New Sony DSLR

[ron8648]

Attended a George Lepp seminar yesterday and he mentioned that his contacts in the industry had told him that Sony would be introducing a new DSLR (6MP @ 60 FPS). Not sure I would need a 60 FPS but no other details were mentioned.

A Canon sales rep was also there (George is a canon man) and also confirmed. George's comment was " There are three major players now Canon, Nikon, & Sony and Sony is closing in fast on the other two".

Anyone heard anything about this?

 

[Elgsdyr]

.. how every time we get a new rumour it's something completely new that hardly fits with previous rumours... Not saying you invented this, but either the Sony reps don't know what's going on, or they are playing games with us...

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[greentoe]

Supposedly Sony is "closing fast", when C&N have 90% of the market and Sony something like 2% or so....

Also, 60FPS is not reasonable for an SLR. The "R" in SLR stands for "Reflex", which means a mirror of some sort. Flopping it around at 60FPS is a no go....

Sony has plenty of interest in video, and perhaps someday we will see a Sony videocam that indeed does have an Alpha mount (similar to Canon's products with EF mounts.)

-gt

 

[Elgsdyr]

... that this is your only post.

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[inFocus]

Supposedly Sony is "closing fast", when C&N have 90% of the market
and Sony something like 2% or so....

Also, 60FPS is not reasonable for an SLR. The "R" in SLR stands
for "Reflex", which means a mirror of some sort. Flopping it
around at 60FPS is a no go....

Is it necessary for a mirror to "flop"" at 60FPS? An example; move mirror, take 30 frames and move back mirror, wouldn't that would work also?

If Sony wants to be innovative, the mirror should not be a big problem.

 

[futile32]

With the news of sony's 6mp 60fps CCD in feb, this SLR rumour is an easy one to create. I somehow doubt a SLR (mirror) will cope with that speed. More like a camcorder.

 

[Rouslan]

Mirror could keep up with 60 FPS if Sony changes mirror assembly and make it rotate rather then go up and down
1200 FPS will be possible too
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[ryenyny]

I believe you or your source confused with the news of Sony CMOS which can output 6.4M-pixel images at 60 frame/s..
See the following link.

Mirror can never move 60 times per second.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0702/07021801sonyhighspeedcmos.asp

 

[Franka T.L.]

I suppose that really show the might of marketing ..... right ....
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[GiorgioPM]

Live view from main sensor:

1) Mirror locked-up

or ...

2) EVIL

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[b shaw]

very challenging.

Mark Weir, (Sony Prod Mgmr for DSLRs) said as much, too.

b shaw

 

[Claymore]

that CMOS sensor they have been touting. Where you will pick the best frame from the 60 shot
burst. Great for sports I guess.
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and shoot lots of pictures,-- to
remember it by.'

 

[Nordstjernen]

Electronic video finder -- no mirror, no vibrations ... just more pictures within a second than we ever could afford on a single day back in the days of photographic film.

 

[toughluck]

I believe you or your source confused with the news of Sony CMOS
which can output 6.4M-pixel images at 60 frame/s..

Which is quite a small sensor... 7.2 by 5.4 mm... 4,77x crop factor. Well, yay, the 600 mm telephoto just became a 2900 monstrosity.

BTW, I can really see that sensor making its way into professional camcorders. It can pixel-bin 1.5x2 for 1080p (anizotropic) or 2x3 (anizotropic) for 720p, which are very simple maths involving mostly integers (once the signal is already digitized). Noise is lowered, sensitivity is improved, quality is achieved through brute force (pixel smearing will work nicely with redundant resolution). Sony will make a 4000x3000 @60 fps sensor, mark my words (2x2 1080p, 3x3 720p with electronic stabilization).

See the following link.

Mirror can never move 60 times per second.

Yes, but you can have pellicle mirrors that don't need to move. See Canon Pellix or EOS 1DRS. Plus, you can put in electronic gating when the shutter is open.

 

[CM PHoto]

The techincal challenges in making a single lens reflex mirror assembly that could withstand 60fps would be enormous, and would esentially render the viewfinder worthless during shooting.

Canon has had trouble with it at 10fps.

chad

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. . . And I couldn't wait forever.

 

[greentoe]

You can flip a mirror up, flip it down, (or do both ala Zenza), flip it to the side, slide it out of the way, etc.

But it is all not necessary. If you really want 60FPS the way to do it is with video. Forget the SLR and just go straight to EVIL/SLEV.

-gt

 

[Leon van Bommel]

Nope, although marketing isn't one of Sony's weaknesses, it isn't marketing alone that drives people to make this statement. Sony as a whole is a much more capable competitor. It already was a capable sensor manufacturer, and now has a mount to work with, a very capable design team they took over plus some very good lenses. Plus they started using CZ lenses: in the past people would switch brands just to gain access to Zeiss lenses.

So Nikon and Canon should be worried: Sony is only just starting it's productline, and is already making good sale figures. As they expand their lineup both in bodies and in lenses, they'll catch an even bigger chunk of the market.

 

[svensven]

Was that a video camera seminar? They don't even have a photographic camera that can track subjects properly yet , so more than 3fps isnt too useful anyway until they have a camera with better Af.

Attended a George Lepp seminar yesterday and he mentioned that his
contacts in the industry had told him that Sony would be
introducing a new DSLR (6MP @ 60 FPS). Not sure I would need a 60
FPS but no other details were mentioned.

A Canon sales rep was also there (George is a canon man) and also
confirmed. George's comment was " There are three major players
now Canon, Nikon, & Sony and Sony is closing in fast on the other
two".

Anyone heard anything about this?

 

[b shaw]

See the pdf from the following site. http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/info/Semiconductor/2006/index.html

Hints at their sensor roadmap regarding video/still imaging convergence.

More directly, note their interest in still/video convergence from http://www.sony.net/Products/SC-HP/cx_news/vol43/featuring.html .

"Sony is now proposing a new way of enjoying photography in which one photographs and records images without concern for the difference between moving images and still images by using this frame readout of 60 frame/s high-speed CMOS sensor and new camera DSP."

• cx_news vol43

Phil gave us another hint, when he pointed to an obscure reference about parallel A/D converters. But that is one of the keys to rapid image processing.

Perhaps this is related to integrating MEMs into CMOS sensors that will be marketed by their newly trademarked 'EXMOR' CMOS sensors.

(MOR sometimes stands for Model Order Reduction, which can be applied to MEMS modeling...Oh! those wild & crazy engineers and their acronyms!)

Of course all of this is just a shotgun of a guess. Any barns nearby? Maybe I can hit a side. Maybe.

b shaw

 

[GiorgioPM]

60 fps don't makes any sense.

I feel that the fps was misleading: It shold be intended as the sensor/image processor fps capability to refresh a live view display (and/or EVF ???).

Don't forget A2 & R1 were discontinued and many are missing them.
R1 had an APS CMOS. CMOS output is voltage CCD is current.
I feel CMOS is more suitable for not-noisy live view capability.

The A100 (IMO) was CCD because a ready Minolta project.
Sony delivered just to avoid to loose Minolta population.
I predict a fun new week at PMA.

I don't know if they were able to put in time togheter all the mosaic pieces (A2, R1, A100) to deliver an EVIL, but may be. I'm really curious.

I bought my DiMAGE for $1100 (and I was satisfied). I would pay same price or more for an EVIL with a R1 (or better) sensor. The fact I have to spend more for the lenses, doesn't matter, because lenses are an investment (a camera not).
I suppose many other are waiting for that.

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