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Weakest link in Digital Cameras for best image
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RomanJohnston
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The person behind the camera.
Roman
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Roman
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'Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, who are we to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous.
Actually, who are we not to be?'
--Marianne Williamson
http://www.pbase.com/romansphotos/
So true!
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Taallyn
Leading Member
Yep. I agree with that. When I get a bad shot it is usually because I did something wrong. The camera will only do what you tell it to do.
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Craig
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Craig
Nikon D80, 18-135mm, 70-300mm VR, 50mm 1.8, SB600, MB-D80
Manfrotto 190XDB tripod w/ 486RC2 Ball Head
Kenko 12/20/36mm Ext. Tubes
http://taallyn.zenfolio.com
http://4pphotoblog.blogspot.com/
Dejan Malikovski
Senior Member
I hate Noise reduction, and hate watercolor. This is not for DSLR's...
For DSLR's the lens is the first thing that lets the sensor see. And it makes very big difference. Second is the electronics, but since you will shoot RAW this is of no interest. And third sensor that will record anything that is show. Most important is the lens, than the sensor.
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For DSLR's the lens is the first thing that lets the sensor see. And it makes very big difference. Second is the electronics, but since you will shoot RAW this is of no interest. And third sensor that will record anything that is show. Most important is the lens, than the sensor.
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J
jkjond
Guest
Is this a trick question, or are you hoping to gleen some magical insight which will give you medium format resolution form a DX sensor?
For what its worth, here are my conclusions after an in depth comparison (4 shots) between a D70 and D300 using an 18-70 and 17-55 lens.
Image quality, in order of fantasticness:
1. D300 + 17-55
2. D70 + 17-55
Joint 3rd, D70 and D300 with 18-70
I concluded that the light and exposure were far more important than the combination, each image (tripod mounted) had good an bad areas, but it was an outdoor shoot, so lots of variables between the shots.
Now this rather suggests that the lens is the weakest link, though I don't tend to bother sharpening pics from my 300 where I did with my 70 - so does the 300 have a 'sharper' sensor, or 'sharper' electronics?
I neither know nor care.
Number 1 tip:
Don't rush out and spend a fortune on top gear if you think it will solve softness due to camera shake or poor focus technique.
Number 2 tip:
A better quality lens will give you better edge to edge sharpness, though the centre of many a lens is pretty good these days.
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wingcommander
Well-known member
While it COULD be any of the above- however-
most of the important electronics is ON the sensor
and focus/ camera shake should be carefully ruled out before attributing problems to the lens or sensor.
most of the important electronics is ON the sensor
and focus/ camera shake should be carefully ruled out before attributing problems to the lens or sensor.
Quite true. In the lens forum someone posted a "bad" test image of the DX 12-24 mounted on a D3 in FX mode. Everybody was like "uh-oh, that looks awful! better sell my 12-24 and buy the 14-24!"
But it was a terrible picture that would have looked like garbage with any camera and any lens. The light was dreadful. I couldn't believe anyone took the "test" image seriously.
But it was a terrible picture that would have looked like garbage with any camera and any lens. The light was dreadful. I couldn't believe anyone took the "test" image seriously.
Hansa Yindee
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HyperCypher
Veteran Member
I personally find ultra sharpness distracting and not necessary or desirable in many of my own photos...my own personal preference, I realize.....this is also true for me about saturation and color accuracy......
I know I am swimming against the tide.....but I find the "obsession" with sharpness, especially here at DPreview, often irrelevant......
So I am generally not worried about lens sharpness and all of that, I am looking for something else.....
the form, or the way to frame, or the way I am feeling, or a "different world" that I am being taken into...
sharpness often removes the ability of my mind's eye to wander, to take an image as a starting point, instead of being a literal thing; to use the image more like music, internalize it, then travel imaginatively......
am I making sense??
I have been messing around with the various filters in CS3 for this reason, and very heavy color and tonal manipulation as well.....sometimes I think the results are cheezy, sometimes I think it is working.....
in this shot of the canyon of the Little Colorado River in Arizona, in my mind I can connect it to the mural art at the Museum of Natural History in NYC that so powerfully affected me as a child.....the lack of distinction in the receding bluish blocks of the canyon look wonderfully ancient and mysterious...I almost expect to see a dinosaur...it is vaguely foreboding for me this way
here is another very heavily altered shot.....ironically I have named it "Arizona Highway" (a magazine of the same name features very high resolution landscape photography) but processed this way, as a visual "piece", it stands in not for its literal location, but as a representation of all that amazing space, color, and lonely two lane vistas that are the experience of driving through the southwest.....I like that the car is just a little indistinct blob.....this way (for me) its "every car" you could ever imagine, solitary, in the beating sun, transient, maybe we can just hear its motor.....
here is another taken from a moving car of a small ruined hut as we flashed across the desert.....there is a lot of poverty in the Southwest....it has a stark kind of beauty .....here I like the way the hill falls away from the structure, the lack of balance, the broken table, the glare of the sun.....the world of our human existence has never been prefect....
finally, an icon:
thanks for looking
Fred
I know I am swimming against the tide.....but I find the "obsession" with sharpness, especially here at DPreview, often irrelevant......
So I am generally not worried about lens sharpness and all of that, I am looking for something else.....
the form, or the way to frame, or the way I am feeling, or a "different world" that I am being taken into...
sharpness often removes the ability of my mind's eye to wander, to take an image as a starting point, instead of being a literal thing; to use the image more like music, internalize it, then travel imaginatively......
am I making sense??
I have been messing around with the various filters in CS3 for this reason, and very heavy color and tonal manipulation as well.....sometimes I think the results are cheezy, sometimes I think it is working.....
in this shot of the canyon of the Little Colorado River in Arizona, in my mind I can connect it to the mural art at the Museum of Natural History in NYC that so powerfully affected me as a child.....the lack of distinction in the receding bluish blocks of the canyon look wonderfully ancient and mysterious...I almost expect to see a dinosaur...it is vaguely foreboding for me this way
here is another very heavily altered shot.....ironically I have named it "Arizona Highway" (a magazine of the same name features very high resolution landscape photography) but processed this way, as a visual "piece", it stands in not for its literal location, but as a representation of all that amazing space, color, and lonely two lane vistas that are the experience of driving through the southwest.....I like that the car is just a little indistinct blob.....this way (for me) its "every car" you could ever imagine, solitary, in the beating sun, transient, maybe we can just hear its motor.....
here is another taken from a moving car of a small ruined hut as we flashed across the desert.....there is a lot of poverty in the Southwest....it has a stark kind of beauty .....here I like the way the hill falls away from the structure, the lack of balance, the broken table, the glare of the sun.....the world of our human existence has never been prefect....
finally, an icon:
thanks for looking
Fred
thr33face
Leading Member
I'm with you on: "NR in compacts"
I'd love to carry a small PnS with me sometimes, but all current models use a lot of NR under every condition except perfect light.
I don't care about noise, as it often adds character. I'd like to be given the choice to use no NR and if i'm bothered with it i could still remove it in post.
generally i think that software is the weakest link (i'll assume a perfect photog. here), as lenses are working remarkably well, as does hardware (bleeding edge).
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temporary Photoblog:
http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0605112/php/index.php
I'd love to carry a small PnS with me sometimes, but all current models use a lot of NR under every condition except perfect light.
I don't care about noise, as it often adds character. I'd like to be given the choice to use no NR and if i'm bothered with it i could still remove it in post.
generally i think that software is the weakest link (i'll assume a perfect photog. here), as lenses are working remarkably well, as does hardware (bleeding edge).
--
temporary Photoblog:
http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0605112/php/index.php
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