Is it the end of the road for HD-DVD?

[newe]

hard drives are faster, cheaper, more reliable....everyone has raid and/or uses NAS boxes and/or portable USB drives....use em....you can have multiple backups faster and easier....the BR larger size is such a red herring LOL!!!!

 

[RedFox88]

I heard a while ago that the format the adult video companies choose
to use would be a big influence on which format would win since an
adult video company puts out many, many more titles a year than say
sony.

That may have been true back when VHS beat out Beta, but people
weren't downloading porn from the Internet back then. Just like VCRs
killed the adult movie theater, the Internet killed the adult video
store. I don't think it's much of a factor one way or the other.

It wasn't my thought but a news article I read. And you do know there are similar services to NetFlix for adult videos. Get DVDs in the mail and then send them back. Probably for a price much cheaper than online downloads. Plus people do actually buy adult DVDs still.

 

[RJackson]

Absolutly ridiculous in this day and age that we should be using a
storage medium where the information is exposed and easily damaged.
It's not much better than vinyl records. Video rental stores hate
them for this reason. They should develop something on the lines of
sd cards or usb storage.

Well, wasn't the original CD spec for some kind of sleeved media? I seem to remember reading something about that. It was supposed to be like a floppy in a little plastic enclosure. Kind of like a minidisc. Anyway, something about the unit price being 10 cents higher or something and it disappeared. Same kind of thing could have worked for DVD. It's amazing that they leave the fragile disc surface exposed. Maybe the idea is that you'll need to replace them more often and that means higher sales numbers.

Of course, I can remember product demos in the mid-80's where salesmen at audio stores would throw CDs on the floor or in one case a guy even lit a match under one. They were being promoted as being impervious to the kinds of things that would destroy vinyl. And those early players wouldn't track on a disc that had even the slightest damage. I remember buying the first Yamaha player and it mistracked even on new discs sometimes.

 

[linuxworks]

Well, wasn't the original CD spec for some kind of sleeved media? I

yes, the caddies. there were many kinds. kinds that you'd almost permanently insert the cdrom into (we used those at DEC) and then later there were larger caddies that opened with a hinge and you could swap the cd a lot easier and more frequently. back when they had caddies and later, trays - the caddies were always more stable and reliable. it took a while to get the tray style to work at data rates, reliably.

I think I still have one of the old DEC 1x caddy cdrom scsi drives around my place. if I find it, I'll take a pic of it.

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[VincentJ]

I will wait till they are cracked like DVD. They're overpriced for what they offer, and are thoroughly DRM infested which doesn't tempt me one bit. DVD quality is excellent even on my 42" plasma.

 

[RJackson]

You know, I could live with the resolution if it wasn't interlaced, but I am SO tired of interlaced video. I've been working in television in one capacity or another since 1972 and video has SUCKED that entire time. DVD made it a lot better, but the one lingering piece of crapola that's never gone away is interlacing. And don't hand me deinterlacing and call it a biscuit. I don't even mind 720p. Hey, I'd be happy with anamorphic 480p for the time being, but that p on the end is a pretty big deal to me. Changes a lot about the experience.

I will wait till they are cracked like DVD. They're overpriced for
what they offer, and are thoroughly DRM infested which doesn't tempt
me one bit. DVD quality is excellent even on my 42" plasma.

 

[Andrew Butterfield]

The HD-DVD camp may as well give up now. It was always doomed to failure against Blu-Ray. It may struggle on for a bit where players can handle both formats, but like the xD card, it will die in the end.

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[James Arnold 1971]

I would never chose Blu-Ray for archival purposes for the 2nd reason
(as a matter of fact, I would not chose HD-DVD or normal DVD
either... MO or RAID is the way to go).

RAID? Archival? Not alone I hope..

 

[David Hull]

This is pretty much what appears to have happened in the SACD vs. DVD Audio format war where neither one of them took off. Before I will buy into any of them, I want to see the media price come down to par with DVD prices. It doesn't cost any more to make a Blue Ray disk than it does to make a DVD but they seem to want to sell Blue Ray for $30 in the US.

 

[johnduncan]

Yes, tv shows are canned into discs so that you can enjoy LOST! or The
Amazing Race in your own time through DVD or HD.

Not in the UK they're not. The majority are still transmitted from tape (Digibeta), though this is from the point of view of one broadcaster (ie the one I work for), albeit the second biggest one.

 

[Daniel Kekesi]

I would never chose Blu-Ray for archival purposes for the 2nd reason
(as a matter of fact, I would not chose HD-DVD or normal DVD
either... MO or RAID is the way to go).

RAID? Archival? Not alone I hope..

Why not? Banks are using it... have you heard of EMC Centera? While I do not want to use something that huge, two RAID systems (one for off-site storage) are sufficient. RAID is faster, more reliable, re-useable, requires less space and not a lot more expensive.

 

[RedFox88]

I will wait till they are cracked like DVD. They're overpriced for

Can you download free programs to do this?

 

[linuxworks]

I will wait till they are cracked like DVD. They're overpriced for

Can you download free programs to do this?

there are free ones but the one I like is from slysoft called 'anydvd'

I consider slysoft to be 'good guys' and so I encourage people to BUY their dvd copier program.

(they also sell 'clone dvd' which is written by someone else but works pretty well to let you select which parts of the dvd you want to copy).

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[GregGory]

addressed at productions in the HD-DVD exclusive camp...

 

[James Arnold 1971]

Why not? Banks are using it... have you heard of EMC Centera? While I
do not want to use something that huge, two RAID systems (one for
off-site storage) are sufficient. RAID is faster, more reliable,
re-useable, requires less space and not a lot more expensive.

Not until you mentioned it, I did read a little of what they had on their website and it is an interesting system.

I also ran into this http://searchstorage.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid5_gci1152286,00.html

But it isn't a simple raid. Its a solution for a data center that will be monitored by technicians, they also didn't discuss (on their website) how they deal with back up maybee its a second system of site?

I guess it depends on what your definition of what defines 'archiving' is. For most it means putting something in storage (offline or near-line) for a long time in stable state that won't decay. For this purpose most raid arrays are not the answer, most of the small arrays (say 4 or less discs) are no more reliable than any other hardrive, and the alrger arrays may have more features to deal with a failure but you need the skill to repair them when they do fail.

I have no idea what you are using (and having 2 probably keeps you safe). but I have both a 4 drive external 'raid' drive and a 16bay 6tb array, but I "archive" to tape becuase it is still the most reliable media. The organization I work for is not about to purchase an automated tape archving system.

But your right DVD, HD-DVD, Blu-ray are all for the birds

Cheers
James

 

[itt]

i know close to zilch about these formats. the only way i see it is
blu-ray has a greater data capacity. that i know i want. why is
hd-dvd better again?

1. There is no stupid region coding, so anyone from eveywhere can buy and watch HD-DVD from Europe, Japan, Australia, etc

2. Is more computer (backup) friendly. (Reason why Intel, Microsoft and HP support HD-DVD.)

3. Easier for Small Producers, Video Amateurs and consumers to produce and recod their own HD-DVD.

4. Cheaper Replication costs. (It uses the same replication fabs than DVD.

5. HD-DVD was the format that officially the DVD Forum supported. Bluray was sort of a saboteur for 1 standard.

6. HD-DVD media is more robust since has lower density than bluray. So for those backing up important stuff HD-DVD-R should safer than blu.

7. HD-DVD does not come from Sony (Evil Predatory Corporation).

More on this from Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_DVD

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[R Valentino]

just a few, some are free some are shareware, some are retail, most if not all are less than $50 (US).

Gene

Disclaimer- "ripping" commercial DVDs is illegal (according to RIAA and others), so even though I know of the software to accomplish this, I do not partake in this heinous abuse of the property rights of those poor movie studios, not even for my own personal use which according to the RIAA is also illegal even if you bought and paid for the original and just want a back up copy to use so you don't damage the original or to take on the plane etc...

 

[Kendall Helmstetter Gelner]

Absolutly ridiculous in this day and age that we should be using a
storage medium where the information is exposed and easily damaged.

Blu-Ray discs are nigh invulnerable (ever tried to scratch one?), they have a special coating that means they are far more resistant to damage than DVD's. I get Blu-Ray discs from netflix and have yet to see a scratch, you should see what netflix DVD's generally look like on the back!

Now another medium choice is hard drives - which are almost sure to fail within a few years. So suddenly you really need two hard drives or you have no content at all.

Discs are actually a pretty good medium, being rather durable and independent (the loss of one disc means loss of one movie, unlike the loss of a hard drive which can wipe out scores).

It's not much better than vinyl records. Video rental stores hate
them for this reason. They should develop something on the lines of
sd cards or usb storage.

Flash memory is a little better but still far, far more expensive than pressing discs - how soon do you think flash memory will be $2 for 50GB in bulk?

I'll dance a jig when DVD's disapear!

With the coating upgrade, I'm happy with them again. It was really a materials issue rather than pure format.

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[Kendall Helmstetter Gelner]

hard drives are faster, cheaper, more reliable....everyone has raid
and/or uses NAS boxes and/or portable USB drives....use em....you can
have multiple backups faster and easier....the BR larger size is such
a red herring LOL!!!!

Spoken like someone who has never had a hard drive failure I presume. For most people hard drives are not as good a solution as discs.

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[linuxworks]

Disclaimer- "ripping" commercial DVDs is illegal (according to RIAA
and others)

those folks really need our help. they surely fight the Good Fight(tm).

in fact, I'm going to send them money just because I care so much about them. they are SO helpful to our society, we owe that industry group quite a lot. they are pioneers and have helped bring about new tech changes that have clearly benefited us all.

(oh barf!)

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