Why does photographic paper turn grey?

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Why does photographic paper turn grey?

If I take an area of a b/w photo that is grey, is it grey because;

a) Only half of the silver halides in that area have turned black giving the appearance of grey?

b) The silver halides themselves have turned grey, that is, not turned black but only 50% transparent?

Basically do silver halide crystals have a binary state, see-through and black or can they be any variation of see-through? (totally see-through to totally black or any state in between?)

Thanks

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Harry
 
Why does photographic paper turn grey?

If I take an area of a b/w photo that is grey, is it grey because;

a) Only half of the silver halides in that area have turned black
giving the appearance of grey?

b) The silver halides themselves have turned grey, that is, not
turned black but only 50% transparent?

Basically do silver halide crystals have a binary state, see-through
and black or can they be any variation of see-through? (totally
see-through to totally black or any state in between?)

Thanks

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Harry
Harry, not sure I know what you are discussing. Are you commenting about Photo Papers for use with the WET Darkroom processing. I used that type for close to 50 years and now use the Epson Ink Jet Photo printers and I have not noticed any change in the photo paper used for ink jet printing but of course, the chemical processing type papers are light sensitive and also are subject to aging effects.
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Vernon...
 
The silver halide in photographic paper (like RA-4 process paper) works by reacting to dyes in emulsion layers of red green and blue. So the colors you see are a result of these dyes.
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Patrick Herold
Tech Support, Chromix, Inc.
http://www.chromix.com
 
sorry.

i was refering to the chemical paper development. the good old days!!!

specifically monochrome paper

if a take a 1 cm square of a mono photo that is grey would all the silver halides be semi-transparent or

would evey other crystal be black and the remaining crystals be white thus giving the image, at a sensible vieving distance, a grey look to theat area of the paper.

would a 1 cm square of a black part of the photo have all its silver halides black while a square of the white area of the paper have no black silver halids crystyals.

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Harry
 
I was thinking that's what you meant in the first place, but wasn't sure if you were just joking!

When enough light reaches a silver halide crystal (requires several photons) a latent image site is formed that is actually pure metallic silver on the crystal. The chemical development process amplifies this site and plates out much more silver, thus forming a a much much larger silver particle (though still extremely tiny compared to, say, a single drop size made by an inkjet printer). The particle usually grows into a very filamentary structure, not just a round particle shape. Anyway, the chemical fixing process in traditional photography dissolves the remaining silver halide crystal structures (and thus renders the emulsion no longer light sensitive), leaving behind only the silver particles to absorb light in the final image. While both the silver halide crystal and the developed silver particles are opaque and trap light effectively, it is the varied size and distribution of the developed silver particles in the image layer that gives rise to the analog continuous tonal gradations in the final black and white print (or b&W negative). So the final image is not digital in the sense of "on" or off" dots, but then again, neither are inkjet prints (another story).

For traditional color prints, the development of the exposed silver halide crystals into silver particles oxidizes the liquid developer in proportion to the amount of developed silver content in the red, green and blue light-sensitive emulsion layers of the resin coated (RC) paper. The oxidized developing agents in turn react with special color coupling compounds to produce cyan, magenta, and yellow dyes. The silver particles and remaining silver halide compounds are then bleach-fixed and washed out of the print, thus creating a color photographic print made only of dyes. The color image is comprised of isolated cyan, magenta, and yellow dyes protected in a gelatin binder layer. This RC color paper technology is chemically very sophisticated, yet it is what the public has been accustomed to buying for more than 30 years. Color fidelity and image permanence have incrementally improved as the technology matured.

Here's some more info, and I'm sure if you do some searching on the web you will find a lot more interesting info.

http://www.kodak.com/US/en/corp/researchDevelopment/whatWeDo/technology/chemistry/silver.shtml

Mark McCormick
http://www.aardenburg-imaging.com
 
Thank you all, i now understand, i will follow the link for more info.

I'm doing a course in photography and wanted to know a bit more than is actually necerssary for the course.

thanks again.

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Harry
 

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