FZ28's EVF - What aaaare they playing at????

[Moonman52]

I had the Canon S5IS a couple of months back and did not like the
photos it produced. So instead of complaining on the forum about it,
I made a decision - sell it and buy something else.

But your complaining about it now.

If I decide I
don't like the FZ28, I will sell it and buy a different camera. It's
that simple.

Good, just dont make any complaints about it.

And right now because I've had enough of DSLR cameras
I'm selling them all.

Have a complaint about DSLR's also now do ya?

It's all about choice.

And you chose to complain.

"It's a camera, not a choice."

Glenn

 

[PeterNMIF]

By the time your read this there may be some add-ons above, but I think I have read every post so far.

Here are the facts:

1) Some who have both FZ18 and FZ28 indicated above that the EVF was better on the FZ18.

2) NOT ONE person has indicated that the EVF on the FZ28 is an improvement over the FZ18.

If you had to infer anything from these above facts, it would have to be that the FZ28's EVF is either equal or worse.

Peter F.

 

[myssvictoria]

Being able to see well through the EVF differs from person to person. Everyone's eyes are different. My eyes aren't compatible with all monitors, white on black text (like on dpr), and some EVFs on cameras that I tried. So just because most people have no problem doesn't mean a problem doesn't exist for others. Knowing that this is a problem for some is good info to share.
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Vickie

 

[Erik Ohlson]

By the time your read this there may be some add-ons above, but I
think I have read every post so far.

Here are the facts:

1) Some who have both FZ18 and FZ28 indicated above that the EVF was
better on the FZ18.

2) NOT ONE person has indicated that the EVF on the FZ28 is an
improvement over the FZ18.

If you had to infer anything from these above facts, it would have to
be that the FZ28's EVF is either equal or worse.

Peter F.

Peter,

How DARE you be so reasonable?

Ron will no doubt paste you to the wall with his special "maturity".

Being as, or more, mature than he, I'll take this moment to say: "Well Stated"!

Not having seen an FZ 28, or it's EVF, but having noted in the thread showing an "Exploded" FZ-28, that there appears to be plenty of room in there for Panasonic to simply retain the FZ-18's EVF, I'll have to leave this discussion with the OP's original question:

"What aaaare they playing at??"

Personally, I don't have a dog in THIS particular fight - whatever happens with the FZ line, I'm hoping that the smaller EVF is, indeed a test run, as has been suggested; and leads to a TZ camera with an EVF - quite possibly as a pop-up, a la the LZ series flash unit, but certainly not an add-on kluge like Ricoh's add-on EVF, Or LX3's add-on viewfinder.

I'll be first in line for a "TZ-EVF" camera!

-Erik
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http://www.flickr.com/ohlsonmh/ 'ohlsonmh'+yahoo gets me

 

[Mikedigi]

. . . . I am happy with
the IQ but the toy like EVF has taken much of the fun out of this
camera.

Thanks for your comments Glenn

Mike

Panasonic EffZedEight, Fuji EffTwenty

 

[Mikedigi]

. . . . FZ28 - 0.20" colour EVF ( 201.6k dots equiv.) approx 100% coverage
FZ18 - 0.44" colour EVF ( 188k dots equiv.) approx 100% coverage
So smaller but surely brighter / sharper ? . . . .

Thanks David, but as you say , it's the user comparison that counts.

Mike

Panasonic EffZedEight, Fuji EffTwenty

 

[Mikedigi]

I too rely mostly on the EVF of my FZ18... which I found surprising,
since with my old Olympus Camedia I hardly ever used it. But now
it's used probably 90% of the time.

With telephoto and birding photos it's an absolute necessity. In
most bright lighting conditions, the LCD screen is useless.

I'm glad it's not just me . . .

It'd be nice if Panasonic had some online comment section where
owners of their cameras could register their consumer input opinions.

I should think that official voting by people who've bought their
cameras would carry some more weight than just the idle comments of
reviewers.

Definitely! I do hope they sometimes read this Forum.

Mike

 

[PeterNMIF]

I have been following your thoughts in the past about the addion of an EVF on the TZ model. That would be an awesome addition to my way of thinking. In the meantime, personally I will hold onto my FZ8 and completely skip over the FZ18/28 and onto whatever will be next on the foodchain (FZ50 upgrade or similar, or perhaps an EVIL).

Peter F.

 

[Mikedigi]

Sorry to burst your bubble but I owned an FZ18 and now have an FZ28.
In terms of optical distortion, fussiness to adjust and such the
FZ28's EVF is one of the worst I've used. The one on the FZ18 was
far superior. And I am not "whining with imagination" even if I
disagree with your opinion.

The FZ28 EVF is usable; but after shooting for a while my right eye
is strained.

I should add that I've also used the Oly C-2100UZ, Canon S3 IS, Canon
S5 IS and (briefly) the Nikon P80. All have EVFs which are more
comfortable to use than that in the FZ28.

Thanks Phil, that's very useful information.

Mike

EffZedEight

 

[Mikedigi]

. . . . neither of which sporting anything that
acceptably compares to a decent EVF...

Thanks, interesting conspiracy theory! I'm as sceptical as you about whether they really can sell any ultrazoom FZ without a class-leading EVF.

I gather you like EVF's too, good.

Mike

Panasonic EffZedEight, Fuji EffTwenty

 

[Mikedigi]

Because I'm very nearsighted, . . . . . .So, I'll be happier when I move to a > FZ28, which has a bigger,
brighter LCD.

Thanks Evan, I realise that eyesight is key here, as I mentioned in the original post.

Mike

EffZedEight

 

[Mikedigi]

Yes, I suppose it would have been better a touch larger but I can
certainly live with it and I use it ALL the time as I've terrible
short sight (so much so I have to guess at the mode glyphs on the
Selector Dial on the top of the camera.
Coming from a Fuji s602 (5yrs use) I find the EVF fine - and what is
more far more fluid and revealing greater detail.

I'm happy for everyone who gets on fine with the FZ28 EVF, but from the Pan market development viewpoint, the comparison with the FZ8/FZ18 EVF is important, and the "Why?" question.

Mike

Panasonic EffZedEight, Fuji EffTwenty

 

[Mikedigi]

For me, the EVF on the FZ28 is not really a problem. I would have
preferred a bigger size, however, it is pretty clear and bright. It
is by far better than that of my old Oly C2100UZ.

Thanks, that's fine, but it's the FZ8--> FZ18--> FZ28 EVF development that I am interested in.

Mike

Panasonic EffZedEight, Fuji EffTwenty

 

[Mikedigi]

The relative, who is in her mid-70's, didn't seem to have any issue
with it either...it was very blurry, we adjusted the diopter, and I
showed her how to switch between the two, and that was that. I guess
people have to gripe about something.

Thanks Gary - again, I'm glad to hear that many people are happy with the FZ28 EVF, but it's the FZ8--> FZ18--> FZ28 EVF development/comparison, and the "Why" question, that interests me.

Mike

Panasonic EffZedEight, Fuji EffTwenty

 

[Mikedigi]

Thanks Ron, I follow what you're saying there. But do you think that a Pan FZ ultrazoom should not have a class-leading EVF, or that the FZ ultrazooms would sell as well if they only had LCD's?

I'm not saying that LCD's should be left off, just that the EVF should be optimized too.

Mike

Panasonic EffZedEight, Fuji EffTwenty

 

[Ron2008]

That's true, but if you're not happy with the camera, sell it like I've done in the past.

Being able to see well through the EVF differs from person to person.
Everyone's eyes are different. My eyes aren't compatible with all
monitors, white on black text (like on dpr), and some EVFs on cameras
that I tried. So just because most people have no problem doesn't
mean a problem doesn't exist for others. Knowing that this is a
problem for some is good info to share.
--
Vickie

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Ron2008

 

[Mikedigi]

. . . . Thus far the evolution of the evf has been mostly positive, certainly
true with my experience with the fz1> fz5> fz18.

Thanks Fred, yes, that's how I have seen it so far.

I don't have the
fz28. Eventually I guess I'll get a chance to check out the evf.
But surely smaller isn't better.

Well, if smaller is better in this case, fine.

Mike

Panasonic EffZedEight, Fuji EffTwenty

 

[Ron2008]

Thanks Ron, I follow what you're saying there. But do you think that
a Pan FZ ultrazoom should not have a class-leading EVF, or that the
FZ ultrazooms would sell as well if they only had LCD's?

That's up to Panasonic.

I'm not saying that LCD's should be left off, just that the EVF
should be optimized too.

Mike

Panasonic EffZedEight, Fuji EffTwenty

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Ron2008

 

[Ron2008]

I had the Canon S5IS a couple of months back and did not like the
photos it produced. So instead of complaining on the forum about it,
I made a decision - sell it and buy something else.

But your complaining about it now.

No I'm not. I just stated that I did not like it and sold it.

If I decide I
don't like the FZ28, I will sell it and buy a different camera. It's
that simple.

Good, just dont make any complaints about it.

I'm not.

And right now because I've had enough of DSLR cameras
I'm selling them all.

Have a complaint about DSLR's also now do ya?

No! I just sais I've had enough of them after 50 some odd years. You can't seem to understand the postings. You are reading a lot into the posts that are not there.

It's all about choice.

And you chose to complain.

No I'm not.

"It's a camera, not a choice."

Grow up and move on. You are very immature!

Glenn

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Ron2008

 

[Mikedigi]

. . . . In terms of optical distortion, fussiness to adjust and such the
FZ28's EVF is one of the worst I've used. The one on the FZ18 was
far superior. And I am not "whining with imagination" even if I
disagree with your opinion.

And I disagree with your opinion. I've been using the VF for almost
60 years and have no problem with the FZ28 VF.

Great, but is it as good as or better than the FZ8/FZ18 EVF? This seems to be the elusive bit.

Mike

Panasonic EffZedEight, Fuji EffTwenty