things combined in electronics Samsung is much more potent and knowledgable than Pentax I think;
  • Panasonic has a try and the sales allready slump in Japan although the camera is capable to say the least.
IMO there is no way Pentax won't focus on traditional dslrs for the next year!

Regards,
Radu
 
This was my take exactly after reading the whole report.

Clearly Hoya is preparing a big push for Pentax DSLRs, with product strategy and marketing centered around weatherproof and small.

It's the polar opposite of what Thom Hogan recently predicted for Pentax. In full cognizance of both the recent huge drop in DSLR sales and of worse yet to come, Hoya, far from giving up on Pentax, is preparing relaunch Pentax DSLR cameras and accessories with renewed strength. And, the renewed emphasis on a niche will help protect them from the mainstream market dominance of Nikon & Canon.

(here are the details of Thom Hogan's recent predictions about Pentax)
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=29980583

I'd say Pentax's future looks rather bright.

Greg
"Essentially, the products we are now producing and selling were
developed last
summer or autumn, with a roadmap that lacked strategy in my view. "

"lacked strategy". When I went to business school, I was taught that
when you are not the big player, you have to have some Unique Selling
Point to get people to notice you. This is what I believe he is
referring to.

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"As I said in the previous meeting, we remade a completely new
roadmap for the next fiscal year in accordance with the "scrap &
build" policy:"

"scrap" the old roadmap - so they started anew, presumably with an
emphasis on the USPs that they determined would be strategic.

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" creating unique cameras of a new and different field, "

"unique", "new", "different". they will try to put an emphasis on
something that the others don't really offer, both in marketing and
in the development of the product. so what is this new emphasis?

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"we will relaunch ourselves next year as a manufacturer of all-weather
cameras which are strong outdoors, highly water-resistnat,
splash-proof, and dustproof,small and light, easily portable and
tough (durable)."

"relaunch", so they want to change their whole market positioning. he
could not be clearer on what the positioning will be

1) strong, resistant, dust/splash-proof, tough, durable
2) small, light, easily portable

point 2 seems to also be confirmed by the recent Samsung interview:

"The GX-20 was not very different in appearance to the GX10," he
admitted, "but from the GX-20 to the next model will be a much bigger
change." He would not reveal any specific features, specifications or
even the name of the new camera except that it would be SMALLER IN
SIZE THAN ITS PREDECESSORS, and would be launched in the second half
of 2009."
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The APS-H rumour has been around for a long time, I remember before
the launch of the K20D, a lot of people thought it was going to have
an APS-H sensor.
Anyway I don't think it's that wise to have a multicrop sensor, too
confusing for the general photographer public IMHO.
A multi crop camera would not be for the general public, but for more experienced users, so I do not think it will be a problem.
It would also
mean new lenses to match to it, that's not as easy as it seems,
particularly in these times.
The 3 DSLR cameras will be:
K20D GPS - early 2009 - about 15% more than the "regular" K20D;
Well OK, why not.
K20D's successor - spring 2009 -
If the K20D GPS is real, that's probably a stopgap mesure to make us
wait until the K30 is ready, it means probably summer 2009 or even
autumn...
That's the most awaited camera because it's the flagship.
they just officialy postponed DA*
60-250 for Spring 2009 - "and releasing and commencing the marketing
of interchangeable lenses at the same time as new cameras";
Hey! I hope you're not serious about the DA* 60-250! This lens is
already 2 years late. Enough is enough.
K200D successor - as close as possible (maybe in the same time) .
A K300 is easy to build: just get the K20D sensor in it, upgrade 2 or
3 things, maybe even put a second dial. This is the camera that will
bring the most money because there will be almost no new R&D on it
and will sell well.
645D could be a victim of the current state of the economy or maybe not.
I think nobody expect it now. Like the 60-250 the wait has been too
long and now everybody has found alter alternatives.

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Sorry, Roland, but the quote from the report is:

"Next year, we are planning to launch some three types, including
minor design
change versions, of single-lens reflex (SLR) cameras."

So they are 3 DSLR with the 645D in suspension ATM.
Doesn't the 645D qualify as a DSLR? No? :)

Peter

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  • for this kind of camera a new type of AF is needed, Pentax must
cure its traditional AF system;
As seen in the K20D they have no contrast based AF algorithm ready for a liveview system.
  • new lenses (micro K) are needed and Pentax has lots of holes in its
current system;
But IMHO this where Pentax has the better expertise: optical products.
IMO there is no way Pentax won't focus on traditional dslrs for the
next year!
I agree, and for a successful EVIL they need at least 3 things: fast contrast AF, good EVF and a new mount because the K-mount would be a huge waste of space. And up to now Pentax never showed big abilities in pure electronics so it would be a huge surprise if they could pull it off in 2009.

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Manu

 
The APS-H rumour has been around for a long time, I remember before
the launch of the K20D, a lot of people thought it was going to have
an APS-H sensor.
Anyway I don't think it's that wise to have a multicrop sensor, too
confusing for the general photographer public IMHO.
A multi crop camera would not be for the general public, but for more
experienced users, so I do not think it will be a problem.
Hi Lance,

When they said "niche" they didn't mean "obscure" ;-) "More experienced users" are far from being the majority IMHO.

Seriously, I cannot imagine a multicrop sensor with the current lens line-up. They would have to recertify every lens to know which one is compatible with which crop, etc. And for example, even if the DA40 works on FF, can they guarantee it will worth the Limited label on anything but APS-C crop?

Another thing, FF win you "only" 1 stop, and APS-H maybe 1/2 stop. IMHO the cost of producing something that may render a lot of DA lenses incompatible or not performing at their best (including the DA* 16-50 and 50-135) is not worth it and I cannot see Hoya/Pentax following that road.

Instead, they will probably concentrate on what makes them unique at this point: weathersealing for under 1000$. They should offer more lenses with SDM, even kit lenses just like Canon and Nikon do. They should also offer more weathersealed lenses to match the bodies. A sub-1000$ combo with weathersealing marketed with a big horn should sell very well.

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Manu

 
Sorry, Roland, but the quote from the report is:

"Next year, we are planning to launch some three types, including
minor design
change versions, of single-lens reflex (SLR) cameras."

So they are 3 DSLR with the 645D in suspension ATM.
Doesn't the 645D qualify as a DSLR? No? :)
Yes, of course, Peter, but like I and many others said before in this thread I think we analyse on semantics that are not really there.

I stand up by my prediction: K20D GPS + K20D' succesor + K200D' succesor are those 3 models we know there will be launched.

Regards,
Radu
 
Now that we are talking about types....
There is an argumnet growning of types vs. models.
But please look carefully, they say "3 types of SLR's". Yes, SLR!!!
Not DSLR!!!!!
Together with "type" this may mean only one thing:
There will be a dslr but something different would be to launch a SLR
(yes, film based) (why bother iwth SLR instead of dslr if there was
not te be a SLR??)
How about: a thoroughly modern 67 - 67S, say - a compact body with a hybrid see-though finder and center-only mirror (smaller mirror=no mirror slap) and an LCD shutter to eliminate most noise and shake.

Or a TLR version of the 67! It'd know what the attached lens is, so the focusing zoom lens would adapt itself accordingly.

Or, a Pentax 67 or 645 with a replaceable back - and it's offered with film back only, or film and Pentax' first, hobbyist-focused MF digital back. Heck, even make the back format compatible with the Mamiya/Leaf system; that system is open after all, and it'd enlarge the market both for the back and for Mamiya's (and others') bodies as well. If Nikon thinks they can sell a warmed-over 35mm camera for $8000 I can certainly believe Pentax could do a great hobby-level back for less.
Third type will be Pentax Evil thing.... it is some sort of slr but
of a different type..., no?
Pentax will call it a mini slr or whatever....
Digital 6x6 TLR. That's my belief and I stand by it.

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