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Hoya announces financial reports result of 2008 (2nd quarter) including 3 new Pentax DSLRs !

quote :

Next year, we are planning to launch some three types, including minor design

change versions, of single-lens reflex (SLR) cameras. With a desire to offer cameras
which will demonstrate our advantages, as announced in the Photokina held in
Germany, we will relaunch ourselves next year as a manufacturer of all-weather

cameras which are strong outdoors, highly water-resistnat, splash-proof, and dustproof,
small and light, easily portable and tough (durable).

link http://www.hoya.co.jp/english/investor/2009_2Q_meeting_summary.pdf
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Alexius
 
I will copy without shame my post on the matter from the other forum:

IMO the most interesting quote from the report is:

"Essentially, the products we are now producing and selling were developed last

summer or autumn, with a roadmap that lacked strategy in my view. As I said in the previous meeting, we remade a completely new roadmap for the next fiscal year in accordance with the "scrap & build" policy: creating unique cameras of a new and different field, and releasing and commencing the marketing of interchangeable lenses at the same time as new cameras."

What that new strategy would mean? IMO the only working one is to sidestep the current "classes" of DSLR with interleaved cameras that can appeal to both the upper and lower potential customers. Let me explain:

The K-m will become cheaper and it will be the entry gate to the K-mount system. It's advantages are the 2 kit lenses that provide a fl of 18-200 (27-300) in stabilized optics. Nothing special so far but the interesting part begins now.

K200D successor COULD be a K20D in different clothes ... err, body. And I mean "K20D" with all its amenities: pentaprism, 2 wheels control maybe even GPS module. Now if Pentax can sell the K20D @ under 700USD and about 620 Euro I see no reason why they couldn't sell a smaller, more compact and lighter model build in more volume for the same amount. They'll need desperately 2 things to make it sellable and arguably the best offer on the market in price/features/quality: a good LV and weather sealed consumer lenses in form of BOTH kit lens and a longer DA zoom (18-105) and maybe a ws version of the DA 18-250. You can see the insistence of Hoya on this features in the quoted paragraph.

I take as certain an improved version of the 14,6Mp sensor and a new AF system (the same new module but less AF points than the K20D's successor - 9 or 11 points I think) and a bigger LCD on the back (maybe we'll lose the LCD on top for cost reduction and target audience purposes).

This camera will provide a very tempting proposition in this times of economical downfall for people that will seek more and more the best value for their money and less the front badge. Remember that C and N both have to keep some features off their entry and even mid level cameras for reasons that has to do with their upper range or their marketing policy (no in body stabilization maybe ever for them). Also the 14 Mp sensor was quoted by Samsung as their choice for the micro mount camera TBL in 2010 so it is in the cards as mainstream sensor and the more they make the lower the cost per unit will get.

The "ubber camera" could very well be the most innovative proposition for a long time on the market. Remember the phrase: "creating unique cameras of a new and different field"?. Pentax at the moment is not tied up by a single sensor manufacturer, the times when they had the left over's from Sony's table are long over and their official partner is arguably one of the largest semiconductor company in the world. So what I see is a camera that will fight both lower end FF and higher end APS-C with the biggest sensor they can make with a single step process. The size doesn't matter much (APS-H or else) but it will be at least 30% larger in area IMHO and both Samsung and Pentax will throw all their prowess in this puppy. Also this camera could employ a smart crop factor for the DA lenses based on their individual characteristics determined by Pentax. If you mount a DA lens the camera will let you select the crop factor (like we select the fl for SR purposes on older lenses) so the lens won't vignette too much and/or have bad corners. This crop factor could be 1,5x for some or at your choice 1,5-1,4-1,3 for others (DA 70 for example).

So, at least we can have a 13-15 Mp crop for strictly APS-C lenses or over 20 Mp in original size for a reasonable price.

The 3 DSLR cameras will be:
K20D GPS - early 2009 - about 15% more than the "regular" K20D;

K20D's successor - spring 2009 - they just officialy postponed DA* 60-250 for Spring 2009 - "and releasing and commencing the marketing of interchangeable lenses at the same time as new cameras";
K200D successor - as close as possible (maybe in the same time) .

645D could be a victim of the current state of the economy or maybe not.

Obviously:
  • the 2 new cameras will have new image processors;
  • no new mounts
Regards,
Radu
 
Hey hey don't get too excited people. It says 'including minor design
change versions'. So that could be k200d Super, K20d Super, and one "new camera"

Paul
So 2 would be K300d and K30d, what is 3? Are we going to see a full
frame or medium format digital? I think this is the year of
reckoning for hoya's SLR division, let's hope they get it right.

Eric

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we will relaunch ourselves next year as a manufacturer of all-weather
cameras which are strong outdoors, highly water-resistant, splash-proof, and
dustproof, small and light, easily portable and tough (durable).
What will the MINOR changes be?

Higher prices?

I am quite happy a bought a K200D and not a K-m.
 
Hey hey don't get too excited people. It says 'including minor design
change versions'. So that could be k200d Super, K20d Super, and one
"new camera"
No need to upgrade a K100D Super or a K200D.

The difference between the K100D and the K100D Super is bigger than the difference between the K100D Super and the K200D.
 
It will be interesting what those 3 new ones are. Hopefully, it will include a full frame model. Nikon is using the 24mp full frame Sony CMOS sensor in its D3X, showing that it is available. Perhaps Pentax will take advantage of it or else Samsung can come up with a full frame chip of its own. Pentax is now the only 35mm DSLR maker out of the original Big 6 not to have a full frame DSLR. The other members of the Big 6 with full frame models are of course Minolta (Sony), Nikon, and Canon. 2 members of the Big 6, i.e. Konica and Olympus, have either folded or stopped making 35mm format SLR cameras.
Hoya announces financial reports result of 2008 (2nd quarter)
including 3 new Pentax DSLRs !

quote :

Next year, we are planning to launch some three types, including
minor design
change versions, of single-lens reflex (SLR) cameras. With a desire
to offer cameras
which will demonstrate our advantages, as announced in the Photokina
held in
Germany, we will relaunch ourselves next year as a manufacturer of
all-weather
cameras which are strong outdoors, highly water-resistnat,
splash-proof, and dustproof,
small and light, easily portable and tough (durable).

link http://www.hoya.co.jp/english/investor/2009_2Q_meeting_summary.pdf
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Alexius
 
Is "three types of cameras" really the same as 3 models?
What does "type of camera" mean?
Well, SLR is a type of camera. A medium format is another type.

"type of camera" can mean a lot of things. I don't interpret it automatically as three models. They must have choosen "types of cameras" instead of "models" for a reason.

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Take care
R
http://www.flickr.com/photos/raphaelmabo
 
Is "three types of cameras" really the same as 3 models?
What does "type of camera" mean?
Well, SLR is a type of camera. A medium format is another type.
"type of camera" can mean a lot of things. I don't interpret it
automatically as three models. They must have choosen "types of
cameras" instead of "models" for a reason.

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Take care
R
http://www.flickr.com/photos/raphaelmabo
Sorry, Roland, but the quote from the report is:

"Next year, we are planning to launch some three types, including minor design
change versions, of single-lens reflex (SLR) cameras."

So they are 3 DSLR with the 645D in suspension ATM.

Regards,
Radu
 
Wonderful news even if the news lacks details, which we will fill in with our speculations until a time that Pentax releases real details.

Right now from Pentax/Hoya/Samsung announcements that there will be new camera(s) coming out in 2009. The cameras might have:
1. FF digital image quality (Pentax announcement)
2. Smaller body (Samsung & Hoya announcement).
3. All-weather & durable bodies (Hoya announcement)

One would assume that two of the new bodies will be the K200D and K20D replacements. The third might be an K2000D/K-m update or a true pro-level camera with features above the K20D replacement.

Then again the use of the word "type" is intersting. Maybe they will get out an EVIL type of camera or a MF type of camera.

It will be an interesting PMA early next year.

Dave
 
I agree. When I read "some three types, including minor design change versions, of single-lens reflex (SLR) cameras.", my understanding is that they will have three types of cameras, and one of these types will be the slightly redesigned SLRs. I'd guess a second type would be a line of waterproof/rugged P&S cameras, and the third type...oh well, there's always the 645D.
Is "three types of cameras" really the same as 3 models?
What does "type of camera" mean?
Well, SLR is a type of camera. A medium format is another type.
"type of camera" can mean a lot of things. I don't interpret it
automatically as three models. They must have choosen "types of
cameras" instead of "models" for a reason.

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Take care
R
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I will copy without shame my post on the matter from the other forum:

IMO the most interesting quote from the report is:

"Essentially, the products we are now producing and selling were
developed last
summer or autumn, with a roadmap that lacked strategy in my view. As
I said in the previous meeting, we remade a completely new roadmap
for the next fiscal year in accordance with the "scrap & build"
policy: creating unique cameras of a new and different field, and
releasing and commencing the marketing of interchangeable lenses at
the same time as new cameras."
Maybe we will finally be getting mid-level weather-sealed lenses. Like a 18-135 with weather-seals to go with the new mid-level camera K300. Both release at the same time.

{snip}

Dave
 
"Next year, we are planning to launch some three types, including minor design
change versions, of single-lens reflex (SLR) cameras."
So they are 3 DSLR with the 645D in suspension ATM.
But three types of SLR's are not the same as three DSLR models or three DSLR's.
Types is types and models are models. Types are not models.
For example, The *ist DL and *ist DS were one type of camera but two models.

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Take care
R
http://www.flickr.com/photos/raphaelmabo
 
The difference between the K100D and the K100D Super is bigger than
the difference between the K100D Super and the K200D.
It depends on how you look at it.

The K100D Super has an improved SR function, an anti-dust function and the power contacts for SDM. But it is in functions and features and circuit board and camera design essentially the same as the K100D.

The K200D has a different imaging pipeline with 10Mp Sony CCD and different image processor compared to the 6Mp K100D Super. It also adds weather sealing, new firmware with more JPEG-options, RAW-to-JPEG processing, adjustable noise reduction and so on. LCD on the back is also larger.

I would say that the step from K100D Super to K200D is bigger than the step from K100D to K100D Super.
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Take care
R
http://www.flickr.com/photos/raphaelmabo
 
"Next year, we are planning to launch some three types, including minor design
change versions, of single-lens reflex (SLR) cameras."
So they are 3 DSLR with the 645D in suspension ATM.
But three types of SLR's are not the same as three DSLR models or
three DSLR's.
Types is types and models are models. Types are not models.
For example, The *ist DL and *ist DS were one type of camera but two
models.

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Take care
R
Roland,

I really think that you and me (two non-native English speakers) try to extract nuances of another one's non-native English speaker which may be a futile exercise. ATM for sure there will be 2 new models and the K20D + GPS ("minor design change version"). I would like to see the 645D also and I think it will make the best hi end possible for Pentax.

Regards,
Radu
 
I knew that you were coming to say that Pentax would release a FF with SONY sensor. The reliance on Sony is not good IMHO.
Hoya announces financial reports result of 2008 (2nd quarter)
including 3 new Pentax DSLRs !

quote :

Next year, we are planning to launch some three types, including
minor design
change versions, of single-lens reflex (SLR) cameras. With a desire
to offer cameras
which will demonstrate our advantages, as announced in the Photokina
held in
Germany, we will relaunch ourselves next year as a manufacturer of
all-weather
cameras which are strong outdoors, highly water-resistnat,
splash-proof, and dustproof,
small and light, easily portable and tough (durable).

link http://www.hoya.co.jp/english/investor/2009_2Q_meeting_summary.pdf
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Alexius
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