Olympus RAW & Linux as sole system - possible?

I use linux almost exclusively at home. I use windows & linux at the office. RAW Therapee works great under Linux and Windows. It has many more controls than ACR and that might be it's biggest problem.

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As some people might know already, I will buy an e-410 the instant I
have that kind of money to spare. While only I can do something about
the cost, I have some questions about a secondary problem: my
computer runs Linux.

My main computer is a decently fast Athlon XP which doesn't contain
any trace of Windows. The Linux distro i use is Ubuntu (7.04). I also
have a laptop which runs Windows 2000.

I believe many RAW applications do not work on Windows 2000 - correct
me if I'm wrong. My main question is this: is it possible to process
e-410 RAW files on Linux at all?

The one thing I will not do is pay for Windows - I have a legal copy
that came with the (used) laptop, but won't explicitly pay money to
Microsoft for political reasons. If neither Linux nor Windows 2000
can do this job, I will buy the cheapest Mac available (I don't mind
proprietary software, just monopolies).
Just to add to the chorus, I use Linux for most of my processing, though I do have a legal copy of Windows 2000 running under VMware's vmplayer and I also have a version of Crossover Office (a supported version of Wine) to run random Windows apps. I mostly use GIMP for the interactive processing, and I use hand written perl scripts to manage everything, and the perl scripts use the Perl ImageMagick plugin and the Exiftool software.

I don't do RAW as much, but when I do use it, I have the Ufraw plugin to GIMP, Bibble Pro, and Raw Therapee. I think I needed to build the latest ufraw plugin by hand, since the released version did not have E-510 RAW support, but the development CVS version now supports it. If you don't need a GUI, there is DCRAW which converts many RAW formats (and is used at least as a reference by many of the programs with RAW support).

For Noise handling, I use the Linux version of Noise Ninja or I use Neatimage under Crossover office.

Here are the links of software that runs under Linux (or in the case of Neatimage, runs under Wine):
http://ufraw.sourceforge.net/
http://www.picturecode.com/
http://www.neatimage.com/
http://www.rawtherapee.com/
http://www.cybercom.net/~dcoffin/dcraw/
http://www.bibblelabs.com/
http://www.gimp.org/
http://www.imagemagick.org/script/index.php
http://ted.mielczarek.org/code/mozilla/fxif/
http://hugin.sourceforge.net/
http://www.mpi-inf.mpg.de/resources/pfstools/
http://www.mpi-inf.mpg.de/resources/hdr/calibration/pfs.html
http://www.mpi-inf.mpg.de/resources/tmo/
http://www.rawstudio.org/
 
He he. I'm glad to know I'm not the only "rara avis" who owns an E-410 and uses a Linux system.

I'm tryng to manage with ".orf" archives on Linux too and here are some ideas that may be useful for you:

1.- Bibble Pro is a (comercial!) Raw developer that supports E-410 and has a Linux version. It is very complete and easy. http://www.bibblelabs.com

2.- Ufraw is maybe the best free Raw developer. Last version supports E-410. It can run as an standalone program or as a Gimp/Cinepaint plug-in. http://ufraw.sourceforge.net - http://www.gimp.org - http://www.cinepaint.org -

3.- Last digikam version (a free KDE program to view, catalog, process photos) supports E-410 too if you install the last "libkcdraw" and "dcraw" libraries too. http://www.digikam.org - http://cybercom.net/~dcoffin/dcraw

4.- Some other Raw developers and photo programs I have not used: http://picasa.google.com/linux/ - http://www.rawtherapee.com/ - http://www.rawstudio.org/ (they support Raw but I don't know if they can manage E-410 ".orf" files.

5.- Last bur not least. If you or anyone can read spanish and are interested I could send some web links about digital photography and Linux that I often check to find ideas and solutions.
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The only mention of 16 bits I could find in the Gimp 2.4 release notes ( http://gimp.org/release-notes/gimp-2.4.html ) is

Support for file formats
...
  • 16/32 bit bitmaps and alpha-channel support in BMP;
Im afraid this has to do with the reading and writing of 16 (and 32) bits BMP's. Since the internal framework is based upon 8 bits per channel representation these operations will throw data away (on reading) and zero-pad (on writing).

Zero-padding is a way of placing 8 bits within a 16 bits container without adding information, so precision-wise it is still 8 bits.

I think the plan for the next major release of Gimp (that's 2.6) is to convert its main engine to GEGL which should support a lot of representation (e.g. 32 bit floats).

GEGL: http://www.gegl.org/
GEGL presentation (geeky): http://www.piksel.no/60
 
Hi,

I run a double boot machine with Linux (used 99,99% of the time) and (a minimal) WIn XP , which I use 0,01% (at most) of the time and only for firmware upgrades and such.

RAW files are handled by BibblePro (Linux), noise reduction is done with Neat Image. Neat Image (for windows) is run via Crossover, natively in Linux. From time to time I also use GIMP (Linux) for other photo corrections.

Crossover ( http://www.codeweavers.com ) is a nice WINE based platform, run in Linux, which allows me to run windows software, like Neat Image, Dreamweaver (for web production), Autopane Pro (for panoramic pictures - recommended!) and Dynamic-Photo HDR. This software is not officialy supported by Crossover, but works anyhow :)

Hope this helps.

Ralf
 
No, it is a niche. A monopoly is when you have around 90% of the
market and works to prevent people from entering it.
Well, I am not a lawyer and I don't know the exact definition of
monolpoly, but Mac and Apple is definitely a monopoly to me. The OS
is as closed as it can be, just like the hardware interface.
Actually, it isn’t. It follows the POSIX standard (or it is near enough for most purposes), and application development is based on OpenStep. One can port applications from GNU/Linux, BSD and GNUStep with much less effort and better integration than from MS Windows, which does have a POSIX personality but which is considered a bad joke in this regard.
Have you ever seen a Mac clone?
Had one once.
Who else is making Macs other than Apple?
It doesn’t matter, actually, as the only real differential of a Mac nowadays is Mac OS and the quality.
Yes,
I know, there is Linux as well, but can you actually buy a Mac with
Linux?
Yes, from YellowDog. At least you could a few months ago.
The PC hardware is the best example of open standard.
No, it isn’t. Intel, just like MS, actively disregards open standards to create their own. Witness OpenFirmware versus the BIOS and USB2 vs. FireWire. In both cases, Apple stood by the open standard but ended up caving in to Intel.
There is no connection whatsoever between the PC hardware
and any Microsoft OS
Not true, as MS’s effective monopoly encourages device manufacturers to keep interfaces closed as trade secrets under NDAs.
Microsoft has nothing at all to do with
hardware development, in contrary to Mac / Apple.
Apple hasn’t anymore, it is just a box shifter now just as HP or Dell — only a high-quality one.
Even so, it is not
a problem at all to develop a software which runs well under Windows,
if a person is knowledgable enough. It is done by freeware
programmers and professional ones as well. The Windows is well
documented, the support from Microsoft is excellent.
Not true at all — MS couldn’t produce timely and good quality documentation to its interfaces even under pressure from the EU, and now it charges US$10K for it plus royalties.

It is true only for applications in spaces where MS doesn’t compete. It is a nightmare for anyone who would compete against MS, be it in applications or, specially, in OSs.
Not so easy, unfortunately. The market is still reeling from MS
illegal contracts excluding alternative OSs.
On the contrary, it is very easy. Just go into almost any electronic
/ computer shop, or consult an Internet shop and order the parts to
build by yourself or order a ready made bare PC.
Granted, but this is only part of the market. Even so, it is not so easy to find all components well supported by GNU/Linux. Cases in point are wireless, 3D and TV interfaces.
If you
want a higher end PC with other OS than Windows, both Dell and HP can
be ordered with Linux as an alternative, without having to pay for
Windows license as well. Where can I buy a Mac without a Mac OS?
Useless comparison, since a Mac nowadays is just a (quality) PC with Mac OS loaded.
I don't know how you run your Linux, my Redhat Enterprise runs
without Windows in the background. What do you mean by "compatible
with Mac OS X than with MS Windows"? The Linux I know of is not
compatible with Windows at all. That is one reason to use Linux. If I
want compatibility, I use Windows.
On the contrary — MS Windows is only compatible with itself, plus or less a couple of versions. On the other hand, because of POSIX and even OpenStep, GNU/Linux and Unix are historically and future-proof mutually compatible — and Unix does include Mac OS X.
 
My 0.2 cents ..

For image browsing and quick and dirty raw viewing, simple non destructive image manipulation, I use 'window's' version of picasa under wine.. I do not use the linux version because (it downloads with it's own version of wine anyway, and it didn't support E410 ORF..

For raw conversion I recommend rawtherapee.. It's advantage over other programs like UFraw is that it offers fringe CA correction. Bibble lite is great too.

I find the above two adequate for 99 % of my needs so I seldom even fire up Gimp nowadays.

I'm running Ubuntu Gusty and .. E410 :-)
As some people might know already, I will buy an e-410 the instant I
have that kind of money to spare. While only I can do something about
the cost, I have some questions about a secondary problem: my
computer runs Linux.

My main computer is a decently fast Athlon XP which doesn't contain
any trace of Windows. The Linux distro i use is Ubuntu (7.04). I also
have a laptop which runs Windows 2000.

I believe many RAW applications do not work on Windows 2000 - correct
me if I'm wrong. My main question is this: is it possible to process
e-410 RAW files on Linux at all?

The one thing I will not do is pay for Windows - I have a legal copy
that came with the (used) laptop, but won't explicitly pay money to
Microsoft for political reasons. If neither Linux nor Windows 2000
can do this job, I will buy the cheapest Mac available (I don't mind
proprietary software, just monopolies).

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Actually, Macs run Windows as well.
Well, I used to use a computer called the Amiga which could not only run it own OS, but there were also emulators for Mac, DOS, and Commodore 64 (this was the late 80's).

There were always some incompatibilities especially when accessing the external hardware through ports, so while the Mac can run Windows software, there are no guarantees the Oly software will access the ports properly to update the camera.
 
Well, I used to use a computer called the Amiga which could not only
run it own OS, but there were also emulators for Mac, DOS, and
Commodore 64 (this was the late 80's).
OK, I totally won't argue about anything with you anymore. ; ) Nice to see a fellow ex-Amiga user. I don't know how fanatical you were, but I'd guess you're aware that it was a VERY special platform.

Like someone said, "I thought Mac users were fanatics....until I met some Amiga fans".
: )

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Actually, Macs run Windows as well.
Well, I used to use a computer called the Amiga which could not only
run it own OS, but there were also emulators for Mac, DOS, and
Commodore 64 (this was the late 80's).
Sure, but emulated versions are never really good for anything else that for fun or as a debug environment. Of course, today you can emulate older hardware and software, because today's PC are so much better than the one they are emulating, but emulating real time is never possible, except really slow real time applications. I have actually written a 6502 emulator which worked on 6802 platform back in 1981, but it was slow. Actually, even today, to emulate a fairly slow, but modern Microchip PIC in a fast Core 2 Duo PC results in loss of execution speed compared to the real thing, but yes, emulation is possible in almost any hardware, even if it is a bad solution as on a day to day use.

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Have not used anything but Gentoo Linux for my E-510. My wife is using Suse and an E-500, Using mainly Bibble for raw processing (though have used DVRaw and RawTherapie successfully too).

For the photo management I am using digiKam.

Sometimes I use Gimp for further editing.
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Lightzone, a $250.00 professional RAW developer, is available as a fully featured free Linux version from Lightcrafts. Unfortunately the E-410 is not yet supported.
Herbert
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Olympus E-510, E-330, E-300, Sony H1, Sony S600, Olympus C-2020 (IR)
 
For the most part photo editing works good on Linux although the most popular aps like PS have to be ran through WINE. Although PS 7 works under WINE there are a couple of hickups.

Also Oly Viewer also works under WINE although there are errors when trying to upgrade it to the newest version but it does run 10X faster then on Windows.

Lots of computer hardware is fairly well supported under Linux although if something isn't working out you might have a hard time getting it working if you are a novice and some of it will require using the command line and editing config files

Currently I'm using OpenSuse 10.3 (GNOME) which is a pretty slick looking distro. The Suse GNOME interface is pretty good looking although quite different then windows.

I tried Ubuntu a few times but eh just didn't like it and the desktop looked quite rough compared to OpenSUSE.

I also tired ZenWalk which used Xfce Destop. It was quite nice and super fast compared to windows 2000/OpenSUSE/Ubuntu.
 
Lightzone, a $250.00 professional RAW developer, is available as a
fully featured free Linux version from Lightcrafts. Unfortunately the
E-410 is not yet supported.
Define "fully featured".

Although it is really nice to have a Linux version of LightZone at all, and it is even nicer that is it free of charge, the Linux version is lightyears behind the current commercial version (3.1). And I haven't seen any development on the Linux version for quite some time. Looks like a dead end to me if the manufacturer doesn't decide to offer the commercial product for Linux users.
 

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