Nikon's advertising just may.....

[piperphoto]

As above - except that the Canon 5D could probably handle the 14mm view and the reasonably clean ISO 6400 - but doesn't do 8-10 fps, and may not (?) have as great a remote capability.

This was one frame from a series blasted off on the motor - and I imagine the shooter was safely 30 feet away from the camera position when he pushed the remote button!

A sound-bite advertising headline is always going to leave a lot of things unsaid...

(I'm a rangefinder shooter, so I'm stuck with Leica, and don't have a dog in this fight. Both Nikon and Canon have superb top-end cameras as of 2007 - but with slightly different capabilities).

 

[natureman]

What counts, in the context of this thread is truth, or lack thereof, in advertising.

I got that posted on my last issue of Rangefinder Magazine, I'll
bring it to you next time we meet, it's very impressive in real life.

Who gives a cr@p if Genuine Fractals was used, Bottom line, the
Photographer got Paid for the job and it got published!! In the real
world, that is all that counts!!!

M-O-N-E-Y!!!

You shoot the job, You deliver the job, they pay you for the job,
better yet, they do it all over again and again and again!!

Y

It's hard to believe, I'm really at a loss for words. Anyway, thanks
for showing the picture.

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[natureman]

This has nothing to do with favoring Canon over Nikon.

This may be the most laughable post I"ve seen.

.....be even more deceptive and absurd than Canon's. Have you seen
the Nikon ad on the right side of the page here? The one that says no
other DSLR on the planet could take that picture of the guy on the
motorcycle? That only the D3 could do it?

Do any of you think that another camera could take that shot? And
keep in mind that the shot is pretty damn small, so it is difficult
to impossible to determine some things from it.

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[natureman]

The 1D III can do 14mm and so can a lot of other cameras. Who said it has to be a Canon zoom lens? ISO can be pushed in PP.

Besides, to get a shot like that, it isn't necessarily a must that ISO 6400 be used.

The 1ds III can't do 6400
The 1d III can't do 14mm

Case solved, that was simple.

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[natureman]

The 5D can be operated remotely as easily as any other camera.

As above - except that the Canon 5D could probably handle the 14mm
view and the reasonably clean ISO 6400 - but doesn't do 8-10 fps, and
may not (?) have as great a remote capability.

This was one frame from a series blasted off on the motor - and I
imagine the shooter was safely 30 feet away from the camera position
when he pushed the remote button!

A sound-bite advertising headline is always going to leave a lot of
things unsaid...

(I'm a rangefinder shooter, so I'm stuck with Leica, and don't have a
dog in this fight. Both Nikon and Canon have superb top-end cameras
as of 2007 - but with slightly different capabilities).

 

[Dave Largent]

There is a movie on the

site that shows how the picture was made, quite interesting.

I watched the movie. He wasn't even holding the camera!
Cheating.

 

[J Row]

Don't think your 14 can hold a candle to the 14-24. That was simpler.

The 1ds III can't do 6400
The 1d III can't do 14mm

Case solved, that was simple.

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jr

 

[J Row]

You've got to be kidding! True in advertising! Are you on something. You are a Canon fanboy who will use any means at slamming Nikon. If you were so high-minded, you would be all over Canon for its exaggerations regarding the 1D3 prior to release. You will be very busy calling out all advertisers for any potential false statements. Your hands will certainly be full with that assignment. Or, would you prefer to admit this is nothing more than your anti-Nikon bias showing.

You still have only speculated that Canon can make the shot, so, until you prove it, this thread continues to be a joke. And I'm stupid to keep coming back. Its like a car accident, I can't stop looking. That makes me an idiot like you.

BTW, this is my last post, so you can take all the shots you want at me. I shall not respond.

I got that posted on my last issue of Rangefinder Magazine, I'll
bring it to you next time we meet, it's very impressive in real life.

Who gives a cr@p if Genuine Fractals was used, Bottom line, the
Photographer got Paid for the job and it got published!! In the real
world, that is all that counts!!!

M-O-N-E-Y!!!

You shoot the job, You deliver the job, they pay you for the job,
better yet, they do it all over again and again and again!!

Y

It's hard to believe, I'm really at a loss for words. Anyway, thanks
for showing the picture.

Regards,

Joe Kurkjian, Pbase Supporter



SEARCHING FOR A BETTER SELF PORTRAIT

--
jr

 

[60mm]

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[60mm]

Even 1/2500 would most likely soften up from some blur when the motorcycles are flying by literally inches away from the lens. Remember, at 14mm, with the cycle that close in the image, it has to be dangerously close. I honestly dont see what the big deal is and why people freak out. Who honestly will be taking those shots on this forum? Really goes to show you how much self worth alot of people have wrapped up in their possessions. My 5d could never nail this shot in a trillion years and I couldnt care less.

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[dave_s93]

The 1D III can do 14mm and so can a lot of other cameras. Who said it
has to be a Canon zoom lens? ISO can be pushed in PP.

Besides, to get a shot like that, it isn't necessarily a must that
ISO 6400 be used.

OK, the 1D III can do 14mm, but with the 1.3x crop factor, you would need it to do 11mm. To get the same DoF, you would need f3 instead of f4.

As far as needing ISO 6400, it depends if you need 1/5000 shutterspeed or not. I would say to freeze action in motorsports at dusk, it is needed.

 

[natureman]

Uh, you might want to take look at the NUMEROUS posts I've made about Canon's deceptive, false, arrogant, absurd advertising regarding the 1D MKIII, and the ridiculous way they've handled, or mishandled, the ongoing problems with the camera and the so-called "fix".

Me, a Canon fanboy? As John wayne would say: "Not hardly."

You still have only speculated that Canon can make the shot, so,
until you prove it, this thread continues to be a joke. And I'm
stupid to keep coming back. Its like a car accident, I can't stop
looking. That makes me an idiot like you.

BTW, this is my last post, so you can take all the shots you want at
me. I shall not respond.

I got that posted on my last issue of Rangefinder Magazine, I'll
bring it to you next time we meet, it's very impressive in real life.

Who gives a cr@p if Genuine Fractals was used, Bottom line, the
Photographer got Paid for the job and it got published!! In the real
world, that is all that counts!!!

M-O-N-E-Y!!!

You shoot the job, You deliver the job, they pay you for the job,
better yet, they do it all over again and again and again!!

Y

It's hard to believe, I'm really at a loss for words. Anyway, thanks
for showing the picture.

Regards,

Joe Kurkjian, Pbase Supporter



SEARCHING FOR A BETTER SELF PORTRAIT

--
jr

 

[natureman]

The 5D can be pushed to 6400 and, like I said before, who said it has to be a Canon lens? Besides, I said lots of cameras could get that shot. Why are you comparing the 1D MKIII?

And who the Hell said that ONLY a 14mm lens could take that shot? Nikon? Yeah.

Seems to me that a 16-35 Canon lens on a 1.3 crop body and the camera backed up a little would produce pretty much the same shot. The 16-35 on a 5D would also work, as would other methods and camera/lens combinations.

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[60mm]

5d could never pull that image off, I know, I use it. The focus would fail miserably, the frame rate is from from close and the ISO capabilities are off by atleast a stop. And yeah, you would need 14mm to get the perspective in that picture. The difference between 14mm and 21mm is huge. You could try the sigma 12-24 but it's going to be a bit slower, the focus isnt near as fast so good luck there, and youd end up at about 16mm on the mk III. Why the mk III? Because the 5d wouldnt have a chance.

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[natureman]

Panning the camera to follow the movement of the motorcycles is the usual way of freezing the action, along with fast shutter speeds (but not necessarily 1/5000 of a second). Does it matter if the far distant background is not sharp? In fact, wouldn't it be better if it weren't? For decades, photographers have been getting sharp shots of motorcycles racing at very high speeds and in all kinds of weather conditions, and they did it without a D3.

The 1D III can do 14mm and so can a lot of other cameras. Who said it
has to be a Canon zoom lens? ISO can be pushed in PP.

Besides, to get a shot like that, it isn't necessarily a must that
ISO 6400 be used.

OK, the 1D III can do 14mm, but with the 1.3x crop factor, you would
need it to do 11mm. To get the same DoF, you would need f3 instead
of f4.

No, the camera can be backed up a little, which would also affect DOF. Besides, with lenses that short, DOF wouldn't be much of a concern.

As far as needing ISO 6400, it depends if you need 1/5000
shutterspeed or not. I would say to freeze action in motorsports at
dusk, it is needed.

 

[60mm]

The ad doesn't say, "no other camera could take a pretty similar picture". It said no other camera can take "that" picture. They're right and you've admitted it yourself many times over by suggesting alternative ways to get the shot since Canon can't do it the same way. There's no deception in the ad.

No one has taken shots that closeup and extreme with no flash in low light before, the techonology didn't support it.

And perspective has a huge impact on images, the 16 on the 1d III would give give a massively different perspective then the 14 on the D3, no way around that. Take a different shot that you feel is comparable but you wont get that one. If the perspective difference was as negligible as you make it seem, why would Canon make a 14 and a 20? Probably because they offer very different perspectives . . .

Dream on with the 5d man, no panning or act of focus god could get it to do that.

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[natureman]

Comments like yours make me wonder how anyone ever got a sharp picture of a moving subject in mediocre light before there were fancy, expensive, autofocusing DSLR's. The only thing I can think of is that they used skill.

5d could never pull that image off, I know, I use it. The focus
would fail miserably, the frame rate is from from close and the ISO
capabilities are off by atleast a stop. And yeah, you would need
14mm to get the perspective in that picture. The difference between
14mm and 21mm is huge. You could try the sigma 12-24 but it's going
to be a bit slower, the focus isnt near as fast so good luck there,
and youd end up at about 16mm on the mk III. Why the mk III?
Because the 5d wouldnt have a chance.

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[60mm]

No flash, very low light, inches away from a motorcycle going at very high speeds

Ive never seen it before . . .

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[natureman]

Fine, then I'll say this: A 5D with a 14mm lens could get that exact shot in the exact same conditions, especially if a little skill was used, and getting the shot wasn't totally dependent on machine gunning at very high FPS and getting lucky. In the right hands, 3fps would be plenty.

The ad doesn't say, "no other camera could take a pretty similar
picture". It said no other camera can take "that" picture. They're
right and you've admitted it yourself many times over by suggesting
alternative ways to get the shot since Canon can't do it the same
way. There's no deception in the ad.

No one has taken shots that closeup and extreme with no flash in low
light before, the techonology didn't support it.

And perspective has a huge impact on images, the 16 on the 1d III
would give give a massively different perspective then the 14 on the
D3, no way around that. Take a different shot that you feel is
comparable but you wont get that one. If the perspective difference
was as negligible as you make it seem, why would Canon make a 14 and
a 20? Probably because they offer very different perspectives . . .

Dream on with the 5d man, no panning or act of focus god could get it
to do that.

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[60mm]

5d cant match that iso performance and youd have to have the guys whiz around the track for quite a while while you try your luck with the focus. Your best bet would be to have some kind of trigger system with the focus preset. If the 5d's focus could do that thered be no point to the 1d III. Have you shot much with a 5d? Its a killer camera that im very pleased with but its not a sports camera by any stretch of the imagination let alone extreme settings. The 5d cant track a person running in circles in a living room, try it!

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