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Tungsten bulbs to be banned in Europe

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K1000Photographer said:
I have lived there and in the US. Given the levels of bad stuff in
the water and air, each Chinese person produces a lot more
pollution than a typical American. I know the UN will not like it
but that is the reality.
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the same reality as the supposed Iraks wapons of mass destruction .....
 
K1000Photographer said:
It should bother you that the focus of these numbers is so tiny and
incomplete. There are too many assumptions made. The difference in
pollution controls is enormous. a Chinese car produces more
pollution than a US car. A small coal power plant in China produces
multiples the pollution of a large plant in the US. The same is
true for their factories. The private use of coal for cooking and
heating is quite common and very dirty.
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What assumptions? They are giving the total co2 emmisions from the various fuel sources, that's all I've been comparing. Whether you have a million efficient cars or half a million cars that pollute twice as much per car is irrelevant for the total emmissions. I'm not at all arguing that China is less efficient pollution wise per unit of whatever produced (which is likely true), just that the USA produces more total co2 emmissions. The data backs this up whether you like it or not.
K1000Photographer said:
I have lived there and in the US. Given the levels of bad stuff in
the water and air, each Chinese person produces a lot more
pollution than a typical American. I know the UN will not like it
but that is the reality.
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Find a source to back this up. Sorry but you just saying it is true doesn't make it so. I'm well aware co2 emmissions aren't the entire story when it comes to overall pollution and environmental damage, but give something to back up your claims.
 
PaulTO said:
Find a source to back this up. Sorry but you just saying it is true
doesn't make it so. I'm well aware co2 emmissions aren't the entire
story when it comes to overall pollution and environmental damage,
but give something to back up your claims.
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the CIA will provide (produce) as much evidence the US administration (sorry the Buch administration) needs.
 
I have lived there for years. The air and water is filthy and the use of resources is incredibly wasteful. You haven't lived until you see the sun vanish on a clear day, about 20 degrees above the horizon due to pollution. Or where the region will shut down all the factories in order for the sky to finally be blue so a TV documentary can be made. Or a friend visits and everyone comments on her bravery for wearing a white coat, since the air pollution will turn it grey in a day.
 
Numbers? There are no numbers for a lot of what goes on over there. If it is out of the cities, forget it. That alone is 3/4 of the country and it is treated as if it did not exist. BUT, I am sure the central government can give you some nice clean numbers.
 
Nothing but anecdotal evidence then?

Maybe China produces more overall pollution (by whatever measure) than the USA in total or per capita. I don't know one way or the other, I've only looked into and made claims about co2 emmissions. There's no point in you providing anecdotal evidence for me, I won't be satisfied without some data. Unless this is on its way, let's call it a day :)
 
Edvinas said:
Lance B said:
Yes, they have decided to go the "no tungsten bulbs" route here in
Australia. We are going to stop all global warming with our huge
20million population. ;-)
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Unfortunately those 20 million population manage to put Australia
well into top 20 of the worst polluters and into spot #2 for
pollution per capita. Nothing to be proud of, IMHO. USA isn't an
example to follow.
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Australia makes up less than 2% of total output.

The largest polluters are Europe, USA, China and soon to be India. I know we should all do our bit to reduce global warming(if it is indeed all man made), but our small amount is going to do zippity do da to the overall effect. In fact it is the countries with small populations that will suffer the most when it comes to reducing their own greenhouse gasses with job losses and ecomonic hardship. It is the major players like the US, Europe and China etc that should be doing the most.

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What, no more cozy and soothing orangish home light that so much resembles natural fire? No inviting at night warm window lights that add such a charm to towns and cities? Now everything inside and out will be lit like morgue with live inhabitants having same greenish skin tint?

Are there at least any "politically correct" luminescent home lights that emit a more humane light?

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pjv said:
I've been using energy efficient bulbs for several years now, they
still need the tungsten WB setting or my photos come out yellowish.

Pete

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Me too. All the incandescent bulbs in the house have been replaced with fluorescents. Tungsten white balance works quite well under these fluorescents with my K100D.
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tapir said:
Are there at least any "politically correct" luminescent home
lights that emit a more humane light?
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Don't worry, there are 2650K luminescent lights :)

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Edvinas
 
stern said:
stavros dimas (european commission - evironment commissioner) was
quoted in the news recently as thinking about an EC-guideline
banning bulbs below category "c" energy-efficiency (tungsten bulbs
are below this threshold). also in the news: the german
eu-presidency might submit a proposal to the commission in the
coming weeks...
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Don't see how that would help anything at all. The energy efficiency of the bulbs only tell how much power is translated into light. The rest becomes heat, which usually helps keep your house warm and makes your (usually) electric heaters work less.

Now, using tungsten bulbs outdoors is a complete waste of electricity.

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That's why I've been trying out the GE Daylight compact fluorescents - the package says 6500K and my camera seems to agree. I like the look of them too - they don't have the drab, yellow-with-a-hint-of-green look of some CFLs I've tried. Also, they sort out the mixed indoor/window light problem nicely.

It was surprising at first to see such a high color temperature inside the house, though - looking at it from the stairway, one of my bedrooms with the Daylights looked like it had a skylight put in! So you might want to try them in one or two rooms first.
 
But on the bright side, someone will be able to make a good living selling high priced tungsten bulbs through Ebay to those who miss the warm glow, for about a 1000% markup!
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