Stacked Canon teleconverters and infinity focus

Kjeld Olesen

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Just to initiate those who have not followed this debate, the issue is that in order to stack two Canon teleconverters (extenders) one has to insert a 12 mm extension ring between them due to the protruding front elements. Logically this assembly should not be able to focus at infinity due to the inserted extension tube, but on the other hand especially longer tele photo lenses has the ability to focus "past" infinity. So, the question is whether the inherent ability to focus past infinity is enough to overcome the inserted 12 mm extension. Obviously, you will need a rather long tele lens before this would become a reality.

This issue has been debated regularly, and while I have generally been advocating the point infinity focus could be retained I recently erroneously reported that it was not retained with my 400/2.8 L mkI. The reason for that was that I had assembled my 2x and 1.4x extenders in the wrong order - the 2x extender (at least with this lens) needs to go on the lens while the 1.4x goes on the camera. This makes perhaps some sense since it makes the lens effectively a 800 mm lens before the 12 mm extension is added.

In any case, just last week I went to Jaegerborg Dyrehave to photograph the fallow deer (Dama dama) rutting and decided that this time I'd go far maximum reach and stack both converters onto the 400/2.8 L mkI. This time I did stack the converters in the correct order. The effective aperture becomes f/8.0 and since I was using a D5 I had to use manual focusing. Infinity focus turned out to be JUST retained with this combination. When focused at infinity the focus mark is now on the right end of the laying L rather than at the bend. There is still about 2 mm of turning ability left.

To document this, below is a scaled down picture of the Eremitage Slot taken at distance of about 700 meters (from Det Flade Vandhul)



And here are a few of the best result of the day, all taken with the stacked converters (1120 mm effectively) at ISO800 (5D) and stopped down 1/2 f-stop.





Yes, this was when I wished that I had NOT stacked the extenders :-(





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Kjeld Olesen
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I previously thought the 400 2.8 I doesn't work well with TCs.
Hi Romy

Well, it is all relative I guess. The 400 2.8 mkI works quite well with just the 1.4x wide open IMO, reasonable with the 2x and with the two stacked I'd say that it is not exactly for pixel-peeping, but still more than sufficiently sharp for real life reproductions. Yet, I am sure that any of the other EF 400/2.8's, 500/4.0, 600/4.0 and the upcoming 800/5.6 beats it in sharpness both with and without tele extenders.

I am looking to perhaps replace it with a 500/4.0 in the future, but that is more for weight considerations than anything else.

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Kjeld Olesen
http://www.acapixus.dk
 
Just to initiate those who have not followed this debate, the issue
is that in order to stack two Canon teleconverters (extenders) one
has to insert a 12 mm extension ring between them due to the
protruding front elements.
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Kjeld,

May I point out that if you use a Canon 2x Extender Mk2 you do not need the extension tube as the Mk2 has a recessed rear element which allows for fitting the 1.4x. Also the Mk2 2x has slightly better colour, contrast and sharpness over the Mk1 - although it very slight the differences are there.
Excellent photos.
Paul
 
with the tube you are using i imagine it may be slightly more.
I have cannon extenders and they stack without the use of an extension tube.

Mat
 
May I point out that if you use a Canon 2x Extender Mk2 you do not
need the extension tube as the Mk2 has a recessed rear element which
allows for fitting the 1.4x.
Hi Poul

I did not know this difference between the mkI and mkII extenders - good to know.

The mkI also has a recessed rear element but the diameter of the recessment is smaller than the diameter of the 1.4x mkI protrusion.

By the way - does the 2x mkII also accomodate the 1.4x mkI - it could be the protrusion of the 1.4x mkII that has decreased?

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Kjeld Olesen
http://www.acapixus.dk
 
Kjeld,

The 1.4x Mk1 and Mk2 only differ in the optical coatings, they are physically identical but I don't think that the coatings make that much real world difference (pixel-peepers feel free to disagree, but there is no need to post about it please!); where the 2x Mk2 is a complete redesign - even the shape of the outer barrel is different (waisted as opposed to straight-sided).
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Paul
 

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