Bought A Nikon D80 With 18-200 Lens To Replace R1

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To begin with, I'm not a die hard amatuer or semi-pro photographer and never will be. I've always wanted a high quality camera but wanted no part of lugging a camera bag with 15Lbs of lenses around. So, Sony always seemed to have the answer. I bought the F717, then the F818, and finally a year ago I bought an R1. I still have all three. Anyway, the R1 seemed like the ultimate fixed lens camera. Plenty wide for indoor shots but enough tele for most of my needs. And with 10MP resolution, you can always trade some resolution for a little more zoom in photoshop.

Anyway, I was really happy with the R1 until it comes to getting shots of my kids playing soccer, basketball, etc. The 3 shot buffer became a hindrance. Enter the promise of an SLR with unlimited buffer capacity. Well, I went out and bought a Nikon D80 with the Nikkor 18-200 lens figuring I'd have a one lens SLR solution. Best of both worlds. Only one lens to tote around but all the speed and buffer depth of an SLR.

Well, so far I'm not sold on the whole SLR concept. All the reviews say that an SLR will focus much faster than the R1. Not really. I've used both in well lit and low light situations and I don't find the R1 noticeably slower. As for the limited buffer, hmmm yes but......the D80 is slower, much slower. Maybe it's the mechanical shutter but I'm disappointed. The R1 can capture 3 shots while the D80 is getting the first image. Of course, then you're done for 6-8 seconds while the D80 will click on, albeit slowly.

I don't see much difference in the images either.

Here's my impression after a week.

R1 Pros
Great lens with a useful range
Better build quality than the Nikon, switches, etc just feel better
Very good ergonomics, comfortable to hold
Live preview
Pivoting viewfinder allows shooting from angles SLR can't match
No noisy, jarring shutter & mirror
Cost, I bought mine for $900 last July
A bit smaller and lighter than the D80

R1 Cons
Limited Buffer, 3 shots
Internal viewfinder just can't match optical system of SLR

D80 Pros
Nikkor 18-200 lens as good as the R1 with more range and VR
Unlimited buffer
Great optical viewfinder makes focusing much easier
Great control layout and menus
Great in-camera processing like D-lighting
Snob factor

D80 Cons
Bigger & heavier
Slower shot to shot time in continuous shooting
Can only use it while held up to your eye. No more waist/overhead shots
Twice the cost (with lens) of an R1
Switchgear,clickwheels and knobs don't feel as nice as the R1

For twice the money, I'm sort of disappointed I bought into the SLR hype. The D80 is very nice but it doesn't significantly help continuous shooting or deliver noticeably better images. The one thing I really love so far is the optical viewfinder.

Anyway, my intention was to sell the F717, F818, and the R1 after making the upgrade. Now I'm thinking I need to hold onto the R1.

Has anyone else made the move to an SLR? Did you hang onto your R1? Why? Why not?
 
Very thoughtful and helpful. I have been tempted by your dSLR and lens combo, but thank you for the dose of reality.
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Oh yeah, I'll definitely stick with it for a while before passing final judgement. I'm certain that I've got a lot to learn so maybe my expectations were a little unrealistic. I was expecting to be blown away by a DSLR but so far it's just different.
 
Both the R1 and D80 are listed as 3fps in continuous shooting and according to my Nikon friends they wrote the book on AF speed and responsiveness.

If you can't see that the D80 has faster AF, I'd wonder if your AF settings are correct for capturing action shots and if getting up the learning curve a bit might help. Also the shutter lag and continuous shooting on the D80 should be noticeably better. Again, I wonder if you should give yourself a bit more time to learn how to get the most out of your D80. Just my guess.

Also, if you can't get the D80 to perform in the scenario you bought it for in the first place, I'd sell it and keep the R1.

BTW, have you asked this question on the Nikon forum?

DD
 
I'm sure a little experience will help. I was just giving my initial impressions after expecting a gloriously better experience from reading all the reviews of DSLRS. Still, I don't think I'll be selling the R1 any time soon.

Or.....perhaps the perfect camera/lens is still out there in the future somewhere.
 
For twice the money, I'm sort of disappointed I bought into the SLR
hype. The D80 is very nice but it doesn't significantly help
continuous shooting or deliver noticeably better images. The one
thing I really love so far is the optical viewfinder.
Sounds like there are a lot of Technique/Settings issues. Maybe the Nikon SLR forum could help. The D80 should perform much better than you've described. I've shot the D70 quite a bit, and it's Very responsive.

You might also want to rethink your lens choice. That range is really pushing it. Other setups will run rings around the 18-200 for sports.
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Do you have the D80's in camera NR setting on? If so, that will slow down burst mode shooting. Also, the D80 makes the most of higher speed SD cards. Using 150x cards (transcend 150x/sandisk extreme III) will allow the D80's internal buffer to clear almost twice as fast as an 80x card. However, that will only really come into play if you plan on bursting more than 5 shots.

I've never used an R1 outside of a camera store so I can't compare its speed to the D80, but I find the D80 to be very quick (especially compared to the S3 and the H2). Maybe that's why the R1 has become such a legend.
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I love the output of my R1, its a great silent shooter, and can be fairly quick in outdoor lighting.

The D80 blows it out of the water in shutter lag, shot to shot, and trounces it in low light focus.

The D80 AF is based on a much quicker technology.

Again, I am not knocking the R1, its a great cam. But if you think the D80 isnt really faster, you have much to learn.

Turn off in camera noise reduction on the D80, it doesnt need it anyway, it will speed it up. Also, pick up a 50 1.8 for less than 100$, nice to have fast glass to shoot in lowlight with no flash.

Keep shooting, it wont take long to get the hang of it, a dslr is a fifferent beast, but its definitly worth the investment.

And keep the R1 its a great lens, I mean camera.
 
You have to turn off long exposure NR in the Shooting Menu to get the 3fps with a D80.
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Comments/critique negative or positive are welcome, as I can learn from them all and THAT is the point.
 
For twice the money, I'm sort of disappointed I bought into the SLR
hype. The D80 is very nice but it doesn't significantly help
continuous shooting or deliver noticeably better images. The one
thing I really love so far is the optical viewfinder.
Mastering a DSLR takes time and it has quite a long learning curve. Moreover, a DSLR usually needs much more PP in order to get the best quality out of it.

If you are ready to invest in these, you will not regret it and you will soon discover that the advantage of the DSLR is far beyond just looking through an optical viewfinder.

Cheers
SB
 
How do you find the D80 matrix metering ??

I didnt like it at all personally, and found that it overexposed in an unpredictable manner...I now use a Sony A100 which I prefer
Sell your R1 ???....are you sure!!!!!

There is no way I am parting with my R1...ever....that lens really is worth a fortune in SLR terms, just my opinion, the D80 is nice, but if you keep your R1 as well, they will compliment each other

When I go on my hikes, the R1 is a far far far more suitable camera than a DSLR for landscape stuff....just my opinion
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you can say you have a dslr. Even if it does get left home most
of the time and people will think you know more because you have a
"professional camera" : )
LG
Was that really necessary?
Lighten up. See the smile. It was tongue in cheek. meant to make the person smile. I could care less what kind of camera people carry. I've seen people get fabulous results from p&s's and bad results from DLSRs. The point is that the camera doesn't make the photographer.
LG
 
Try turning noise reduction off in the D80 and see if that increases the buffer write speed.
jk
 
i can knock out 10 frames in RAW with no noticeable lag on my D80 with extreme III 2 gb sd cards, and the AF performance is awesome, maybe you should ask for some pointers on the Nikon forums
 
Yes I agree, the D80 is in a totally different league to the R1 in terms of shooting performance and focus speed... you must be missing a trick somewhere
i can knock out 10 frames in RAW with no noticeable lag on my D80
with extreme III 2 gb sd cards, and the AF performance is awesome,
maybe you should ask for some pointers on the Nikon forums
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