Doing Panoramas........

I have not found any tool that gave me all the control I wanted. I
have either had problems with blending (I want to pick) or control
of how the program curves the image. The GUI's on top of
Panorama tools seem to do pretty close to what I want which is to
do all the warping and leave things in layers with layer masks, but
I have not figured out if they can let me control the curvature --
does somebody know one that does?
I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "curvature" here. In Panorama Tools if you select rectilinear mapping all straight lines will remain absolutely straight as long as you get a good stitch optimization. The only thing that changes in the images is the shape due to perspective projection, which is completely determined by the yaw, pitch, and roll angles. The end result is exactly like what you would get by shooting the same image with a much wider-field lens having no distortion.

If you use a cylindrical or spherical projection you will of course get curved lines.

I suppose you can always do your own warping of the individual layers in the .psd after stitching if you feel the need to do that. But this would destroy the precision of the stitch.

Brian--J. Brian Caldwellwww.caldwellphotographic.com
 
Doug

You may have gotten the two Karl's confused. karlg is the Karl
that has been answering most of your questions. He's the one
that does his stitching manually in PS.

I'm another Karl (also with last name starting with G) that posted one
message to say I've been happy with Panavue Image Assembler.
I found it on the Panoguide ratings.

BTW: On Fred Miranda's site, I have the karlg id.

Karl Gohl
Hi Karl,

Terrific shots you've posted in this thread.
This discussion has me thinking that I should explore stitching
software beyond MGI's PhotoVista. Roy Boorman also sent me a really
nice panorama done with Photoshop elements. It's good to see
samples of these other programs in action.
My question is, have you ever used Photoshop elements to stitch a
panorama together - if so, what did you think - and also, did you
use Panovue Image Assembler on the long streetscape panorama as
well as the castle shot?
Really nice work.
Doug B
Torontowide.com
 
In theory the resolution you need is a function of viewing distance. At reading distance a sharp eyed critical person can resolve about 300 Pixels per inch (but that is assuming say a black dot on a white field). For a larger print, there is generally the assumption that it will be viewed from further away, at least if you are going to take the whole image in.

A lot of the "rules" you read/see from camera shake to DoF, to print DPI/PPI are based on roughly an 8x10 (or 8x12) size print viewed at reading distance. If you go smaller than 8x10 you still want the 300 or so PPI but any out of focus problems scale down accordingly.

As you get bigger you can in theory get away with fewer PPI. However it is best if you scale/resample the image to at least 250 or so PPI. The detail will not be "better" per say, but you don’t want the viewer to notice the pixilation effects in the event that the viewer gets inside the acceptable viewing distance.

Basically what you are doing is providing extra pixels so that that human eye will not know there is something wrong. You will not be adding detail, but you will keep the eye from noticing a problem unless it is something like Text in which you know what the shape should be.

The bottom line is that up-sampling will make the print look better. Another issue confusing things is that the Printer Driver has its own set of conversions it does. It may do its own up-sampling. Thus it may be OK to send one printer 150DPI and it will look ok where a different printer driver may look blocky.

The main goal of a good scaling approach is to keep edges from smearing/blurring, but this can come at a LOSS in detail. Genuine Fractals is the most widely talked about and it does a good job of keeping edges and people like the look overall, but it definitely looses some fine details. Some people do not like the GF effects, particularly on people and smooth curves, but overall it seems to be the preferred scaling package.

I think most people agree that the results you are quibbling if the scaling amount is less than 2X. Above 4X GF is generally preferred (although I don’t have much I have ever blown up that much. In the 2X to 3X range I use Panorama Tools Spline36.

Most of my panoramas are printed at 12 by N inches since I have an Epson 1270 Printer with roll paper. If I shoot with a D30 in “Portrait Mode” then I am going to get 2160 Pixels from the camera in height. After Warping and cropping there will be less than 2000 or so “real pixels” (what counts as “real pixels” after warping, which is a scaling operation?) or on the order of 150PPI and 160PPI over 12 inches. That is more or less on the line for doing pretty good job of scaling by several methods. One could even argue that a 12 by 36 print would probably be OK at 150PPI without scaling in most viewing situations, but Scaling is free so why not.

Karl
Thanks

Guess I'll just have to try some out and find out which one works
best for me.

Have you made any wide format prints of your panos? If yes how did
they come out? Did you need to upsample them or was the resolution
density good enough because of multiple shots? Sorry for so many
questions but large pano prints are one of the things I really want
to achieve.

DJM
--Karl
 
Thanks a lot, I also notice Stephen on this forum posting great results with step upsampling for wide format prints. Can't wait to try all of these methods.

DJM
A lot of the "rules" you read/see from camera shake to DoF, to
print DPI/PPI are based on roughly an 8x10 (or 8x12) size print
viewed at reading distance. If you go smaller than 8x10 you still
want the 300 or so PPI but any out of focus problems scale down
accordingly.

As you get bigger you can in theory get away with fewer PPI.
However it is best if you scale/resample the image to at least 250
or so PPI. The detail will not be "better" per say, but you don’t
want the viewer to notice the pixilation effects in the event that
the viewer gets inside the acceptable viewing distance.

Basically what you are doing is providing extra pixels so that that
human eye will not know there is something wrong. You will not be
adding detail, but you will keep the eye from noticing a problem
unless it is something like Text in which you know what the shape
should be.

The bottom line is that up-sampling will make the print look
better. Another issue confusing things is that the Printer Driver
has its own set of conversions it does. It may do its own
up-sampling. Thus it may be OK to send one printer 150DPI and it
will look ok where a different printer driver may look blocky.

The main goal of a good scaling approach is to keep edges from
smearing/blurring, but this can come at a LOSS in detail. Genuine
Fractals is the most widely talked about and it does a good job of
keeping edges and people like the look overall, but it definitely
looses some fine details. Some people do not like the GF effects,
particularly on people and smooth curves, but overall it seems to
be the preferred scaling package.

I think most people agree that the results you are quibbling if the
scaling amount is less than 2X. Above 4X GF is generally preferred
(although I don’t have much I have ever blown up that much. In
the 2X to 3X range I use Panorama Tools Spline36.

Most of my panoramas are printed at 12 by N inches since I have an
Epson 1270 Printer with roll paper. If I shoot with a D30 in
“Portrait Mode” then I am going to get 2160 Pixels from the camera
in height. After Warping and cropping there will be less than 2000

or so “real pixels” (what counts as “real pixels” after warping,
which is a scaling operation?) or on the order of 150PPI and 160PPI
over 12 inches. That is more or less on the line for doing pretty
good job of scaling by several methods. One could even argue that
a 12 by 36 print would probably be OK at 150PPI without scaling in
most viewing situations, but Scaling is free so why not.

Karl
Thanks

Guess I'll just have to try some out and find out which one works
best for me.

Have you made any wide format prints of your panos? If yes how did
they come out? Did you need to upsample them or was the resolution
density good enough because of multiple shots? Sorry for so many
questions but large pano prints are one of the things I really want
to achieve.

DJM
--
Karl
 
Some great info and tips and software reviews and...

Steven
I own a Canon 1D and am wanting to do some multi-frame panoramics
and stitching but I am not sure what I am doing. It appears that I
have to have aPANORAMIC head to do it right? Am I correct in this
assesment? I took some images last night and attempted to stitch
them together and I got mixed results. My lines were not straight
and I could not seem to get it right. If indeed I do need a pano
head....WHO's????? I've looked on the web at Kaidan, manfrotto and
Peace river studios...... What do most of you use and why??? I
also need to know if I want to do multi row panos.... I am limited
to the Kaidan??? Do most of you only do single row panos??? It is
a considerable price increase in the myulti row arena....

Any advice will be GREATLY appreciated
--
Hector Gomez, LC
 
I own a Canon 1D and am wanting to do some multi-frame panoramics
and stitching but I am not sure what I am doing. It appears that I
have to have aPANORAMIC head to do it right? Am I correct in this
assesment? I took some images last night and attempted to stitch
them together and I got mixed results. My lines were not straight
and I could not seem to get it right. If indeed I do need a pano
head....WHO's????? I've looked on the web at Kaidan, manfrotto and
Peace river studios...... What do most of you use and why??? I
also need to know if I want to do multi row panos.... I am limited
to the Kaidan??? Do most of you only do single row panos??? It is
a considerable price increase in the myulti row arena....
I put some notes on my home-made pano head at http://www.geocities.com/bill0drew/panohead/index.htm Far from perfect, but also far from $500.
 

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