Retroactive Photography (posted before in D80 forum)

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I posted this yesterday in the D80 forum to a reasonably large response so I thought I'd repost it in this forum to reach a different crowd and get a different response.

If a digital camera were to have been made 30-40 years ago, it would probably have looked like this:



(that's of course only if the digital circuitry could fit in a body of the same ergonomics as those required of film, kind of a large "if" I know...I'm mainly referring to the clear and obvious differences of styling and size as compared to today's cameras).

Take a look at the above camera, it's pretty, isn't it? Simple, unassuming silver and black finish; excellently placed, simple controls; simple feature set offering no more than you need but leaving out nothing (at the time) that was necessary. The key to this is it's a simple camera. And you know what it does? It takes pictures. It doesn't process them; it doesn't edit them; it doesn't crop, resize, and print them; it just takes pictures. That's a crazy idea, I'm aware, but isn't it a rather nice idea at the same time?

I own a Nikon FM and I can't tell you how many times I've thought I'd trade my D80 in a heartbeat for a digital sensor in that Nikon FM because I've never held any device, mechanical or electric, that feels so right in my hands. So here's a thought: what if Nikon made a camera styled after the FM or original F but with a digital sensor? And if there's too much circuitry, take it out! What about a digital camera in the body of an old film camera with absolutely no processing beyond what is necessary to retrieve the pictures from the camera. No jpeg processing, no white balance, no nothing. Everything can be done in post. You're provided with a program to do so like capture nx's raw processing tools that allows you to use all of the current in-camera processing tools. Maybe an AF sensor but no motor so only AF-S lenses focus. No metering. Even better, no stupid metering dial on top of the camera! One for shutter speed, one for iso.

What's further, this zoom craze is driving me....well, CRAZY! How about the camera comes with a nice little 50mm f/1.8 lens like they used to. Having used my D80 for 6 months with only a 50mm f/1.8 I can say the quality of beginner pictures would GREATLY increase from the necessitated learning curve of such a camera.

This has been a bit of a long post, but if you've gotten this far, you're my hero =)

What do you think?
 
An interesting thought indeed but i like the bells and whistle of modern technology. I can't see where such a camera that you wish for would fit in realistically. No metering, AF only with AFS lenses this would all be a PIA imo. Just buy an FM or whatever, shoot film and get a high quality scanner and you're set without Nikon lifting a finger
 
Well I'll second this - My FE is definitely my favourite body of all time (currently I own a D100, F90X and the trusty FE)

I'd love to see an FM / FE style body with a D3 sensor - it wouldn't need the high FPS or the superfast autofocus - just bare bones as you suggest - with the 50mm 1.4 that would be my perfect carry everywhere camera - really lightweight - perfect for candids / street photography.
 
I have no problem with it, but where ya' gonna stick the battery?

I suppose you could design 2 single batteries that fir where the cartridge and take areas are, though.....

And if they were going to do that, I always wanted one for my Minolta X700....sigh!

There was a company trying to do digital backs for film cameras some years ago. I think they were using the title "E-Film" before Delkin got a hold of it.

Jay
 
...it might look like this:





Sorry to be so silly! Yes, I love the old feel, the old style of my "ancient" 35mm film Nikon! Compared to my D2X and D80, it was really small and the viewfinder was amazingly large and luxurious. :)

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Oh, what I would give for that camera. The F2 was a delight and just felt so right in my hands. I have been hoping Nikon would come out with a camera like that for over 5 years now. There is way too much useless stuff crammed into cameras these days. I don't use half the features and would be much happier with something simpler and less obtrusive. But I highly doubt Nikon or anybody else is ever going to do it. That's why I am waiting and hoping for a full frame Leica. M9?

I also second your wish for better primes. This obsession with zooms is infuriating. I have feet. Give me a 50 f/1.2 any day. I just hope all these rumours about a new 24 f/1.4 are true. Hopefully, we will know in a few more days.
 
I'm not just trying to be argumentative here, but have any of you looked into the Leica M8? One of my friends recently bought one of these (and gave up all of his cannon gear) to go with the MP film body he's been shooting with for years. It has most of the qualities that you mention above (although it is a rangefinder rather than an SLR, you could pick up one of the R models fro which they made a digital back). and feels lovely in the hand, like a solid block of metal with a few nicely engineerd windows in.

What could be interesting though would be a body like this but with a dedicated black and white sensor in it, as this would increase your effective resolution (no bayer interpolation which losses information from yout camers total pixel count maximum) and give you over a stop more light sensitivity by removing the colour filter from in front of the sensor (so this could bring about very usable ISO 128000 if the D3 sensor was being used and the results people are currently getting is anything to go by).
 
When the Leica M8 was first announced, I was drooling over it and the Noctilux 50mm f/1.0 lens announced around the same time. I still kind of am because it's a beautiful camera and an awesome lens. Problem is, the duo costs upwards of $10,000 and I've nowhere close to that amount of money. Sure, Leica is nice, but if I have $10,000 I'm putting it towards my college tuition and not a camera that I don't really need.

I'd been thinking about a dedicated black and white sensor....I think that'd be awesome. Black and white conversions in photoshop never really look just like true black and white film photos, but a dedicated sensor....
 
with a big finder and micro-prism collar for manual focusing. Give it the same 12MP FX sensor from the D3 and I'm in heaven.
I posted this yesterday in the D80 forum to a reasonably large
response so I thought I'd repost it in this forum to reach a
different crowd and get a different response.
If a digital camera were to have been made 30-40 years ago, it would
probably have looked like this:



(that's of course only if the digital circuitry could fit in a body
of the same ergonomics as those required of film, kind of a large
"if" I know...I'm mainly referring to the clear and obvious
differences of styling and size as compared to today's cameras).

Take a look at the above camera, it's pretty, isn't it? Simple,
unassuming silver and black finish; excellently placed, simple
controls; simple feature set offering no more than you need but
leaving out nothing (at the time) that was necessary. The key to this
is it's a simple camera. And you know what it does? It takes
pictures. It doesn't process them; it doesn't edit them; it doesn't
crop, resize, and print them; it just takes pictures. That's a crazy
idea, I'm aware, but isn't it a rather nice idea at the same time?

I own a Nikon FM and I can't tell you how many times I've thought I'd
trade my D80 in a heartbeat for a digital sensor in that Nikon FM
because I've never held any device, mechanical or electric, that
feels so right in my hands. So here's a thought: what if Nikon made a
camera styled after the FM or original F but with a digital sensor?
And if there's too much circuitry, take it out! What about a digital
camera in the body of an old film camera with absolutely no
processing beyond what is necessary to retrieve the pictures from the
camera. No jpeg processing, no white balance, no nothing. Everything
can be done in post. You're provided with a program to do so like
capture nx's raw processing tools that allows you to use all of the
current in-camera processing tools. Maybe an AF sensor but no motor
so only AF-S lenses focus. No metering. Even better, no stupid
metering dial on top of the camera! One for shutter speed, one for
iso.

What's further, this zoom craze is driving me....well, CRAZY! How
about the camera comes with a nice little 50mm f/1.8 lens like they
used to. Having used my D80 for 6 months with only a 50mm f/1.8 I can
say the quality of beginner pictures would GREATLY increase from the
necessitated learning curve of such a camera.

This has been a bit of a long post, but if you've gotten this far,
you're my hero =)

What do you think?
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http://www.garlandcary.com
 

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