MACH 1 Speedcharger??

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Anyone know anything about this new rapid charger that will re-charge all sorts of proprietary Lithium Ion batts. including Canon BP-511/512, as well as Sony InfoLithium, etc.? In under 30 minutes???

http://www.thomas-distributing.com/lm-msc1.htm

It's $88 for a temp.-controlled AC or DC powered FAST charger with adaptors for scads of popular batteries (I have the Canons and Sonys).

Beats the %#@! out of Canon's proprietary charger price!
 
How about $69.95?

http://www.batterybarn.com/mach1.htm
Anyone know anything about this new rapid charger that will
re-charge all sorts of proprietary Lithium Ion batts. including
Canon BP-511/512, as well as Sony InfoLithium, etc.? In under 30
minutes???

http://www.thomas-distributing.com/lm-msc1.htm

It's $88 for a temp.-controlled AC or DC powered FAST charger with
adaptors for scads of popular batteries (I have the Canons and
Sonys).

Beats the %#@! out of Canon's proprietary charger price!
 
Well, damn, I ordered the Canon charger a couple days ago for $120.00, the best price I could find. Had I known about this charger I'd be in hog heaven.

VR
http://www.batterybarn.com/mach1.htm
Anyone know anything about this new rapid charger that will
re-charge all sorts of proprietary Lithium Ion batts. including
Canon BP-511/512, as well as Sony InfoLithium, etc.? In under 30
minutes???

http://www.thomas-distributing.com/lm-msc1.htm

It's $88 for a temp.-controlled AC or DC powered FAST charger with
adaptors for scads of popular batteries (I have the Canons and
Sonys).

Beats the %#@! out of Canon's proprietary charger price!
 
I hope that price included a battery too?
VR
http://www.batterybarn.com/mach1.htm
Anyone know anything about this new rapid charger that will
re-charge all sorts of proprietary Lithium Ion batts. including
Canon BP-511/512, as well as Sony InfoLithium, etc.? In under 30
minutes???

http://www.thomas-distributing.com/lm-msc1.htm

It's $88 for a temp.-controlled AC or DC powered FAST charger with
adaptors for scads of popular batteries (I have the Canons and
Sonys).

Beats the %#@! out of Canon's proprietary charger price!
 
Thanks! - I searched again and found wealth of info. - must have botched the 1st search!
http://www.batterybarn.com/mach1.htm
Anyone know anything about this new rapid charger that will
re-charge all sorts of proprietary Lithium Ion batts. including
Canon BP-511/512, as well as Sony InfoLithium, etc.? In under 30
minutes???

http://www.thomas-distributing.com/lm-msc1.htm

It's $88 for a temp.-controlled AC or DC powered FAST charger with
adaptors for scads of popular batteries (I have the Canons and
Sonys).

Beats the %#@! out of Canon's proprietary charger price!
 
I have this charger and works great. I purchased the charger from:

http://www.gotbatteries.com/Productpage.asp?ProductNum=MSC1

They shipped right away for $59.95 plus shipping. Shipping is very reasonable.

Also in previous posts Steve's has a review:

http://www.steves-digicams.com/2001_reviews/mach1.html

George
VR
http://www.batterybarn.com/mach1.htm
Anyone know anything about this new rapid charger that will
re-charge all sorts of proprietary Lithium Ion batts. including
Canon BP-511/512, as well as Sony InfoLithium, etc.? In under 30
minutes???

http://www.thomas-distributing.com/lm-msc1.htm

It's $88 for a temp.-controlled AC or DC powered FAST charger with
adaptors for scads of popular batteries (I have the Canons and
Sonys).

Beats the %#@! out of Canon's proprietary charger price!
 
I tried 2 samples of the Mach 1 Li ion speed chargers and I found that niether of them charges the Canon 511 batteries fully and consequentlly doesn't last as long as when charged in the G2. The "fully charged voltage" when charged by the Mach 1 (after 30mins, according to specs and indicator lights) is lower than that when charged by the G2 itself. As a result I now usually finalize the Mach 1 charge using the G2. This takes another 2 hours or so in the G2. A pity.

I don't know if I got two sub-performing charger or not. Battery Barn provides excellent service but I may try to contact Lenmar directly to ask about this. Another problem is that the cigarette lighter adapter tip has some ridges on it which caused it to get stuck in my cigarette lighter recepticle in my 4Runner. The adapter plug came apart and the tip is still in my car!

Any one else having this problem??
Anyone know anything about this new rapid charger that will
re-charge all sorts of proprietary Lithium Ion batts. including
Canon BP-511/512, as well as Sony InfoLithium, etc.? In under 30
minutes???

http://www.thomas-distributing.com/lm-msc1.htm

It's $88 for a temp.-controlled AC or DC powered FAST charger with
adaptors for scads of popular batteries (I have the Canons and
Sonys).

Beats the %#@! out of Canon's proprietary charger price!
--MSChecan
 
Quoted from the book 'Batteries in a portable world' by Mr. Isidor Buchmann is the president, founder and CEO of Cadex Electronics Inc.

http://www.buchmann.ca/Chap4-page8.asp

The charge time of all Li-ion batteries, when charged at a 1C initial current, is about 3 hours. The battery remains cool during charge. Full charge is attained after the voltage has reached the upper voltage threshold and the current has dropped and leveled off at about 3 percent of the nominal charge current.

Increasing the charge current on a Li-ion charger does not shorten the charge time by much. Although the voltage peak is reached quicker with higher current, the topping charge will take longer. Figure 4-5 shows the voltage and current signature of a charger as the Li-ion cell passes through stage one and two.

Some chargers claim to fast-charge a Li-ion battery in one hour or less. Such a charger eliminates stage 2 and goes directly to ‘ready’ once the voltage threshold is reached at the end of stage 1. The charge level at this point is about 70 percent. The topping charge typically takes twice as long as the initial charge.
I tried 2 samples of the Mach 1 Li ion speed chargers and I found
that niether of them charges the Canon 511 batteries fully and
consequentlly doesn't last as long as when charged in the G2. The
"fully charged voltage" when charged by the Mach 1 (after 30mins,
according to specs and indicator lights) is lower than that when
charged by the G2 itself. As a result I now usually finalize the
Mach 1 charge using the G2. This takes another 2 hours or so in the
G2. A pity.


I don't know if I got two sub-performing charger or not. Battery
Barn provides excellent service but I may try to contact Lenmar
directly to ask about this. Another problem is that the cigarette
lighter adapter tip has some ridges on it which caused it to get
stuck in my cigarette lighter recepticle in my 4Runner. The adapter
plug came apart and the tip is still in my car!

Any one else having this problem??
--a l b e r t
 
I have one. It works great. Charges my BP-511 for my G2 in about 35 minutes from stone dead.

I bought mine from A&A Discount Video Sales for $59.90. Shipping was $5 for priority mail. Shipped the day I ordered it (Wednesday)and arrived in Connecticut (from Montana) on Friday. Fast, professional and courteous service.
Here is their website:

http://www.shabria.com/battery/MSC-1.htm

-Kevin

By the way, there is a good review of this charger here:

http://www.steves-digicams.com/2001_reviews/mach1.html
 
Does anybody know where to get this charger over here in Europe without ordering it on-line. I haven't found a homepage or companyname for Mach 1.

Piet
Anyone know anything about this new rapid charger that will
re-charge all sorts of proprietary Lithium Ion batts. including
Canon BP-511/512, as well as Sony InfoLithium, etc.? In under 30
minutes???

http://www.thomas-distributing.com/lm-msc1.htm

It's $88 for a temp.-controlled AC or DC powered FAST charger with
adaptors for scads of popular batteries (I have the Canons and
Sonys).

Beats the %#@! out of Canon's proprietary charger price!
 
Thanks for the reference. The chapter in the book is in agreement with what I found out about the Mach 1 using a digital voltmeter to measure the no-load voltages. Fully charged at about 8.5v (2x4.25?) by the G2 and about 8.3v by the Mach 1. So the Mach 1 does seem to neglect the topping charge which is the extra couple of hours the G2 needs to do this. I'll either return the charger and use the refund toward a Canon unit or just use it for a spare for my car - after I file down the ridges on the lighter adapter.
http://www.buchmann.ca/Chap4-page8.asp

The charge time of all Li-ion batteries, when charged at a 1C
initial current, is about 3 hours. The battery remains cool during
charge. Full charge is attained after the voltage has reached the
upper voltage threshold and the current has dropped and leveled off
at about 3 percent of the nominal charge current.

Increasing the charge current on a Li-ion charger does not shorten
the charge time by much. Although the voltage peak is reached
quicker with higher current, the topping charge will take longer.
Figure 4-5 shows the voltage and current signature of a charger as
the Li-ion cell passes through stage one and two.

Some chargers claim to fast-charge a Li-ion battery in one hour or
less. Such a charger eliminates stage 2 and goes directly to
‘ready’ once the voltage threshold is reached at the end of stage
1. The charge level at this point is about 70 percent. The topping
charge typically takes twice as long as the initial charge.
I tried 2 samples of the Mach 1 Li ion speed chargers and I found
that niether of them charges the Canon 511 batteries fully and
consequentlly doesn't last as long as when charged in the G2. The
"fully charged voltage" when charged by the Mach 1 (after 30mins,
according to specs and indicator lights) is lower than that when
charged by the G2 itself. As a result I now usually finalize the
Mach 1 charge using the G2. This takes another 2 hours or so in the
G2. A pity.


I don't know if I got two sub-performing charger or not. Battery
Barn provides excellent service but I may try to contact Lenmar
directly to ask about this. Another problem is that the cigarette
lighter adapter tip has some ridges on it which caused it to get
stuck in my cigarette lighter recepticle in my 4Runner. The adapter
plug came apart and the tip is still in my car!

Any one else having this problem??
--
a l b e r t
--MSChecan
 
Well I also have a Mach-1 charger and these posts have really got me doubting the value of the unit, which I previously thought was pretty good. I never bothered to really check if the charge was full or not, but I am now skeptical and have sent Lenmar an email demanding an explanation.

See what I wrote below- hope you guys dont mind me quoting you in my email (i needed "evidence" to back me up and get them to take this seriously)

Warren.

EMAIL TO LENMAR STARTS HERE

Hello, I purchased a Mach1 speedcharger from batterybarn.com for my Canon Powershot G2 7.2v Li-Ion batteries (BP-511 and equivalent) and am deeply concerned over apparently accurate and verifiable user claims that the Mach-1 does not in fact supply the batteries with a full 100% charge. It is claimed the Mach-1 "accelerates" the charging process and claims the battery is "full" when in fact a normal charger would then revert to normal "trickle"-style top-up charge for several hours (e.g. on my G2 the orange light glows constantly).

I think you need to either provide proof this is not the case, or change your misleading advertising and provide full refunds including cost of shipping for all your customers who have been duped into buying a charger which does NOT perform as claimed by Lenmar.

I purchased the Mach-1 believing it could give my BP-511s a full charge in around 30-45 minutes instead of the 3 hrs it takes in my G2. The Mach-1 has little or no value to me if this is not the case, and the Mach-1's "full" charge is only equivalent to the G2's "preliminary" charge (70% power in 1 hr, remaining 30% in next 2 hrs).

PLEASE READ THE POSTS ON THE DPREVIEW.COM FORUMS BELOW.
PLEASE REPLY ASAP.

There are many other users on dpreview.com demanding an explanation!!!! I have posted a copy of this email so they can be kept up to date on this serious issue. If you cannot provide a satisfactory explanation/proof of performance we will have to take this matter further. Thankyou for your time.

Annoyed customer
Warren Prasek

Text below is copied from:
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1010&message=2209229
***

http://www.buchmann.ca/Chap4-page8.asp

The charge time of all Li-ion batteries, when charged at a 1C
initial current, is about 3 hours. The battery remains cool during
charge. Full charge is attained after the voltage has reached the
upper voltage threshold and the current has dropped and leveled off
at about 3 percent of the nominal charge current.

Increasing the charge current on a Li-ion charger does not shorten
the charge time by much. Although the voltage peak is reached
quicker with higher current, the topping charge will take longer.
Figure 4-5 shows the voltage and current signature of a charger as
the Li-ion cell passes through stage one and two.

Some chargers claim to fast-charge a Li-ion battery in one hour or
less. Such a charger eliminates stage 2 and goes directly to
‘ready’ once the voltage threshold is reached at the end of stage
1. The charge level at this point is about 70 percent. The topping
charge typically takes twice as long as the initial charge.
I tried 2 samples of the Mach 1 Li ion speed chargers and I found
that niether of them charges the Canon 511 batteries fully and
consequentlly doesn't last as long as when charged in the G2. The
"fully charged voltage" when charged by the Mach 1 (after 30mins,
according to specs and indicator lights) is lower than that when
charged by the G2 itself. As a result I now usually finalize the
Mach 1 charge using the G2. This takes another 2 hours or so in the
G2. A pity.


I don't know if I got two sub-performing charger or not. Battery
Barn provides excellent service but I may try to contact Lenmar
directly to ask about this. Another problem is that the cigarette
lighter adapter tip has some ridges on it which caused it to get
stuck in my cigarette lighter recepticle in my 4Runner. The adapter
plug came apart and the tip is still in my car!

Any one else having this problem??
--
a l b e r t
--

MSChecan--------------------------------------i was gonna type something witty here but then i changed my mind.
 
Warren,

That's a strong letter. Did you also have this experience with your own charger? Or just relying on these few posts?? The more data the better.
See what I wrote below- hope you guys dont mind me quoting you in
my email (i needed "evidence" to back me up and get them to take
this seriously)

Warren.

EMAIL TO LENMAR STARTS HERE

Hello, I purchased a Mach1 speedcharger from batterybarn.com for my
Canon Powershot G2 7.2v Li-Ion batteries (BP-511 and equivalent)
and am deeply concerned over apparently accurate and verifiable
user claims that the Mach-1 does not in fact supply the batteries
with a full 100% charge. It is claimed the Mach-1 "accelerates" the
charging process and claims the battery is "full" when in fact a
normal charger would then revert to normal "trickle"-style top-up
charge for several hours (e.g. on my G2 the orange light glows
constantly).

I think you need to either provide proof this is not the case, or
change your misleading advertising and provide full refunds
including cost of shipping for all your customers who have been
duped into buying a charger which does NOT perform as claimed by
Lenmar.

I purchased the Mach-1 believing it could give my BP-511s a full
charge in around 30-45 minutes instead of the 3 hrs it takes in my
G2. The Mach-1 has little or no value to me if this is not the
case, and the Mach-1's "full" charge is only equivalent to the G2's
"preliminary" charge (70% power in 1 hr, remaining 30% in next 2
hrs).

PLEASE READ THE POSTS ON THE DPREVIEW.COM FORUMS BELOW.
PLEASE REPLY ASAP.

There are many other users on dpreview.com demanding an
explanation!!!! I have posted a copy of this email so they can be
kept up to date on this serious issue. If you cannot provide a
satisfactory explanation/proof of performance we will have to take
this matter further. Thankyou for your time.

Annoyed customer
Warren Prasek

Text below is copied from:
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1010&message=2209229
***

http://www.buchmann.ca/Chap4-page8.asp

The charge time of all Li-ion batteries, when charged at a 1C
initial current, is about 3 hours. The battery remains cool during
charge. Full charge is attained after the voltage has reached the
upper voltage threshold and the current has dropped and leveled off
at about 3 percent of the nominal charge current.

Increasing the charge current on a Li-ion charger does not shorten
the charge time by much. Although the voltage peak is reached
quicker with higher current, the topping charge will take longer.
Figure 4-5 shows the voltage and current signature of a charger as
the Li-ion cell passes through stage one and two.

Some chargers claim to fast-charge a Li-ion battery in one hour or
less. Such a charger eliminates stage 2 and goes directly to
‘ready’ once the voltage threshold is reached at the end of stage
1. The charge level at this point is about 70 percent. The topping
charge typically takes twice as long as the initial charge.
I tried 2 samples of the Mach 1 Li ion speed chargers and I found
that niether of them charges the Canon 511 batteries fully and
consequentlly doesn't last as long as when charged in the G2. The
"fully charged voltage" when charged by the Mach 1 (after 30mins,
according to specs and indicator lights) is lower than that when
charged by the G2 itself. As a result I now usually finalize the
Mach 1 charge using the G2. This takes another 2 hours or so in the
G2. A pity.


I don't know if I got two sub-performing charger or not. Battery
Barn provides excellent service but I may try to contact Lenmar
directly to ask about this. Another problem is that the cigarette
lighter adapter tip has some ridges on it which caused it to get
stuck in my cigarette lighter recepticle in my 4Runner. The adapter
plug came apart and the tip is still in my car!

Any one else having this problem??
--
a l b e r t
--
MSChecan
--
------------------------------------
i was gonna type something witty here but then i changed my mind.
--MSChecan
 
As I said, no i haven't conducted extensive tests on my own charger, but have felt the charge has been shorter-lived in my camera than I was used to since using the Mach-1. I put this down to my own perception and not an actual occurence, but these posts (esp. the one with the reference) concerned me enough to go directly to the manufacturer.

If they can debunk these claims, that's great. It's just that too many times I've mucked around with certain products which I expected to perform in a certain manner, when they didn't, instead of going direct to the manufacturer and asking for an explanation.

If there's any chance that I (we) have been duped with this charger, I will certainly want my money back. Let's hear what Lenmar have to say first. I thought they should become involved sooner rather than later, before this gets way out of hand (their "right to reply"). Best get them involved now.

your thoughts? (and yeah, re my strong wording... i don't have time to pussy-foot around with a big company! i just want their attention and a response from them. i don't stoop to insults though.. :)

warren.
Warren,
That's a strong letter. Did you also have this experience with your
own charger? Or just relying on these few posts?? The more data
the better.
--------------------------------------i was gonna type something witty here but then i changed my mind.
 
Well I have just received the following somewhat cryptic reply from Lenmar to my email demanding an explanation of these potential problems with the Mach-1. Not sure if this is auto-generated or actually written by a human.

Not sure either if I will ever receive a reply (i couldnt find an email address ANYWHERE on their site, only forms to submit, so i guessed at "[email protected]") or if this is their way of saying "go away".

And what's wrong with contacting them via email i wonder? Do they expect me to call international from Australia and sit on hold for 15 minutes then get transfered 5 times to an idiot who can't help me anyway?

Enough ranting. Here's their response (to their credit it was very quick, so probably was at least semi-automated):

---------------------------------------

Good Day:

Thank you for your request for we are happy to help you. Have you ever
contacted us to discuss this issue? If not, why so upset and go to so much
effort without contacting us to discus etc. We welcome your comments and
will look the problem you encountered.

Please come back and visit our website again and refer to our frequently
asked questions, http://www.lenmar.com/faq.asp . We hope you find them helpful.

Regards,
Customer Service

http://www.Lenmar.com--------------------------------------i was gonna type something witty here but then i changed my mind.
 
Well that sucks. I just pulled mine out of the box last night and charged one of my spare G2 batteries. The reason I purchased it was because my original G2 charger was stolen from a hotel in L.A. Now that I know it doesn't charge the battery to a full charge, I feel like I've wasted my money. I should have just purchased the Canon charger.
Well I have just received the following somewhat cryptic reply from
Lenmar to my email demanding an explanation of these potential
problems with the Mach-1. Not sure if this is auto-generated or
actually written by a human.

Not sure either if I will ever receive a reply (i couldnt find an
email address ANYWHERE on their site, only forms to submit, so i
guessed at "[email protected]") or if this is their way of saying "go
away".

And what's wrong with contacting them via email i wonder? Do they
expect me to call international from Australia and sit on hold for
15 minutes then get transfered 5 times to an idiot who can't help
me anyway?

Enough ranting. Here's their response (to their credit it was very
quick, so probably was at least semi-automated):

---------------------------------------

Good Day:

Thank you for your request for we are happy to help you. Have you ever
contacted us to discuss this issue? If not, why so upset and go to
so much
effort without contacting us to discus etc. We welcome your
comments and
will look the problem you encountered.

Please come back and visit our website again and refer to our
frequently
asked questions, http://www.lenmar.com/faq.asp . We hope you find
them helpful.

Regards,
Customer Service
http://www.Lenmar.com
--
------------------------------------
i was gonna type something witty here but then i changed my mind.
 
What was your original G2 charger???
Well I have just received the following somewhat cryptic reply from
Lenmar to my email demanding an explanation of these potential
problems with the Mach-1. Not sure if this is auto-generated or
actually written by a human.

Not sure either if I will ever receive a reply (i couldnt find an
email address ANYWHERE on their site, only forms to submit, so i
guessed at "[email protected]") or if this is their way of saying "go
away".

And what's wrong with contacting them via email i wonder? Do they
expect me to call international from Australia and sit on hold for
15 minutes then get transfered 5 times to an idiot who can't help
me anyway?

Enough ranting. Here's their response (to their credit it was very
quick, so probably was at least semi-automated):

---------------------------------------

Good Day:

Thank you for your request for we are happy to help you. Have you ever
contacted us to discuss this issue? If not, why so upset and go to
so much
effort without contacting us to discus etc. We welcome your
comments and
will look the problem you encountered.

Please come back and visit our website again and refer to our
frequently
asked questions, http://www.lenmar.com/faq.asp . We hope you find
them helpful.

Regards,
Customer Service
http://www.Lenmar.com
--
------------------------------------
i was gonna type something witty here but then i changed my mind.
--MSChecan
 
I charged a battery in the Mach1 and then put it back into my G2. I then plugged in the Canon adapter. The battery was not fully charged. The G2 light blinked orange. Within a few minutes it went to a solid orange meaning that it was doing the full charge. That was about an hour and a half ago. This confirms to me anyway, that the Mach 1 does not fully charge the battery.
I don't know if I got two sub-performing charger or not. Battery
Barn provides excellent service but I may try to contact Lenmar
directly to ask about this. Another problem is that the cigarette
lighter adapter tip has some ridges on it which caused it to get
stuck in my cigarette lighter recepticle in my 4Runner. The adapter
plug came apart and the tip is still in my car!

Any one else having this problem??
Anyone know anything about this new rapid charger that will
re-charge all sorts of proprietary Lithium Ion batts. including
Canon BP-511/512, as well as Sony InfoLithium, etc.? In under 30
minutes???

http://www.thomas-distributing.com/lm-msc1.htm

It's $88 for a temp.-controlled AC or DC powered FAST charger with
adaptors for scads of popular batteries (I have the Canons and
Sonys).

Beats the %#@! out of Canon's proprietary charger price!
--
MSChecan
 

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