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Sometimes I'm completely baffled by Canon. So often people voice what they want and Canon chooses not to hear them. A good example is the whole mirror lockup debacle. How many times have people here (and in other forums) stated that they would like a dedicated mirror lockup button?

Canon continually ignores requests like this. Another item that was complained about for years and has only been corrected in the most recent cameras is loosing images by opening the CF door while the camera is writing. That one was finally fixed but the length of time involved was extreme.

Not to open (yet) another Nikon debate but they seem to add nice features to their cameras through firmware updates. Canon, on the other hand, staunchly refuses to add new features. They save new firmware features for their new cameras. It's as if they're incapable of real innovation and are just duping their customers into buying new cameras to get software updates.

One of the features I've longed for, and asked Canon for directly, is auto-ISO; not the broken auto-ISO of the 40D but the version they implemented for the new 1D series (ISO Safety Shift). Personally, I don't consider auto-ISO to be some elite feature worth $8,000 but Canon seems to think that's what it should be.

I have waited and waited for this to be included on the 5D. This is something (like remapping the print button to perform mirror lockup) that I strongly feel should be included in firmware updates for all current Canon cameras. Of course this won't happen and there are people here that will vehemently defend Canon for that bogus decision even though it ultimately hurts them.

Now I'm waiting for the 5D's replacement and I'm concerned that Canon will give it the intentionally broken auto-ISO of the 40D. Again, this notion of special firmware features for special money.

If there is any reason to move to Nikon it's the notion of more openness; firmware updates with real improvements, a lens mount that is not jealously guarded, etc. The lock-down that Canon has employed in the past just won't cut it anymore, now that they are not the monopoly on full-frame and low noise.

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I will switch immediately.

I too am sick of this Canon nonsense.

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What about their lousy support for Vista x64?

I have a 1DsMkII which was current when Vista was released, and they apparently think it's entirely ok to not bother providing support so that their flagship 35mm DSLR can be used tethered to a Vista x64 machine, nor allow the camera's 'remote settable only' features to be configured.

Not only that, but Microsoft made beta versions of Vista and the development resources to go with it available so far ahead, that it boggles the mind at what dummies Canon must think we must all be.

another example of Canon not taking care of business if you ask me.

The same sort of thing extends to portions of their scanner range. they've sold $$$ of them, but they just don't seem to want to be bothered with taking care of the customers that will look after them with the next round of purchases.

Of course, their line will be 'new OS, new hardware, new $$$'.

Well, that's very short sighted.

they ought to be thinking about whether existing customers will be happy to make another investment in the same sort of treatment they're currently getting, and they'll soon realize they need to do a much better job.

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darkos.
 
darkos said:
What about their lousy support for Vista x64?

I have a 1DsMkII which was current when Vista was released, and they
apparently think it's entirely ok to not bother providing support so
that their flagship 35mm DSLR can be used tethered to a Vista x64
machine, nor allow the camera's 'remote settable only' features to be
configured.

Not only that, but Microsoft made beta versions of Vista and the
development resources to go with it available so far ahead, that it
boggles the mind at what dummies Canon must think we must all be.

another example of Canon not taking care of business if you ask me.

The same sort of thing extends to portions of their scanner range.
they've sold $$$ of them, but they just don't seem to want to be
bothered with taking care of the customers that will look after them
with the next round of purchases.

Of course, their line will be 'new OS, new hardware, new $$$'.

Well, that's very short sighted.

they ought to be thinking about whether existing customers will be
happy to make another investment in the same sort of treatment
they're currently getting, and they'll soon realize they need to do a
much better job.
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I only use open source software, so I'm not affected by the lack of Visa support. However, I understand your frustration with their "treatment" of you. This is exactly what I'm talking about.

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Granted Auto ISO and Safety Shift might be a bit different.

That feature on the 1DIII might not be something you would want to disable once you have used it, particularly in low light conditions...and you can limit the ISO range available.

Also, it is not just an ISO shift nor is it just in the $8000 body.

You don't have to disable it, as that is the default. There are 3 selections, i.e., Disable, Tv/Av and ISO.

Amazing that you would dismiss a feature so quickly without even trying it...and so how do you enjoy your car's floor mounted 3 speed manual transmission?
DigitalWilderness said:
Probably because auto iso would be the first feature many of us would
disable.
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Don't knock it until you've tried it...

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I'm pretty sure Canon has "talked" to many, many photographers about what they want in a camera.
it's called market research.

I'm also sure that the majority of working photographers dont give a rip about a "mirror lockup button"

it is only a minority of vocal "button sorters" on gear centric boards that seem to insist that this is a make or break item.

I think I have wanted a mirror lock up three or four times in the ten or so years I have been using EOS cameras. In fact, the few times I have used it, it became a doofus factor to trip me up and the next set ups. Having it tucked up in the menus keeps it out of my way!
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I think you miss the point: implementing a software fix to optionally remap the Print button to MLU would hurt no one who didn't want it, and help all those who did. Cost would be minimal, and benefit would be great to those who use the function.
 
drh681 said:
I'm pretty sure Canon has "talked" to many, many photographers about
what they want in a camera.
it's called market research.
I'm also sure that the majority of working photographers dont give a
rip about a "mirror lockup button"
it is only a minority of vocal "button sorters" on gear centric
boards that seem to insist that this is a make or break item.
I think I have wanted a mirror lock up three or four times in the ten
or so years I have been using EOS cameras. In fact, the few times I
have used it, it became a doofus factor to trip me up and the next
set ups. Having it tucked up in the menus keeps it out of my way!
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Ah, here it is, the irrational defense of Canon.

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Whoever said 'a picture is worth a thousand words' was a cheapskate.

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Yes, another prophet with the simple answer to everything... except the D300 is not full frame; not to mention that I have a considerable investment in Canon lenses.

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Whoever said 'a picture is worth a thousand words' was a cheapskate.

http://www.pbase.com/dot_borg
 
I'm also sure that the majority of working photographers dont give a rip about a "mirror lockup button"

I sure do and I use it for all tripod shots.
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drh681 said:
I'm also sure that the majority of working photographers dont give a
rip about a "mirror lockup button"
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I'm sure you're correct at least as far as the 1DIII is concerned. It has little value on a sports/action/PJ body...though I like the way it works in the new menu.

The users that decry the "Print" button most are the FF 5D users...and I concur. They have numerous uses for it. They had it before on their FF 35 mms. What may gall them most is that it appears that the print button was put there just for older Japanese men that do not know how to use computers to print. They hardly comprise the majority of worldwide 5D owners. And Canon makes printers, too.

So why not make the button multi-purpose or programmable and please everyone? That's all.
drh681 said:
I think I have wanted a mirror lock up three or four times in the ten
or so years I have been using EOS cameras.
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It appears that you wanted it but because of the menu complexity you would have preferred a simple button.
drh681 said:
In fact, the few times I
have used it, it became a doofus factor to trip me up and the next
set ups.
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See above...
drh681 said:
if I mock you, it may be well deserved.
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There can be a downside to being supercilious!

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dotborg said:
drh681 said:
I'm pretty sure Canon has "talked" to many, many photographers...
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Barugon said:
Ah, here it is, the irrational defense of Canon.

http://www.pbase.com/dot_borg
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what was irrational about my reply?

The fact that I dont find the "lack" of a MLU Button to be a deal breaker?

or that I had the audacity to disdain the purported usefulness of such a minor feature?
I'm not the knee jerker here.

I am however going to mock those that whine and kvetch about dopey things like "missing" mirror lock up buttons.

Especially when there are much more glaring and important omissions such as the "coffee and donuts" button!
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