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I am a new photographer looking for advise on purchasing my first set of studio lights. I am shooting portraits from newborns to families to highschool seniors. in a smaill in home studio setup, clients homes and on location. Brand advise? I have been looking at Photogenics. There are several different types and I really don't know the differences. And on the Larson products are they really worth the money or will another less expensive brand work just fine?

Starfish vs. Softbox?

Does anyone else own these or have used them, any reccommendations? Starting with a $2,000 budget what should I get as a basic package? What accessories do I need? I am shooting with a Canon 30D. Any advise is very much appreciated!!

Thank you

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Selina Davis Photography
 
Hi Selina,

Welcome. The main advice I can give you is to price out the whole system, including modifiers.
I have been looking at
Photogenics.
An excellent brand but you will blow your budget very quickly.
Starfish vs. Softbox?
Never heard of a starfish. I use Chimera softboxes and they are great.
Does anyone else own these or have used them, any reccommendations?
Starting with a $2,000 budget what should I get as a basic package?
I'd start small. Get a decent 300ws monolight strobe and a medium softbox as well as a stand for the light for it (you can always use these two items no matter what else you do). Find yourself a large piece of white styrofoam (any furniture store will have a ton laying around that they will be happy to get rid of) for use as a reflector. Devise/build a way to position and hold it (PVC frame works fine).

Play with that for a month and you will quickly figure out how to spend a lot more money to acheive your vision. Resist the urge to buy an "All in one kit" because there is no such thing that will suit your exact needs.
Cheers,
-Kent
 
Other than alien bees what is a good set to start with. I am going to buy atleast 2 lights and reflectors if not 3 if I use the softbox as the main light how do I set up the fill light? With an umbrella?
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Selina Davis Photography
 
Most, probably all these kits come with underpowered lights and cheesy modifiers that will practically force you to use the cheesiest lighting styles possible, you know the crosslighted kiddie pix with a light on either side of the camera.

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Ok I've heard that from several people. But am still needing a little help on what I do need to buy. Brand names? Where to buy them for the best deal?
soft boxes and umbrellas? sizes of stands?

And Starfish are made by Larson Enterprises, I guess they are the same as an octagon box.

High key as well as low key lighting. I don't want to be stuck only doing lowkey shots.
wireless systems or how to set everything up on slave?
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Selina Davis Photography
 
It sounds like you want to jump right in and open fire... fair enough, I guess. Play with fire and we'll see what happens...

I really think you need to pick some images that you wish to reproduce the lighting on and work backward from there. It saves time and money.

It's difficult to buy a 3 light kit with a medium softbox, umbrellas, boom, grids, backdrop, and stands for 2 grand.
Other than alien bees what is a good set to start with.
There are very few "bad" brands out there. Modifier and accessory availability and price are the main things. It all comes back to what you want to produce (I think I said that...)
I am going
to buy atleast 2 lights and reflectors if not 3 if I use the softbox
as the main light how do I set up the fill light? With an umbrella?
That is one of about a million ways, yes. What look are you after?
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Selina Davis Photography
 
Ok I've heard that from several people. But am still needing a
little help on what I do need to buy.
On your first post you said you would do babies to family groups, in a studio, on location, in other words everything anywhere. Someone else gave what is great advice, buy one good head and a stand and reflector and learn with that and you'll know about what to get from there.
Brand names?
Most mid range strobes are like other consumer goods, highly competitive with incremental differences between this or that brand and model, and like stereos, cars, computers, guys can argue around and around forever about what is better or sucks worse. What do your friends use? having neighbors, friends, or a camera store with a rental department means you can borrow additionsal stuff and accessories or rent them.

Where to buy
them for the best deal?
craigslist.org every year a couple hundred decide to become photogs and every year most of them give up or go broke, CL will have a lot of classified ads for studio stuff, you can check them out before you buy, something you can't do on ebay, my other choice. and often when you buy from a closing studio you get a bunch of other accessories and stuff included, something that rarely happens on ebay cause those dealers often buy that same stuff and part it all out. BandH B&H is a major internet/mail order dealer with a decent rep, check out anyother dealer on resellerratings.com
soft boxes and umbrellas? sizes of stands?
stands? 13 foot get at least one pneumatic as your main stand, one that you will probably adjust the most so you don't have your prized monohead come crashing down. how many? depending on how you hang your background, none, one or two, a main light, a fill (get a boom arm, or use several heads to bounce off the backwall for a fill system) a hair/effects light (again another boom arm)

softboxes/brollies? larger is usually better, how tall is your ceiling? see if you can find an "Ed Pierce" Westcott Halo since you will be doing portable work, it opens like an umbrella but is a softbox 30x40 which is small by my way of thinking but still fast and easy to use.

you can spend a fortune on softboxes, but I've suggested this a half dozen times today, the rule of thumb that commercial photogs go by is that the light source is 2x the size of the subject 1x in distance from it. which suggests a really really big softbox, or you can go to a fabric store and buy enough sports nylon ripstop etc to make a curtain from near your background to close to the camera position and put your flash behind it and bounce it off the side wall, now you have a really really big softbox, aka northlight wall. and the space in the middle can be a changing room for the models. This wall of light concept is very cool and fine art oriented, very forgiving, you won't be doing much 'corrective' lighting but then you won't be harming them visually either, and the best thing, seriously, 99.44% of all photogs use the same old highly specular lights that kiddie pix studios, shopping mall studios, church directory studios, passport and ID studios, some are better than others but most all photogs do this, except a small number that have a huge northlight system, and nearly everyone ranks among the best photogs in teh country, among the highest paid. check out Darton Drake who btw is a spokesman or sponsored by Larson below.
And Starfish are made by Larson Enterprises, I guess they are the
same as an octagon box.
slightly different, the starfish bulges out, I believe the octagon is flat like a chimera type softbox, again, either bounce the flash off a white wall or use a halo, cheaper and faster
High key as well as low key lighting. I don't want to be stuck only
doing lowkey shots.
for those who use a fill based exposure system, (I think they are really old fashioned based on the black/white expose for the shadows, develop for the highlight method) can build a high key set on one side, bounce four heads around to make a smooth even white wall, this wall makes a fine fill light for the low key side.
wireless systems or how to set everything up on slave?
some cameras and flash systems have wireless built in, others get pocket wizards or others, well worth it but an investment. those cheap things they sell on ebay will work well enough in the studio.
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Selina Davis Photography
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try to refrain from "bargain brands", alien bees included. even photogenic is not built for professional use on location. understanding that you are not into spending $3000 on a lighting kit, i would recommend three options: visatec (it's a budget line of broncolor, but there is no compromise in build quality), bowens (actually, you may be better off buying calumet, which is rebranded bowens, from calumetphoto.com) and, as the least desirable option, hensel.

advantages of visatec: very simple operation, unbelievable consistency, high reliability and formidable build quality. if you go fo visatec logos, they are remarkably small and light.

advantages of bowens: fairly small, all-metal (but not that heavy), abundance of affordable light-modifiers from paterson-interfit that has the same mount, optional autonomous capability (very useful thing on location)

advantages of hensel: compared to the other two, its not that cool at all, but cheaper. the worst thing about hensel is the mount. unlike the other two, it does not let one-hand operation and prone to mismounting.

DO NOT get Elinchrom, especially if you want to do location photography. Just don't, there are too many things to list :)
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Irakly Shanidze
http://www.shanidze.com/en
 
I started out with a cheap pair of Opus 150W/s (the 15022 kit) with umbrellas and stands and the large (36"x48" softbox). Nothing fancy, nothing to "ooooooh and aaaaaaah" about, but they do the job. Are they they best out there? Absolutely not. Do they do the job? You bet, and for a LOT less than 2K$. And best of all , for me, is that they are teaching me about lighting.

My opinion (others have theirs) is that you start small and learn: just like buying a new camera won't magically improve your shots instantly, buying the top-end lights isn't going to magically teach you proper lighting.

Just my .02$ worth ,

Jean D
Ottawa, ON
Canada
 
I use the Photogentic 1250DR mono lights. I do school portrait work set the lights up every day on location.Probably 140 thousand pops on these strobes. These are great lights and the price is not bad. I have been using these for four years and never had a problem. The nice thing is these lights have digital adjustments on them and you can adjust the power in 10th's and 1/2 power with the touch of the button. If you handle these lights with TLC they will last a long time. I also use a surge protector with all my AC connections.

Just my experience with these light.

Sol
 
maybe it is going to sound counterintuitive, but this is not the most economical way. sooner or later you will outgrow the opus and will want to buy something more durable. you will have to either sell the opus kit for a substantial loss, because nobody wants this stuff used, or just forget about it and shell out 1.5K for bowens, or 2K for profoto. one can learn just as well using good lights and then use them professionally for the next ten years. i still own and use broncolor s80 monolights that i bought 15 years ago used.
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Irakly Shanidze
http://www.shanidze.com/en
 
I think the lights that are currently on the market today have a lot on newer features for digital. I have a power pack that weighs 30 lbs and still is a great unit, bought this one 35 years ago, still works great.

The new lights are a pleasure to work with and you can fine tune the light within 10th, stops, with ease.

Not that you can't do with the old lights. Plus if I don't buy new products I have nothing to write off on taxes. I worked with the old lights and I don't miss them. I do miss my Rollie, and RB. , but it's is time to move on.
 
Irakly, Why do I need to sell my Opus lights when I decide to get 'better' lights? When I get to the point of getting newer lights, I'll still have the Opus light to use as backlights, or hair lights or whatever I need them for. I may be in the minority, but I don't believe that you have to spend a lot of money on equipment to get good shots- you just have to know what you're doing and how best to use the equipment you've got. Same as a new camera isn't magically going to make your shots better, expensive lighting isn't going to magically improve your shots either.

Jean D.
 
For home studio, you can buy a lot for $2k. Look at their web site for various packages. You get 5% of accessories for each strobe you buy.

Another brand from same company is White Lighting. AB offers 60 days satisfaction gurantee.

You need to have lightmeter also, around $250.

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Bobby

http://bobbyz.smugmug.com
 
I haven't bought any yet myself but want something that has quite a range of light and has very good quality. I never want to buy things twice.

I started thinking White Lightnings, then saw the Hensels, then went on to the Auroras.

What I like about these is the fact that you can dial them down to 5ws if you need to, or dial them all the way up to 1200ws.

Some of the comments I have heard is that they are comparable to Hensels for quality. Personally I can't verify anything because I too... am still shopping. If I buy, I will probably only get a single light that is REALLY good and play with it for a while before I move on to a second light.

http://www.boothphoto.com

Watch the video.
 
I remember... hence my comments to the OP. Thanks again for your input.
 
Two years ago, I have bought four Aurora UniLever Pro Series:
1x300
1x600
2x1200

It is selfpowered, so it is pretty big, considering the 1200 w version. The size is ok with the 300w and the 600w versions. It has a nice design and it is very well built, very reliable. It has a one quarter inch plug. So if you want to use pocket wizard with it, you will have buy appropriate cables in electronics stores, it is easy to find.

There is some different version available in Europe. Some of these models can controlled wireless:
http://www.alb.co.kr/html/eng/sub_flash.htm

This is a very good product. It is distributed in Canada by Booth Photo: http://www.boothphoto.com/home.cfm

Booth is having an excellent service: I bought too Studio Titan Stands, I have broken a colar while trying to adjust it. It has been replaced for free within a few days. I was really impressed.

In Montreal you can buy it with LLozeau:
http://www.lllozeau.com/

In Ottawa you can get it with Henry's:

http://www.henrys.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/DepartmentDisplay?storeId=10001&currency=CAD&departmentId=main&catalogId=10001&start=1&ddkey=SetCurrencyPreference

You can buy it elsewhere too.

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We always find when we search
 
If you were going to only buy one of the Uni-Lever Pro, which of the three would you buy 300, 600 or 1200? Considering that they all can be daled down to 5ws?

Most of my stuff would be indoor, close range, but there is still that chance I could do a wedding with a large group shot.
 

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