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40D + 580EX help
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Ah...I've just answered my own question sorry about it...Its located at flash control, I thought it was like my old DSLR at C.Fn.
Sorry about it, and I also discover the old 580EX is not fully compatable with 40D...guess I'll just hv to live with it, I'm not gonna buy the 580EXII at the moment.
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Sorry about it, and I also discover the old 580EX is not fully compatable with 40D...guess I'll just hv to live with it, I'm not gonna buy the 580EXII at the moment.
Mod can you remove this thread...thanks
jackc00
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not compatible? can you elaborate?
In the flash control section you'll hv a "External flash C.Fn setting" but this seem cannot work with the 580EX and shows this message "This menu cannot be displayed. Incompatible flash or flash's power is turned off" and only work with the 580EXII. Anyway its a small issue I can always use the C.Fn on my flash.
Ok I found the 2nd shutter sync but its in grey color where I cannot control...so how do I get around this with the 580EX? Is canon forcing us to upgrade to the 580EXII?
Ok I found the 2nd shutter sync but its in grey color where I cannot control...so how do I get around this with the 580EX? Is canon forcing us to upgrade to the 580EXII?
I find the same problem with the 580EX (not II). Under "External flash func. setting: the following are grayed out: Flash mode, Shutter sync. and FEB. And under External Flash Cn Setting, I get the same Incompatible flash reading. And this occurs whether or not the flash is powered on before or after the camera is on and before or after the function is called for. Does anyone with the 40D and the 580EX find something different?
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Thomas Theuerkorn
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Canon specifically said that this on-camera menu only works with the 580EX II. Apparently the 580 cannot be controlled that way. (My 580EX II works great.)
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Hi Thomas
I see you own both the 580EX II and the 430EX as well. With of those would you recomend me bying? I am not experienced with flash photography and mainly take pictures of people inside normal sized rooms. On the other hand, with experience i might also find other uses for my flash.
What flash would you recomend me bying?
Rune
I see you own both the 580EX II and the 430EX as well. With of those would you recomend me bying? I am not experienced with flash photography and mainly take pictures of people inside normal sized rooms. On the other hand, with experience i might also find other uses for my flash.
What flash would you recomend me bying?
Rune
I cannot set the 2nd shutter sync, anyone has any idea how do I set the 2nd shutter sync? I shoot a lot in 2nd shutter sync.
paulcroft
Well-known member
Hi Skareb
The three greyed out functions can all be accessed directly from the flash itself. For second curtain sync press the H button (the one between the Mode and Zoom buttons) twice - see P26 of the 580EX manual. I don't know why Canon chose not to incorporate these options into the camera but, until I hear otherwise, I'll be charitable and assume it's because it can't be done rather than that they are just trying to get us to upgrade to the EXII.
HTH
Paul
The three greyed out functions can all be accessed directly from the flash itself. For second curtain sync press the H button (the one between the Mode and Zoom buttons) twice - see P26 of the 580EX manual. I don't know why Canon chose not to incorporate these options into the camera but, until I hear otherwise, I'll be charitable and assume it's because it can't be done rather than that they are just trying to get us to upgrade to the EXII.
HTH
Paul
Rob Kircher
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...its faster to do so while shooting anyway.
Read the flash manual. Everything you want to do is controllable from the flash unit itself. I don’t use the focus assist so you’ll have to look that one up, but I can tell you for certain that FEC, High Speed Sync, and 2nd Curtain are all right there on the back of the flash.
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Read the flash manual. Everything you want to do is controllable from the flash unit itself. I don’t use the focus assist so you’ll have to look that one up, but I can tell you for certain that FEC, High Speed Sync, and 2nd Curtain are all right there on the back of the flash.
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I cannot set it either on my 580 EX (mark I.) !!
There is no way to set the 2nd crt. synch. !!!
It is not available on the flash by design and this option is greyed out on the camera menu together with FEB and ETTL II. (3 top menu points).
Strangly enough, the "2nd curtain sync" menu point is avalable on camera (not greyed out) with my 380EX but the FEB is still not available with the 380 EX either.
It is clearly a design flaw and I hope it is repairable through a firmware update.
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lobela
Rob Kircher
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Unless I'm not understanding what you are talking about it IS available on the flash. Its a button has a H/> > > symbol next to it. Press once for high speed sync and twice for 2nd curtain.
FEC can be set with the dial wheel. There’s a CFn setting that remove the need to press the Set button first. Don't recall that CFn but it's in the manual. I'm certain there a way to turn off the flash itself and use only the AF assist. Note however you may still see a pre-flash from the unit. I don't know for sure because I don't use that particular feature.
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FEC can be set with the dial wheel. There’s a CFn setting that remove the need to press the Set button first. Don't recall that CFn but it's in the manual. I'm certain there a way to turn off the flash itself and use only the AF assist. Note however you may still see a pre-flash from the unit. I don't know for sure because I don't use that particular feature.
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I am so stupid and should have read more before I post.
The second curt.sych. is available by pressing the high synch button twice as mentioned above.
I was searching for it among the custom functions (as it used to be on my 10d in camera) and of course it was not there because it is even simplier than that...
apologies....
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lobela
The second curt.sych. is available by pressing the high synch button twice as mentioned above.
I was searching for it among the custom functions (as it used to be on my 10d in camera) and of course it was not there because it is even simplier than that...
apologies....
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lobela
yess, thanks, i have alread corrected myself...Unless I'm not understanding what you are talking about it IS
available on the flash. Its a button has a H/> > > symbol next to it.
Press once for high speed sync and twice for 2nd curtain.
FEC can be set with the dial wheel. There’s a CFn setting that
remove the need to press the Set button first. Don't recall that CFn
but it's in the manual. I'm certain there a way to turn off the
flash itself and use only the AF assist. Note however you may still
see a pre-flash from the unit. I don't know for sure because I don't
use that particular feature.
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apologies again..
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lobela
Rob Kircher
Senior Member
I just looked at my 580 and I think you can turn the flash off but doing the following. Switch the flash into Master mode. Press the zoom button until the 3 lines just in from of the flash symbol blink. Roll the wheel until you see OFF. Press Set.
I believe that turns off the flash when the shutter opens, however I'm certain you'll see a pre-flash.
Again, read over the manual to verify.
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I believe that turns off the flash when the shutter opens, however I'm certain you'll see a pre-flash.
Again, read over the manual to verify.
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nickleback
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No need for the preflash to fire, there are two ways to do it.
There's a CF on the body to set the camera to use the AF assist on the flash but the not the flash itself.
Or if you'd like to set it on the flash (for instance, because your camera body doesn't support it, like any of the xxxD models), there's no CF that does this directly, but there is one that does it indirectly. Just switch the flash to TTL (instead of E-TTL), I believe it is CF3 on the flash. The xxD and xxxD bodies don't speak TTL, so the flash and preflash won't fire, but the AF assist will still work.
...and think about side-effects
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nickleback
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hmm, looks like that CF on the 40D will only work for the 580 II. Oh well, there's still the TTL hack...
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