lost highlights in RAW (img)

Thanks everybody for the responses and kind words. I will try to adjust some settings as well as try fill flash next time. I may try using a diffuser (thin white bed sheet).

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You might want to try the LR beta and use the Recover slider (if you don't have LR) already.

That, and a dodge & burn layer in CS3 might take out the highlight at least enough so less attention will be drawn to it.

Another thing I have done on these type of shots (when you only have one chance at it) ... is, after the Recover slider and adjustments in LR ... I bring it over to CS3 and do a Clone.

Or if I have another shot taken at the same time different angle or exposure (which most of the time I have) ... I now use a very useful new feature in PS CS3 ...
  • Auto Align ... the two shots
  • Then paint back part of the hair that is not blown.
Here is a video of the feature and how to use it ...

fyi: a free trail of CS3 can also be downloaded .. so you can try it out on your shot.

This feature and the new Quick Select tool alone ... has made the Upgrade well worth it for me and what I do ... and has paid for itself already.

geez, I have had to purchase $200.00 programs to Knock Out stuff that did not do as quick of a job as the Quick Select tool.
Hope this helps
HG
http://www.photoshopuser.com/?page=cs3/videos&video=autoalign_cb

Quick Select tool
http://www.photoshopuser.com/?page=cs3/videos&video=quickselections_dc

HG
Well I totally got the exposure wrong and I can't even salvage it
in RAW. I seemed to have blown the highlights too much. I
purposely moved my niece near the window to get some nice light. I
used matrix metering...should I have spot metered off of the the
bright light on her head? It's a shame because I only see her every
month or so and each time she's getting bigger.

In the second shot, my sister said this was my niece's first time
on grass. It was quite amazing watching her feel the grass with her
feet. She was almost rubbing it like she was a bull ready to
stampede.





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Please feel free to criticize, make suggestions, and edit any of my photos & re-post, to help show me 'the way'. * I am trying to Elevate the Level of my 'Snap Shots' :)

 
I wouldnt worry about the 'blown highlights' - there's so much more to these pictures that make them just beautiful.

Cheers

Geoff
 
I urge you to download the free 30 trial of Adobe Lightroom. When in Develop mode hover your pointer over the small square in the upper right corner of the histogram and any overexposed areas will show up as red splotches. Adjust the exposure downward till they disappear. Then, adjust the Recovery slider to recover detail in the highlights.
This should solve your problem nicely.
Richard
 
You should have tried center weighted... :-)

But the pics are quite okay. Kids are at their cutest at that age.

BTW, do try RAW Therapee. While it's not as powerful as Photoshop or Lightroom, it's quite better than Master. It's also free.

http://www.rawtherapee.com/
 
. . .sorry to say it, because I know what cash sinkhole this business can be, but Oly master is the worst for this.

I can promise you that you will get more out of your RAW from any other converter. Less nopise, more DR, more resolution, faster operation.

I love ACR myself and CS2 . . they go hand in hand.

But Master will not pull back highs with the efficiency of other RAW converters.

Also of note. . .in camera contrast saturation etc, adjustment don't do anything unless you are shooting JPEGs. But I think Oly Master honors the changes unlike other converters.

Nevertheless, saving those highs would involve spot metering off the brightest part, to about +1EV then bringing it back in PP. Then making an adjustment layer or something to bring up the shadows-- you would need CS2 or somethign like that to get this done. The other option would be simply metering the same way and manually filling the face in, or repositioning the child so more of the light covers his/her face. If you email the .RAW file I will try to fix it for you in a jiffy-- just so you can hang on to that memory. I could have it done in a half hour or so.

Best of luck ECS. :-)

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'Nothing, like something, happens anywhere.”
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Philip Larkin (1922-1985).
 
How does Studio stack up against Master? is it the same RAW processor?
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. . it is slightly better but not good enough. It is still dog slow. The FCS utlity is cool, but it is simply less sophisticated than most other RAW processors. Also of note, it still produces more noise than the others.

I love ACR myself. I tried silkypix and capture one. . . not bad but kinda clunky with my workflow.

YMMV of course, and others might feel differently than I do so take nothing as gospel and see what works for you. I am a dedicated Adobe guy for now.

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Zach Bellino

'Nothing, like something, happens anywhere.”
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Philip Larkin (1922-1985)
 
Both images are great, as is. There are some images that defy the "rules" and still capture the quality of the moment.

In your OP, you questioned your metering method and indicated that you'd used ESP (Matrix) metering. I've mentioned in previous posts that I never use that feature but have, not literally, glued my cameras to spot metering. I always expose for the highlights and, as I shoot raw only, am able to bring out detail in the shadows, noisy or not.

As to raw developers, I have entirely too many. As I purchased RSP in October '05, I now, also have Lightroom v1.0. I also have Master 2.0 and the trial of Studio 2.01 plus RawTherapee and a few others with very limited capabilities. I've tried Bibble, Silkypix, and others but always go back to RSP. Highlight recovery is OK but, in this case, as has been pointed out above, Lightroom has it beat. Master and Studio are deadly slow and, IMO, not as usable.

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Bill Turner

 
I love ACR myself and CS2 . . they go hand in hand.
I thought so also, till I tried Lightroom and Capture. ACR is fast, but by far not the best. Lightroom also works with PS quite well (hand in hand) but renders much better than ACR. It also has more controls (lets you do more) and integrates browsing capabilities quite nicely. Once edited you can finish the image in PS (from lightroom) without any x-tra steps, same as from ACR.

But I used to use and like ACR in the past.

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From this week;
 
Well I totally got the exposure wrong and I can't even salvage it
in RAW. I seemed to have blown the highlights too much. I
purposely moved my niece near the window to get some nice light. I
used matrix metering...should I have spot metered off of the the
bright light on her head? It's a shame because I only see her every
month or so and each time she's getting bigger.

In the second shot, my sister said this was my niece's first time
on grass. It was quite amazing watching her feel the grass with her
feet. She was almost rubbing it like she was a bull ready to
stampede.
We can see that the baby is near the window. Using fill flash you'll loose this option and you'll not have thgis great pic. "Problems" like blown highlights or dark shadow, even the high noise are part of the photography and make it better (or art). Think that video editors trying to simulate the problems of lenses to give more realistic results
 
. .sort of like Bridge and ACR put into one? I was reading about it in a magazine, and it looks cool. But it would really have to knock my socks off for $300. I think a program that does what ACR does and more would be nice though.

I should have tired the beta version when it was out.

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Zach Bellino

'Nothing, like something, happens anywhere.”
-- from 'I Remember, I Remember'
Philip Larkin (1922-1985)
 
. . . then what happens if I get to like it? 8-(

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Comments are always welcome.

Zach Bellino

'Nothing, like something, happens anywhere.”
-- from 'I Remember, I Remember'
Philip Larkin (1922-1985)
 
. .sort of like Bridge and ACR put into one? I was reading about it
in a magazine, and it looks cool. But it would really have to knock
my socks off for $300. I think a program that does what ACR does
and more would be nice though.

I should have tired the beta version when it was out.
No, not really. Not even like PE, but very nice in its own way. What I did not like in ACR CS2 was the color rendition. It was sort of flat and dead - just like from Olympus (haha, ok kidding). Of course, you can always bring it up when you know what you want, but looking back it seems it never looked right. Or maybe it is just me - I am never satisfied ;) The CS3 is much better, very fast, slick, and joy to use. I do not know what they put for ACR in there, but this whole thing (with bridge) does look and feel very different, and colors are just superb.

Another program I heard few people in Nikon forum were raving about is DxO Optics Pro. I think they have full version for 30 days Download. I hear it also renders and corrects colors very well right from the RAW, but I never tried it.

http://www.dxo.com

For NEF (Nikon format) I really like Capture NX. The problem is that it works only with Nikon format (and TIFF), and it creates huge files when exporting. But their U-Point technology is really cool - and it works. Check out the second tutorial as an example;

http://nikonimaging.com/global/products/software/capturenx/nxsp/tutorials.htm

Some people say it is the best program for NEF files, but I think there are pluses and minuses everywhere.

I would not be spending money on Lightroom, but I would definitely go for PS - it covers everything. If you are student you should be able to get good discounts in the University book store. I remember in Cal State we used to get all kinds of discounts. Something like 10-30 bucks for the whole MS Office to copy from the store. The deal was that we had to return the disks. I guess MS also knew what they wanted.

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I guess I start messing with some of these other converters first. Of course I'll start with the free ones.

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No, not really. Not even like PE, but very nice in its own way.
What I did not like in ACR CS2 was the color rendition. It was sort
of flat and dead - just like from Olympus (haha, ok kidding).
Part of what makes digital SLR photography is great is that the colors are configurable for each shot on the fly, whereas with film you have to choose by the roll. So if you start with Portra you have to finish it out, even if a killer landscape pops into view that would call for another film. I wouldn't trade that ability for the world. This is why I love the calibrate feature in ACR 3.6 at the end of the tabs list. It allows you to adjust hue and saturation and shadow tint for each color and then save the profile. It makes color management for most files easier because I can save a good starting point.
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course, you can always bring it up when you know what you want, but
looking back it seems it never looked right.
Yeah, I think the default ACR 3.6 palate from the previous generations (including 3.5 but not 3.3 which was slightly richer IMO) seems to go for that National Geographic subdued look. It is a good starting point I guess but I am so deep in it that I have all sorts of custom profiles (one for portrait, one for color landscapes with greens and blues, one I am working on for sunsets, all with custom curves etc) which means unless I want to lose that work I have to upgrade to 4.0. I have kind of locked myself in, in that way. It isn't so bad because Adobe does make quality stuff.
Or maybe it is just me
  • I am never satisfied ;) The CS3 is much better, very fast, slick,
and joy to use. I do not know what they put for ACR in there, but
this whole thing (with bridge) does look and feel very different,
and colors are just superb.
I wonder what ACR 4.0 does different then if the colors look better. I know one ACR 4.0 feature that I want is something I read about . . the ability to boost saturation without affecting luminosity so you can crank the saturation up without clipping the channel this should be good as far as features go. Or perhaps that was a lightroom feature. I should recheck that. . . because it is a selling point for me.
Another program I heard few people in Nikon forum were raving about
is DxO Optics Pro. I think they have full version for 30 days
Download. I hear it also renders and corrects colors very well
right from the RAW, but I never tried it.
DxO is famous for having a very comprehensive lens correction suite. Their programs for correcting distortion are supposed to be top notch. I hear. However, Klaus Schroiff said that DxO is very poor at extracting resolution so it would be a big hit from ACR.
For NEF (Nikon format) I really like Capture NX. The problem is
that it works only with Nikon format (and TIFF), and it creates
huge files when exporting. But their U-Point technology is really
cool - and it works. Check out the second tutorial as an example;

http://nikonimaging.com/global/products/software/capturenx/nxsp/tutorials.htm

Some people say it is the best program for NEF files, but I think
there are pluses and minuses everywhere.
Yeah, I just read an article by a Nikon shooter that actually takes you through the Capture NX workflow from beginning to end. While it may not be as tightly wrapped adn marketed as the Adobe offerings, I think the Canon, Olympus, and the others could learn a thing or two from them and outsource their upper level software for development. It really adds value when you think about it to include a competent RAW converter on the shelves even if you have to pay for the upgrade it is CO is still way better than BB or OS, IMO.
I would not be spending money on Lightroom, but I would definitely
go for PS - it covers everything. If you are student you should be
able to get good discounts in the University book store. I remember
in Cal State we used to get all kinds of discounts. Something like
10-30 bucks for the whole MS Office to copy from the store. The
deal was that we had to return the disks. I guess MS also knew what
they wanted.
That is a good idea. I just found a version of lightroom for $99 so I wonder what the upgrade to CS3 would be. Also, some of the lightroom features (it is really geared toward batching and archiving which are two things I try to avoid) are really for very heavy shooters like wedding professionals and photojournalists. If I could get a CS3 upgrade for around that price I would be there, especially since you say the colors look better.

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Zach Bellino

'Nothing, like something, happens anywhere.”
-- from 'I Remember, I Remember'
Philip Larkin (1922-1985)
 

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