What I expect about Phil's S5 review & conclusion...

[photoforfun]

Looking foreward to it, because Phil's reviews are always outstanding, I still doubt that the S5pro will get a full "highly recommended" conclusion despite that to my opinion the S5pro deserves a "very highly recommended" rating.

Phil was one of the few reviewers who didn't take the S3pro great IQ and exceptional DR capabilities valuable enough to counterbalance the outdated body(which I agreed), and he gave it a poor "above average".

I don't expect a full "highly recommended" on the S5pro neither, based on interpretations like; "too expensive"(which it isn't imho...), "is a 6Mpix sensor still for 2007"(Chasseur d'Images indicates clearly in their full test report that for real resolution it easily equals "any good 8Mp sensor"), "too little, too late...", "slow fps in extended DR mode"(imho you don't need speed for capturing a sunset in an exceptional way), "expensive RAW conversion software" (which I agree)...

At the other hand I am curious to see how he takes the weight of the outstanding D200 body, the best DR of any available DSLR of this moment(stated as well by Thom Hogan), great Jpegs "out of the box", great skintones, and very good to outstanding high iso capacities into account for his final verdict.

I think it will be a "highly recommended-(but only just!)" rating, but in the mean time I hope I think wrong...

Just my thoughts...
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[jyiu986]

really don't care what he thinks....because I know it is a good camera

 

[coolpixboy]

I remember Simon Joinson (the other guy) saying once that they only give highly recommended ratings to cameras without any significant flaw. Except if Phil uses the S5 and falls in love with it and his heart overrides his head, I can't see how he will give it any more than a recommended rating. But actually, I don't really care what rating he gives it because I bought the S3 and look what rating he gave that.

Looking foreward to it, because Phil's reviews are always
outstanding, I still doubt that the S5pro will get a full "highly
recommended" conclusion despite that to my opinion the S5pro
deserves a "very highly recommended" rating.
Phil was one of the few reviewers who didn't take the S3pro great
IQ and exceptional DR capabilities valuable enough to
counterbalance the outdated body(which I agreed), and he gave it a
poor "above average".
I don't expect a full "highly recommended" on the S5pro neither,
based on interpretations like; "too expensive"(which it isn't
imho...), "is a 6Mpix sensor still for 2007"(Chasseur d'Images
indicates clearly in their full test report that for real
resolution it easily equals "any good 8Mp sensor"), "too little,
too late...", "slow fps in extended DR mode"(imho you don't need
speed for capturing a sunset in an exceptional way), "expensive RAW
conversion software" (which I agree)...
At the other hand I am curious to see how he takes the weight of
the outstanding D200 body, the best DR of any available DSLR of
this moment(stated as well by Thom Hogan), great Jpegs "out of the
box", great skintones, and very good to outstanding high iso
capacities into account for his final verdict.
I think it will be a "highly recommended-(but only just!)" rating,
but in the mean time I hope I think wrong...

Just my thoughts...
--
Photography is a marvellous hobby which I enjoy, not to compete...
Kindest regards,
Stany
http://www.fotografie.fr/

 

[paisatge]

not sure about Phil's review but I own one and have used it and I love it.

 

[bkj]

I wonder if Phil's gonna contradict himself on the 6MP issue, as he praised Nikon for sticking with 6MP on the D40.

Cheers

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Tokina AF 12-24/4.0
Nikon AF-S 18-200/3.5-5.6G VR
Tamron AF 28-75/2.8
Tamron AF 70-300/4-5.6

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[Bernie Ess]

I wonder if Phil's gonna contradict himself on the 6MP issue, as he
praised Nikon for sticking with 6MP on the D40.

... because the d40 is an entry level camera, the cheapest available, whereas the S5 is called "pro".

What bothers me is that the S5 has the same resolution than the S2 pro which appeared 5years ago. That's what I'd call stagnation.

Bernie

 

[Bernie Ess]

imho...), "is a 6Mpix sensor still for 2007"(Chasseur d'Images
indicates clearly in their full test report that for real
resolution it easily equals "any good 8Mp sensor"),

I was subscribed to chasseur d'images for a year and none of their reviews convinced me. They claim a lot but show only small example images. I found their reviews less convincing than the better online reviews.

Af to the Fuji sensor, it does well on resolution charts - regular lines and such - where it reaches 8MP apparently. In real life pictures with fine texture detail this does not work. The very smooth Fuji look adds to that. In my own comparision the S3pro (which I have) has slightly less detail information in the pics than the Canon 20d (8MP).

I would not buy an 8MP camera for that alone, and I am sure the S5 would win in every other image category against a Canon 8MP camera (except speed).
Again: Not test charts, but real pics are required for resolution evaluation.

Bernie

 

[puddleduck]

I was subscribed to chasseur d'images for a year and none of their reviews convinced me.

Agreed - in their D200 review they claimed that ISO800 was virtually noiseless, so I guess they have some nice rose tinted spectacles somewhere in their office

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-Andy

 

[bkj]

... because the d40 is an entry level camera, the cheapest
available, whereas the S5 is called "pro".

Phil said: "The biggest news however is probably fact that Nikon resisted the temptation to keep chasing megapixels (hooray for that) and instead appear to have concentrated on what makes a good camera...."

His statement above should apply to all DSLR. Not just entry level.

What bothers me is that the S5 has the same resolution than the S2
pro which appeared 5years ago. That's what I'd call stagnation.

But keep stuffing MP into the tiny DX size sensor is a "solution" asking for trouble too. Going full frame with the same fabrication at 14/14MP would make a lot more sense. But I doubt we would ever see this from Fuji.

Cheers

----------------------------------------------------
Fujifilm S3 Pro
Tokina AF 12-24/4.0
Nikon AF-S 18-200/3.5-5.6G VR
Tamron AF 28-75/2.8
Tamron AF 70-300/4-5.6

http://www.flickr.com/photos/autoclavable/

 

[DavidMillier]

You know, I'm unconvinced about "the great D200 body".

It's a good body, yes, and a step up from the cheaper models but I have to say that when I tried it out at Gray's of Westminster I was a bit underwhelmed. I couldn't see that it was obviously any better built than the 5D. It is certainly not a D2x without the grip.

I feel that there has been a certain amount of uncritical parroting going on which has helped to create the urban myth that the D200 has some kind of ultra body quality...

Looking foreward to it, because Phil's reviews are always
outstanding, I still doubt that the S5pro will get a full "highly
recommended" conclusion despite that to my opinion the S5pro
deserves a "very highly recommended" rating.
Phil was one of the few reviewers who didn't take the S3pro great
IQ and exceptional DR capabilities valuable enough to
counterbalance the outdated body(which I agreed), and he gave it a
poor "above average".
I don't expect a full "highly recommended" on the S5pro neither,
based on interpretations like; "too expensive"(which it isn't
imho...), "is a 6Mpix sensor still for 2007"(Chasseur d'Images
indicates clearly in their full test report that for real
resolution it easily equals "any good 8Mp sensor"), "too little,
too late...", "slow fps in extended DR mode"(imho you don't need
speed for capturing a sunset in an exceptional way), "expensive RAW
conversion software" (which I agree)...
At the other hand I am curious to see how he takes the weight of
the outstanding D200 body, the best DR of any available DSLR of
this moment(stated as well by Thom Hogan), great Jpegs "out of the
box", great skintones, and very good to outstanding high iso
capacities into account for his final verdict.
I think it will be a "highly recommended-(but only just!)" rating,
but in the mean time I hope I think wrong...

Just my thoughts...
--
Photography is a marvellous hobby which I enjoy, not to compete...
Kindest regards,
Stany
http://www.fotografie.fr/

--
Galleries and website: http://www.whisperingcat.co.uk/mainindex.htm

 

[photoforfun]

I was subscribed to chasseur d'images for a year and none of their reviews convinced me. They claim a lot but show only small example images. I found their reviews less convincing than the better online reviews.

This you told me already, you wrote "Chasseur d'Images is for a boring saturday morning..." or something like that....

Eventhough thousands of good photographers with some quiet famous professionals among them find CI a very high quality photography magazine with good lens and camera evaluations/reviews, but perhaps they all think wrong...

--
Photography is a marvellous hobby which I enjoy, not to compete...
Kindest regards,
Stany
http://www.fotografie.fr/

 

[photoforfun]

You know, I'm unconvinced about "the great D200 body".

I would agree with, "absolutely great for its price range..."

It's a good body, yes, and a step up from the cheaper models but I have to say that when I tried it out at Gray's of Westminster I was a bit underwhelmed. I couldn't see that it was obviously any better built than the 5D.

To my opinion it's a much better body than the 5D, with better flash system, better af, more usefull features, weather seals, etc ...

It is certainly not a D2x without the grip.

No, I agree, D1/D2 series are another league (I have D1X), also the AF on the D1/D2 series is remarkably better than from the D200;
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Photography is a marvellous hobby which I enjoy, not to compete...
Kindest regards,
Stany
http://www.fotografie.fr/

 

[DavidMillier]

Hi

Sorry about possible ambiguity in my previous post.

My comparison of 5D and D200 bodies wasn't about features, seals etc - I was merely commentating on the in the hand "feel".

Personally, I think the 5D is a cut above the 20 and 30D which are a cut above the 350D and 400D. Likewise, the D200 is nicer than the D100/D70/D50. However, there is little difference IMO between D200 and 5D. They are both weighty, have lots of metal and feel refined.

Many people argue the D200 is miles better. That would suggest to me that it was a reduced size D2x or 1Ds. It isn't; just doesn't have the same tank like quality.

But this is just an observation about perception. As a working tool I'm sure it is very good (as is the 5D).

You know, I'm unconvinced about "the great D200 body".

I would agree with, "absolutely great for its price range..."

It's a good body, yes, and a step up from the cheaper models but I have to say that when I tried it out at Gray's of Westminster I was a bit underwhelmed. I couldn't see that it was obviously any better built than the 5D.

To my opinion it's a much better body than the 5D, with better
flash system, better af, more usefull features, weather seals, etc
...

It is certainly not a D2x without the grip.

No, I agree, D1/D2 series are another league (I have D1X), also the
AF on the D1/D2 series is remarkably better than from the D200;
--
Photography is a marvellous hobby which I enjoy, not to compete...
Kindest regards,
Stany
http://www.fotografie.fr/

--
Galleries and website: http://www.whisperingcat.co.uk/mainindex.htm

 

[indieridley]

everybody is entitled to give it a high rating or the lowest.It just depends on the reviewer and his point of view.a review is just a review,it is not the camera itself.

A preview on the digital camera buyers guide uk magazine says that the speed and performance of the s5 dramatically improved plus the bonus DR and low noise up to 3200 like the F30.-Another Point of view

so lets see if its true.All i know is fujifilm is a pillar brand in photography.

 

[Osku]

But keep stuffing MP into the tiny DX size sensor is a "solution"
asking for trouble too. Going full frame with the same fabrication
at 14/14MP would make a lot more sense. But I doubt we would ever
see this from Fuji.

FF with S3 / S5 sensor would be about 15+15 MP (14,93 + 14,93 MP). Not a big difference but 15 + 15 would probably give better actual resolution than the 1Ds-II does (even 1Ds-II would have 6% more pixels per axis - compared to the R-pixels, the Fuji would output 30 MP files though...). That would be something.

--
Osku

 

[Osku]

Eventhough thousands of good photographers with some quiet famous
professionals among them find CI a very high quality photography
magazine with good lens and camera evaluations/reviews, but perhaps
they all think wrong...

Without saying anything about the CI, please define "good photographer". There might be audience for something that is for good photographers even it would not be cutting edge pro mag. So what do you mean with "good photographers"? Are those less than great photographers or pro photographers or great pro photographers or astonishing pro photographers? If thousands of those good photogs of 60 million inhabitants in France read it, it does not say that much to me.

--
Osku

 

[Artichoke]

Osku wrote:
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FF with S3 / S5 sensor would be about 15+15 MP (14,93 + 14,93 MP).
Not a big difference but 15 + 15 would probably give better actual
resolution than the 1Ds-II does (even 1Ds-II would have 6% more
pixels per axis - compared to the R-pixels, the Fuji would output
30 MP files though...). That would be something.

is that this is what will be in the D3X which should be announced later this year
Fujifilm & Nikon will get their act together & make an uber camera
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[NAF Photography]

Little doubt about that in my mind.

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[Artichoke]

should have little effect for thoughtful buyers
the word is out from early adapters
the S5 will prove successful regardless of what DPR says

that said I suspect they will bestow upon the S5 a higher rating than they gave the S3
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[Bad Pic kev]

and all the comments in reviews will not make one difference about the S5 pics already posted. now will it affect the pics that will be posted after the reviews.
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