Nikon's advertising just may.....

[natureman]

For a guy who only comes here "to check on new products, reviews, problem with gear", you sure make a lot of posts on the forums.

The picture was not shot at "night".

Like you said, this shot was chosen because of the sparks. Otherwise, there's nothing special about that shot. Sparks do not a great photo make.

Lots of cameras could get that shot.

It is dark because it is at night. I know the guy who made this
image. The A/D chose it over the ones where the rider was more in
focus because of the sparks. The area around the sparks is tack and
has plenty of detail for ISO 6400.

This shot proves that not only is the D3 great for editorially based
work, it is also great for advertising. It is pretty much the digital
F5, all a lot of us really ever needed from any maker.

Canon makes awesome stuff, I made many hundreds of thousands of great
images in the 4 years that I used it. But it was always a temporary
fix until my prefered system could make a full frame rig.

Well not only did Nikon make one, they crushed it out of the park.
This is good for the whole industry. But fanboys will never see that
as they are always wanting to brag about having the best ( so they
think ).

This site is one of the sadest I have ever seen. I tell my Summer
workshop participants to stay away from it like the plague, because
there is VERY rarely a brilliant image and instead, lots of hate, put
downs, gear heads and nothing that really matters too much.

The reason I come here is to check on new products, reviews, problems
with gear, but other than that, nada.

They are distributing that photo as a 20x30" poster with the latest
issue of (either Shutterbug or Popular Photography, I forget which)
magazine. I was not very impressed with the overall image quality.
Grain wasn't too bad, but underexposed and not well focused. Nice
camera angle and sparks.

 

[LarryK]

For a guy who only comes here "to check on new products, reviews,
problem with gear", you sure make a lot of posts on the forums.

The picture was not shot at "night".

Like you said, this shot was chosen because of the sparks. Otherwise,
there's nothing special about that shot. Sparks do not a great photo
make.

Lots of cameras could get that shot.

Natureman,

why are you so down on DanNikon, he sounds like a perectly reasonable guy with plenty of experience in advertising.

It's not a bad shot, sorry, if you don't like it, that's your opinion. It certainly was not without technical challenges that many would not surmount regardless of camera, and while it may not be the best motorcycle shot ever, nor even be the best shot in the session, it was the one the Art Director wanted to use. Last time I checked photographers in advertising didn't call all the shots.

If you really want to criticize someone, blame the agency or the AD, and the marketing guys at Nikon.

This ad's statement is hyperbole to be sure, find me some advertising without that.

I find the approach a lot less egregious than Canon's vested masses at NFL games.

Maybe you'd prefer it if Nikon ran a headline saying: "The D3, a pretty good camera you might want to look into while your 1DIII is in the shop."

Larry

 

[natureman]

I've got to admit, your last lines really cracked me up. Right now, I'd say that an ad statement like that would be quite fitting.

For a guy who only comes here "to check on new products, reviews,
problem with gear", you sure make a lot of posts on the forums.

The picture was not shot at "night".

Like you said, this shot was chosen because of the sparks. Otherwise,
there's nothing special about that shot. Sparks do not a great photo
make.

Lots of cameras could get that shot.

Natureman,
why are you so down on DanNikon, he sounds like a perectly reasonable
guy with plenty of experience in advertising.

I have no problem with DanNikon, except when he says things that are not true.

It's not a bad shot, sorry, if you don't like it, that's your
opinion. It certainly was not without technical challenges that many
would not surmount regardless of camera, and while it may not be the
best motorcycle shot ever, nor even be the best shot in the session,
it was the one the Art Director wanted to use. Last time I checked
photographers in advertising didn't call all the shots.

I never said it was a "bad shot", and my criticism is aimed at Nikon. I also detest false advertising statements made by any other company.

If you really want to criticize someone, blame the agency or the AD,
and the marketing guys at Nikon.

I am blaming Nikon.

This ad's statement is hyperbole to be sure, find me some advertising
without that.
I find the approach a lot less egregious than Canon's vested masses
at NFL games.

If you read the title of this thread and what I first wrote, you'll see that I also think that Canon's way of advertising is absurd. I'm certainly not a Canon fanboy, or a fanboy of any particular company.

Maybe you'd prefer it if Nikon ran a headline saying: "The D3, a
pretty good camera you might want to look into while your 1DIII is in
the shop."

Like I said above, this is hilarious, and I'll add brilliant.

Larry

 

[iano]

nothing here....move along

 

[natureman]

This is the picture from the Nikon ad. I captured it and saved it as a quality 12 jpg file. This is the same size as it is in the ad.

 

[Tom Rowland]

Some of the explanations are typical of how advertisers use a technical trick to justify something. Kinda like Bill Clinton saying it "depends on what the definition of is is".

From all I have read the d3 is a very good body; but IMHO this type of ad does little to help its image.

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Those who forget history are condemned to go to summer school.

 

[LarryK]

Maybe you'd prefer it if Nikon ran a headline saying: "The D3, a
pretty good camera you might want to look into while your 1DIII is in
the shop."

Like I said above, this is hilarious, and I'll add brilliant.

Thanks Natureman, maybe I can pitch it to Nikon.

Larry

 

[douglashuang]

What ad? Years of media training makes me completely disregard ads, like a reflex. Turning a blind eye to them second nature now.

 

[J A K]

It's hard to believe, I'm really at a loss for words. Anyway, thanks for showing the picture.

Regards,

Joe Kurkjian, Pbase Supporter



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[scottjj]

Actually, you're the one coming across as a Nikon fanboy.

I'd rather shoot my Nikon Coolpix 950 any day rather than use that crappy 1D2N sitting in the bag. Not.

I just received big copy of the Nikon-shot motorcycle picture in the mail with my copy of the PPA mag. It is stunning but I'm not trying to pick Nikon's copy apart just because my camera couldn't take the same shot.

 

[Victor Engel]

The full sized one, which I've seen only in print (from two magazines so far) is a bit more impressive. At first glance, it doesn't impress. It only impresses when you realize the EV of the scene and shutter speed, not, as others have said already, that the choice of setting was particularly ideal.

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[Victor Engel]

Actually, there's a Canon Magazine AD showing a bunch of Shooters
with Canon Gear Bunched up on the Sideline with NFL (now Pink)
Vests..... This shot was a Dramatization!!!

You mean the one that has lenses at the ends of the lens hoods? I really cracked up the first time I saw that one.

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[Skip M]

Follow the advert and you will find a much bigger image to view.

I thought "yeah right" when I first read the blurb.... it's a pretty
big claim to make.

The image is a good one, although there is something not right with
it's look. In places it looks like it's been run though Genuine
Fractals IMO.... it's got that painterly appearance.

I thought the same thing, a huge version was included as a poster in Rangefinder this month. Not only can I name a camera or two that could have taken that shot, even enlarged to that point, I wasn't that impressed with the image, anyway.
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[J Row]

Wow, that slam improved your camera and picture taking ability. You guys need a life. How many responses to a silly post--Nikon more deceptive and absurd than Canon. OK, you claim they are wrong, go and take it with your 1D3. Until you prove them wrong they are not being deceptive or absurd. Of course the claim of "painterly" is sure to follow. At what point will you just stop worrying about Nikon and concentrate on Canon stuff? Are you really afraid that some Canon shooters will go over to the "dark side?' If they do, how does that effect your photography?

This may be the most laughable post I"ve seen.

.....be even more deceptive and absurd than Canon's. Have you seen
the Nikon ad on the right side of the page here? The one that says no
other DSLR on the planet could take that picture of the guy on the
motorcycle? That only the D3 could do it?

Do any of you think that another camera could take that shot? And
keep in mind that the shot is pretty damn small, so it is difficult
to impossible to determine some things from it.

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[Markuson]

It's hard to believe, I'm really at a loss for words. Anyway, thanks
for showing the picture.

The "impressive" part isn't obvious until you know that it was shot in near darkness, without flash, at ISO 6400. I'd say that's hinting toward "impressive" though at that tiny size, noise is hidden in the extreme.

Anyway... Much ado about little...

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[Yamil R. Sued50621]

Well, that one is one of them!!

Hey, I use both a Nikon and a Canon systems, I have done so for over 25 years, but some of the posts in here are getting sillier every day!!

This OP is completely out there!!

And sometimes they wonder why Working Pros won't give them the time of day when they approach them. Some of these theories and the Fanboy attitude discourage any kind of intelligent conversation or discussion.

Y

Actually, there's a Canon Magazine AD showing a bunch of Shooters
with Canon Gear Bunched up on the Sideline with NFL (now Pink)
Vests..... This shot was a Dramatization!!!

You mean the one that has lenses at the ends of the lens hoods? I
really cracked up the first time I saw that one.

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http://www.pbase.com/victorengel/

 

[Yamil R. Sued50621]

YUP, that's the one!!

I got that posted on my last issue of Rangefinder Magazine, I'll bring it to you next time we meet, it's very impressive in real life.

Who gives a cr@p if Genuine Fractals was used, Bottom line, the Photographer got Paid for the job and it got published!! In the real world, that is all that counts!!!

M-O-N-E-Y!!!

You shoot the job, You deliver the job, they pay you for the job, better yet, they do it all over again and again and again!!

Y

It's hard to believe, I'm really at a loss for words. Anyway, thanks
for showing the picture.

Regards,

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[Skip M]

What I'm asking is: Do you think that another camera could take a
closely comparable picture (or even better) of that subject in the
same conditions?

...I can not believe you are asking this!!!

They key point here is NOT the camera, but the LENS used, and how
closed it was to the bikes. NIKON may have a point with respect the
COMBO (FF camera + 14-24). The shot was taken at f/4, BTW.

If that's the point, then the magic is in the photographer (no surprise, there!) having the .... to get close enough to that bike with a 14-24. I'd be safely ensconced elswhere with a 70-200... But, true, since no one else makes a 14-24, then that shot couldn't be taken with any other camera, even another Nikon. Although a 10.5 on a D300 might do the trick.

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[60mm]

The 1ds III can't do 6400
The 1d III can't do 14mm

Case solved, that was simple.

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[natureman]

Actually, that is precisely the picture from the ad I'm referring to. The ad here on DPR.

The full sized one, which I've seen only in print (from two magazines
so far) is a bit more impressive. At first glance, it doesn't
impress. It only impresses when you realize the EV of the scene and
shutter speed, not, as others have said already, that the choice of
setting was particularly ideal.

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