Nikon's advertising just may.....

[natureman]

.....be even more deceptive and absurd than Canon's. Have you seen the Nikon ad on the right side of the page here? The one that says no other DSLR on the planet could take that picture of the guy on the motorcycle? That only the D3 could do it?

Do any of you think that another camera could take that shot? And keep in mind that the shot is pretty damn small, so it is difficult to impossible to determine some things from it.

 

[IvaBigin]

Follow the advert and you will find a much bigger image to view.

I thought "yeah right" when I first read the blurb.... it's a pretty big claim to make.

The image is a good one, although there is something not right with it's look. In places it looks like it's been run though Genuine Fractals IMO.... it's got that painterly appearance.

 

[heinzguderian]

.....be even more deceptive and absurd than Canon's. Have you seen
the Nikon ad on the right side of the page here? The one that says no
other DSLR on the planet could take that picture of the guy on the
motorcycle? That only the D3 could do it?

Do any of you think that another camera could take that shot? And
keep in mind that the shot is pretty damn small, so it is difficult
to impossible to determine some things from it.

I don't see that ad?

 

[natureman]

It shows up sometimes. Fairly often if you change pages on the forums a lot.

I realize that it would be a lot easier to see it if it weren't so intermittent, but I'm afraid I can't control that. Hang in there. It will turn up.

.....be even more deceptive and absurd than Canon's. Have you seen
the Nikon ad on the right side of the page here? The one that says no
other DSLR on the planet could take that picture of the guy on the
motorcycle? That only the D3 could do it?

Do any of you think that another camera could take that shot? And
keep in mind that the shot is pretty damn small, so it is difficult
to impossible to determine some things from it.

I don't see that ad?

 

[natureman]

.....be even more deceptive and absurd than Canon's. Have you seen
the Nikon ad on the right side of the page here? The one that says no
other DSLR on the planet could take that picture of the guy on the
motorcycle? That only the D3 could do it?

Do any of you think that another camera could take that shot? And
keep in mind that the shot is pretty damn small, so it is difficult
to impossible to determine some things from it.

I just want to ad something here.

When it comes to determining whether another DSLR could take that shot, I'm mainly thinking of what Nikon is bragging about. So, it doesn't necessarily matter if every single pixel looks exactly the same from camera to camera.

What I'm asking is: Do you think that another camera could take a closely comparable picture (or even better) of that subject in the same conditions?

 

[IvaBigin]

.....be even more deceptive and absurd than Canon's. Have you seen
the Nikon ad on the right side of the page here? The one that says no
other DSLR on the planet could take that picture of the guy on the
motorcycle? That only the D3 could do it?

Do any of you think that another camera could take that shot? And
keep in mind that the shot is pretty damn small, so it is difficult
to impossible to determine some things from it.

I just want to ad something here.

When it comes to determining whether another DSLR could take that
shot, I'm mainly thinking of what Nikon is bragging about. So, it
doesn't necessarily matter if every single pixel looks exactly the
same from camera to camera.

What I'm asking is: Do you think that another camera could take a
closely comparable picture (or even better) of that subject in the
same conditions?

The shot was taken at 14mm, 6400ISO, f4, 1/5000 sec ...so I think Nikon is playing on the 6400ISO thing. In reality an almost identical shot could could have been made at 3200ISO 1/2500 sec, or even by pushing a 3200ISO shot.

Question it as much as we want, but when you think about it, the Nikon was the only camera there, so yes, "that" shot couldn't have been made with any other camera. lol

 

[natureman]

.....be even more deceptive and absurd than Canon's. Have you seen
the Nikon ad on the right side of the page here? The one that says no
other DSLR on the planet could take that picture of the guy on the
motorcycle? That only the D3 could do it?

Do any of you think that another camera could take that shot? And
keep in mind that the shot is pretty damn small, so it is difficult
to impossible to determine some things from it.

I just want to ad something here.

When it comes to determining whether another DSLR could take that
shot, I'm mainly thinking of what Nikon is bragging about. So, it
doesn't necessarily matter if every single pixel looks exactly the
same from camera to camera.

What I'm asking is: Do you think that another camera could take a
closely comparable picture (or even better) of that subject in the
same conditions?

The shot was taken at 14mm, 6400ISO, f4, 1/5000 sec ...so I think
Nikon is playing on the 6400ISO thing. In reality an almost
identical shot could could have been made at 3200ISO 1/2500 sec, or
even by pushing a 3200ISO shot.

Question it as much as we want, but when you think about it, the
Nikon was the only camera there, so yes, "that" shot couldn't have
been made with any other camera. lol

Based on your last sentence, you're absolutely right! Why didn't I think of that? LOL

 

[rutgher]

Well it is and ad so ofcourse they make bold claims. They won't say ,,This image could have been made with a 1D Mark III a Sony A1 etc etc." Look up Nikon Pro Challenge on Google. There is a movie on the site that shows how the picture was made, quite interesting.
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[hunk]

I don't want to spoil your party but as far as i have seen the D3 is best camera on earth at 6400 iso. What's wrong with their claim?

No, I haven't seen the advertisement... I'm waiting... CNet, Tamron...

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http://www.x32.nl

 

[BrianZ]

They are distributing that photo as a 20x30" poster with the latest issue of (either Shutterbug or Popular Photography, I forget which) magazine. I was not very impressed with the overall image quality. Grain wasn't too bad, but underexposed and not well focused. Nice camera angle and sparks.

 

[natureman]

I don't want to spoil your party but as far as i have seen the D3 is
best camera on earth at 6400 iso. What's wrong with their claim?

Well, since you asked, I think their claim in that ad is deceptive, dishonest, deluded, demented, absurd, ridiculous, outrageous, false, misleading, arrogant, baseless, and just plain wrong.

Oh, and I'm not saying that because I'm a Canon fanboy. I think my posts on this forum show that I'm not a fanboy of any particular brand. I just don't like completely dishonest ads.

Most DSLR's, if not all could get that shot, and so could most or all film SLR's. In fact, many point and shoots could get that shot, especially when in the right photographer's hands. I really don't see anything special about that shot.

You'd think that no one ever got a shot similar to, or even better than that before the D3 came out. What a bunch of BS.

No, I haven't seen the advertisement... I'm waiting... CNet, Tamron...

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http://www.x32.nl

 

[PIXmantra]

What I'm asking is: Do you think that another camera could take a
closely comparable picture (or even better) of that subject in the
same conditions?

...I can not believe you are asking this!!!

They key point here is NOT the camera, but the LENS used, and how closed it was to the bikes. NIKON may have a point with respect the COMBO (FF camera + 14-24). The shot was taken at f/4, BTW.

As for ISO6400, as well as the actual tonal scale of the image, there is sbsolutely NO magic in there!

This Bikon's marketing campaign (brilliantly executed) works because of folks... like YOU!!!

Love,

PIX



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[scottjj]

If you're so upset and uptight about Nikon's ad, go take a similar one with your non-Nikon camera. Stop whining and put your money where your mouth is.

 

[bina]

Nikon has inserted a seperate add with magazines that I've received lately; PPA's Professional Photographer and Rangefinder.

My first reaction was I thought is was a great image, but why wouldn't my Canon get that shot too? Who knows....

 

[natureman]

You seem to agree with me, but then you condemn me too. I'd tell you to make up your mind but first you'd have to have one.

Happy trails!

What I'm asking is: Do you think that another camera could take a
closely comparable picture (or even better) of that subject in the
same conditions?

...I can not believe you are asking this!!!

They key point here is NOT the camera, but the LENS used, and how
closed it was to the bikes. NIKON may have a point with respect the
COMBO (FF camera + 14-24). The shot was taken at f/4, BTW.

As for ISO6400, as well as the actual tonal scale of the image, there
is sbsolutely NO magic in there!

This Bikon's marketing campaign (brilliantly executed) works because
of folks... like YOU!!!

Love,

PIX



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[natureman]

You really should learn to read. I never said that only non-Nikon cameras could get that shot. Quite the contrary. Most, if not all Nikon DSLR's, film SLR's, and maybe some point and shoots could get that shot too, in the right hands.

Nikon is the one making the outrageous claim. They're the ones saying that no other DSLR on the planet could get that shot. I say prove it.

And when I say that other cameras could get that shot, I don't necessarily mean by exactly the same method. I mean by any reasonable method, including, but not limited to, the same method Nikon used.

I've raced motorcycles but don't photograph them, but I've seen as good or better shots than that many, many times in publications for many years.

Actually, you're the one coming across as a Nikon fanboy.

If you're so upset and uptight about Nikon's ad, go take a similar
one with your non-Nikon camera. Stop whining and put your money
where your mouth is.

 

[Dan Goldman]

Can you paste a link to that ad/pic. I cannot find it by refreshing the pages of DPR.

Dan

 

[natureman]

I'm sorry Dan but I don't know how to do that. I'm not sure it's possible. It just turns up sometimes on the right hand side of a page here at DPR. Plus, it's animated so it changes quickly.

If someone can figure out a way to freeze it and copy it, please do so and post it in this thread.

Can you paste a link to that ad/pic. I cannot find it by refreshing
the pages of DPR.

Dan

 

[natureman]

Just want to tell everyone that I just did a quick search on Google for motorcycle racing pictures and found hundreds and hundreds of pictures, many from several years ago, that are just as good or even better than the one in the Nikon ad, and some were even shot in pouring rain, which means that the light certainly wasn't very good. Somehow those photographers managed to get beautiful, sharp shots without a D3 and ISO 6400. Many of those shots would have been more difficult to get too, because of the position, speed, and travel direction of the motorcycle.

A longer search on Google would turn up many more great motorcycle racing pictures, every bit an equal or superior to the one in the Nikon ad.

By the way, the ones I looked at were of Superbike racing, although I'm sure there are many photos of other types of motorcycle racing that are every bit as difficult to shoot and also every bit as good or better than the one in the Nikon ad.

To me, the Nikon ad for the D3 and their ridiculous claim is an insult to every motorcycle racing photographer. It minimizes the skills of those photographers and the abilities of the equipment they have used for decades.

 

[phila_guy]

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