A light room question

[owenleve]

I am using lr 2.0 now. Seems good so far. I like the little changes, etc..

One thing though. When switching from one photo to the next I count about a 5/6 second delay until 'loading' is finished. Seems a long time no?

This is with EVERYTHING else on my machine closed down and the write to xmp option unchecked... And still does the same after I have optimized the catalog. What's the deal?
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[Albert de Bruijn]

PC? MAC? What specs?
I suspect his is going to be key to running LR2.

I too just upgraded and while I love the new LR2, it runs decidedly slower on my (admittedly) older Pentium 4 PC with 2Gb RAM and WinXP.
I've been resisting upgrading my hardware, but I think the time is coming.

To put this to the test, I installed the 30 day trial on my Dual Core PC at at work and it works a lot faster there.

Looks like that's just how it's going to be.
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[peacewarrior]

The beta is running very very slow on 1 gig ram dell centrico duo core ...

I am still evaluating if it is worth getting one of these .. it seems more like an advanced RAW processing software without having to save to TIFF and/or JPEG before final processing ???

I have to try the CS3 to see if the cataloguing is similar/at least useable as in LR 2.

Anybody in the same position deciding between CS3 or LR2 ?

I am wondering if LR2 can do localised noise reduction also ??? I know about the dodging and burn thingy.

Ta

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[jb_va2001]

I am using lr 2.0 now. Seems good so far. I like the little
changes, etc..

One thing though. When switching from one photo to the next I count
about a 5/6 second delay until 'loading' is finished. Seems a long
time no?

This is with EVERYTHING else on my machine closed down and the write
to xmp option unchecked... And still does the same after I have
optimized the catalog. What's the deal?
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[owenleve]

Hmm... not sure I need to replace my macbook pro quite yet... perhaps LR needs to just run faster....
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[Albert de Bruijn]

The beta is running very very slow on 1 gig ram dell centrico duo
core ...

Yep, the released LR V2 is slow. However, I don't think ANYTHING will run very fast on 1Gb of RAM. Most of that gets used just for the operating system. You'd want to add a gb of memory for sure.

I am still evaluating if it is worth getting one of these .. it seems
more like an advanced RAW processing software without having to save
to TIFF and/or JPEG before final processing ???

I cannot recommend Lightroom enough. You simply CANNOT compare it to Bridge/Photoshop. They might have overlapping features when specs are compared, but the user experience is vastly different.

I have to try the CS3 to see if the cataloguing is similar/at least
useable as in LR 2.

See above, LR is vastly superior in my opinion. It DID take me a little time to get used to it and I came close to giving up several times. I took doing an actual project, from start to finish, to appreciate what LR does. Prior to that, I was just poing around and playing and nor appreciating the efficiencies. After doing a real project (a photoshoot) I was hooked and now cannot imagine using anything else. I have Bibble, DPP, CS3 with Bridge and Rawshooter and much prefer Lightroom.

Anybody in the same position deciding between CS3 or LR2 ?

Not me. I have both. With LR 1.4.1 I found myself using LR about 80% of the time and CS2 about 20%, only when I needed layers and localized editing. Now with LR2, I am anticipating that percentage will change to 90/10 maybe even more, in favor of Lightroom. I NEVER use Bridge anymore and I NEVER use ACR, preferring LR to manage the raw conversion, the opening of Photoshop and the automatic stacking of the PSD file. I therefore totally avoid having to be disciplined in my saving of files (LR does all that for me).

I sometimes use Photoshop for printing as it can proof the image prior to printing. But I have a color managed workflow and trust the process. My prints out of LR are wonderful.

I am wondering if LR2 can do localised noise reduction also ??? I
know about the dodging and burn thingy.

No, does not look like it can (excellent idea though!).

Ta

--
Be a torch bearer ...
S3 IS
New world in dSLR, yes Canon. No particular reason why I chose the
brand, just 450D comes at the right time with the right features I
want. I am determined to get the best results out of its limitations
or what not.'

My passions:

http://www.holeepassion.com

http://www.suprememastertelevision.com

--
Albert

Gear: 5D, 30D, EF17-40L, EF24-105L IS, EF100-400L IS, SIGMA 10-20EX, Manfrotto 3021PRO, Induro CX213
http://www.albertdebruijn.com (now with free Lightroom presets)
http://albertdebruijn.zenfolio.com

 

[peacewarrior]

Hi Albert

Thanks for your elaborote response to my questions/concerns.

I am wondering about stacking ? is that similar to stacking pictures in CS3. I am not talking about layering but actualling stacking a number of pictures together ???

I like the idea of localised dodge or burn although I have not used it yet. Is it similar to like leveling/curving only a particular spot only ? I mean dodge is like upgrading the exposure while burn is decreasing it ???

Ta

The beta is running very very slow on 1 gig ram dell centrico duo
core ...

Yep, the released LR V2 is slow. However, I don't think ANYTHING will
run very fast on 1Gb of RAM. Most of that gets used just for the
operating system. You'd want to add a gb of memory for sure.

I am still evaluating if it is worth getting one of these .. it seems
more like an advanced RAW processing software without having to save
to TIFF and/or JPEG before final processing ???

I cannot recommend Lightroom enough. You simply CANNOT compare it to
Bridge/Photoshop. They might have overlapping features when specs are
compared, but the user experience is vastly different.

I have to try the CS3 to see if the cataloguing is similar/at least
useable as in LR 2.

See above, LR is vastly superior in my opinion. It DID take me a
little time to get used to it and I came close to giving up several
times. I took doing an actual project, from start to finish, to
appreciate what LR does. Prior to that, I was just poing around and
playing and nor appreciating the efficiencies. After doing a real
project (a photoshoot) I was hooked and now cannot imagine using
anything else. I have Bibble, DPP, CS3 with Bridge and Rawshooter and
much prefer Lightroom.

Anybody in the same position deciding between CS3 or LR2 ?

Not me. I have both. With LR 1.4.1 I found myself using LR about 80%
of the time and CS2 about 20%, only when I needed layers and
localized editing. Now with LR2, I am anticipating that percentage
will change to 90/10 maybe even more, in favor of Lightroom. I NEVER
use Bridge anymore and I NEVER use ACR, preferring LR to manage the
raw conversion, the opening of Photoshop and the automatic stacking
of the PSD file. I therefore totally avoid having to be disciplined
in my saving of files (LR does all that for me).

I sometimes use Photoshop for printing as it can proof the image
prior to printing. But I have a color managed workflow and trust the
process. My prints out of LR are wonderful.

I am wondering if LR2 can do localised noise reduction also ??? I
know about the dodging and burn thingy.

No, does not look like it can (excellent idea though!).

Ta

--
Be a torch bearer ...
S3 IS
New world in dSLR, yes Canon. No particular reason why I chose the
brand, just 450D comes at the right time with the right features I
want. I am determined to get the best results out of its limitations
or what not.'

My passions:

http://www.holeepassion.com

http://www.suprememastertelevision.com

--
Albert
Gear: 5D, 30D, EF17-40L, EF24-105L IS, EF100-400L IS, SIGMA 10-20EX,
Manfrotto 3021PRO, Induro CX213
http://www.albertdebruijn.com (now with free Lightroom presets)
http://albertdebruijn.zenfolio.com

--
Be a torch bearer ...
S3 IS

New world in dSLR, yes Canon. No particular reason why I chose the brand, just 450D comes at the right time with the right features I want. I am determined to get the best results out of its limitations or what not.'

My passions:

http://www.holeepassion.com

http://www.suprememastertelevision.com

 

[Albert de Bruijn]

I am wondering about stacking ? is that similar to stacking pictures
in CS3. I am not talking about layering but actualling stacking a
number of pictures together ???

Yes, it's the same. LR lets you select a bunch of pictures, then "stack them". They then get bunched together with a little tag saying how many pictures are in the stack. LR has some smarts, such as stacking by time. This effectively groups images you took within a short period time, together. Just saves a lot of screen real estate.

With LR, you can work on an image, then invoke the "open in Photoshop" function. This function has a "stack with original" option. What happens here is as follows: LR converts the raw file, launches Photoshop with the converted image, ready for editing. When you save, the PSD is automatically imported back into the LR database and neatly stacked with the original. No messing with folders or doing "save as", all neat and tidy. Best of all, the PSD is fully compatible with the LR features. So you can print or export that PSD from LR, even put in web gallery. Very neat!

I like the idea of localised dodge or burn although I have not used
it yet. Is it similar to like leveling/curving only a particular spot
only ? I mean dodge is like upgrading the exposure while burn is
decreasing it ???

The Adjustment Tool is MAGIC!!!

You select the tool and can then "paint" over portions of the image. You can "paint" with EXPOSURE so a high exposure will lighten the painted area and a low exposure will darken it. But there's more! You can paint with saturation, clarity, sharpness, etc. What's really cool, is after you've painted, you can go back and re-adjust the sliders to fine tune the effect you've laid down on the painted area. It is brilliant!

--
Albert

Gear: 5D, 30D, EF17-40L, EF24-105L IS, EF100-400L IS, SIGMA 10-20EX, Manfrotto 3021PRO, Induro CX213
http://www.albertdebruijn.com (now with free Lightroom presets)
http://albertdebruijn.zenfolio.com

 

[Jeff Behm]

Court,

You may have realized by now, I love LR. But I do not love LR1.4.1 as much as I loved 1.3 because 1.4 slowed WAY down on my Mac G5 and G4 Towers and G4 Laptop - just as slow as you described. If I was sure of my catalog security, I'd go backwards one version. I can't see buying $8-10,000 worth of computers for a few features, and I hope Adobe is listening.

Whatever the changes, v2 may be great in terms of features, but LR 1.3 did what I needed it to do much faster, and unless Adobe is funding my upgrade to an Intel Dual Quad Mac Jumpin Jehozafat Tower, I stay here for now.

Don't know what to tell you beyond Optimizing your libraries (or catalogs - I forget which they are currently) and following some of the procedures listed in some recent LR posts.
--
jrbehm
http://www.jeffbehm.com

 

[mooney101]

Hmmmm LR2 runs quicker for me? wierd lol
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[peacewarrior]

I am wondering about stacking ? is that similar to stacking pictures
in CS3. I am not talking about layering but actualling stacking a
number of pictures together ???

Yes, it's the same. LR lets you select a bunch of pictures, then
"stack them". They then get bunched together with a little tag saying
how many pictures are in the stack. LR has some smarts, such as
stacking by time. This effectively groups images you took within a
short period time, together. Just saves a lot of screen real estate.
With LR, you can work on an image, then invoke the "open in
Photoshop" function. This function has a "stack with original"
option. What happens here is as follows: LR converts the raw file,
launches Photoshop with the converted image, ready for editing. When
you save, the PSD is automatically imported back into the LR database
and neatly stacked with the original. No messing with folders or
doing "save as", all neat and tidy. Best of all, the PSD is fully
compatible with the LR features. So you can print or export that PSD
from LR, even put in web gallery. Very neat!

nice................. no need to keep saving files then .....

I like the idea of localised dodge or burn although I have not used
it yet. Is it similar to like leveling/curving only a particular spot
only ? I mean dodge is like upgrading the exposure while burn is
decreasing it ???

The Adjustment Tool is MAGIC!!!
You select the tool and can then "paint" over portions of the image.
You can "paint" with EXPOSURE so a high exposure will lighten the
painted area and a low exposure will darken it. But there's more! You
can paint with saturation, clarity, sharpness, etc. What's really
cool, is after you've painted, you can go back and re-adjust the
sliders to fine tune the effect you've laid down on the painted area.
It is brilliant!

Hmmm there is a danger of overdoing adjustment though ???
... sounds so inviting to get one !!!

I got PS7 which I can use for curving and leveling. I got photomatix old version but working that I can use for HDR. I have PSE 6 for all other things, processing in 16 bits. I think I am set right if I get Lightroom 2 ????

Wondering if lightroom actually saves space ??? does LR actually save the profile only and whenever you want to do something to it, it just updates the profile/adjustment information or whatever you call it ??? if it is, it is the way to go i think. I do not like keep saving the PSD files, with more layers, more space needed !!!

Thanks once again ....

--
Albert
Gear: 5D, 30D, EF17-40L, EF24-105L IS, EF100-400L IS, SIGMA 10-20EX,
Manfrotto 3021PRO, Induro CX213
http://www.albertdebruijn.com (now with free Lightroom presets)
http://albertdebruijn.zenfolio.com

--
Be a torch bearer ...
S3 IS

New world in dSLR, yes Canon. No particular reason why I chose the brand, just 450D comes at the right time with the right features I want. I am determined to get the best results out of its limitations or what not.'

My passions:

http://www.holeepassion.com

http://www.suprememastertelevision.com

 

[peacewarrior]

cos u have money to buy the fastest computer in the world !!!

come on . share some with the rest of us ....

Hmmmm LR2 runs quicker for me? wierd lol
--
I'm always looking for opportunities...
http://bcmphotography.com/

--
Be a torch bearer ...
S3 IS

New world in dSLR, yes Canon. No particular reason why I chose the brand, just 450D comes at the right time with the right features I want. I am determined to get the best results out of its limitations or what not.'

My passions:

http://www.holeepassion.com

http://www.suprememastertelevision.com

 

[PaulWa]

I actually found that the Raw cache has a major impact on performance.

Installation gives you a 1GB cache, which makes the application very slow.

I increased this to 10GB, and wow what a difference (even on an old enough machine). If disk space isn't an issue, then a 10-20GB cache will certainly be well worth the space.

I hope this helps others.

--
Irish Freelance Sports Photographer
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[PaulUK]

Paul,

I've held off downloading LR2 because of the initial performance concerns and you're suggestion of changing the cache size sounds like a great idea.

Can you tell me where to change the cache size in LR2 and do you know whether you can do the same thing in the beta version too ?

Thanks,
Paul.

 

[owenleve]

Where in LR are you able to set your cache preferences?

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[PaulUK]

I currently have LR v1.4.1 and the Beta of v2 installed and I can't find an option in either to specify the size or location a cache. I was hoping that PaulWA would be able to offer a little more information about how & where he changed his settings.

Paul

 

[mottjr]

He is probably talking about the Camera Raw cache setting which can be found under LR Preferences> File Handling. Have to wonder if this would really help, but it might be worth a try.

 

[PaulUK]

It looks as though that must be new for version 2. I can't find it in either v1.4.1 or v2 beta.

Have you tried changing it in v2 and does it help speed up LR, particularly the brush for local edits ?

Paul.

 

[E300]

I had my main machine die and need replacing a month or 2 ago. It was a P4 2.8, 2G ram.

I replaced it with a 3gi Core2 Duo (E8400) with 4Gig Ram.

Everything, and I mean everything is so much faster. The time it used to take to even export a web sized jpg used to be in the order of several seconds, new machine, maybe 1-2 seconds. I can now process a batch of 10-20 jpg images to disk in about the same time I could process 1 or 2 with the old machine.

as LR2 is now a native 64 bit application, if you do upgrade consider a 64Bit OS (XP64) as this will provide additional improvements. I am yet to re-install My OS with a 64 bit version, but it is something that I will do to unlock access to more RAM, and actually run applications that make use of available resources - which of course means that throwing more RAM at it will further improve it.

 

[PaulWa]

Sorry for the delay in posting (busy busy).

Yeah, it's the Camera Raw cache size. It's under the file handling preferences section - camera raw. You can increase the cache here, but when you do, it is always good to purge the cache and allow it to rebuild it's cache.

I found this very helpful, and it's not widely discussed.

The function has been there since Lightroom 1.3 but it generally set at 1gb.

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