World distortion, not barrel one!

[SFJP]

I had a strange experience these last days. As some of you may know, I am for now in exile in a little house on a cliff above a lovely beach in south Brittany, with noone around in this season. So, my only photographic subject is the sea of course. The sea and its horizon. When I first look to my pictures taken from the cliff I was surprised to see a very curved horizon. I did not remember the barrel distortion of my 6900 was so strong. What a disapointment, I thought, my lens becomes worst and worst with the time. Looking more closely to these pictures and the many others I took after, I discovered another subject of worry. The barrel distortion was not symmetrical: it showed an horizon significantly more curved on the left than on the right. Oh Boy, I thought (in French), I have really to send back my 6900 for a repair of its lens, I cannot wait any longer!

Well, some days ago I went with my blue-skirt camel (to not be confused with the one with a red skirt who went back to Montreal for a serie of nude pictures with Ron H.) for a long walk along the cliff and for once I did not take my Fuji with me. So, may be for the first time, I have been looking to the horizon directly, not through this terrible little EVF of the 6900 (I hope so much the 602 will provide a really better one!). And, after some time, I stopped mesmerized. The horizon on the sea was very curved. I know of course the earth is round and the horizon appears slightly curved when it is far. But, there, it was really very curved, just like on my pictures. And not only was it curved, but also more curved on the left than on the right: i.e., facing the sea, on my left (Souht-East) the line of horizon was much lower than on my right (North-West)! Exactly like in my pictures. I have no explanation for this optical phenomenon, there is certainly a simple physicall one, but when I came back home I apologized to my Fuji. The strange deformation on its pictures were not due to a barrel distortion (moreover an asymmetrical one), but were just showing a strange optical distortion of the world as could be seen from my cliff by a naive eye. My Fuji helped me to see a reality that my brain was uncounsciously correcting and did not let me see before.

It is not the first time that photography helps me to see directly what the brain tends to correct and hide. But this time I am really impressed: I have been coming several times a year to this siteof Brittany for 30 years, have looked thousands of time the sea form the cliff, and until now I had never noticed how much the horizon was curved and that this curvature was quite asymmetrical.

People, before throwing away your lenses and the camera that come with them if they show strange aberratioss, be sure it is not your brain that hides to you these distortions that may in fact be quite real.

DOes someone else had a similar experience?

SDFJP

PS: I still cannot upload any new pictures because of my slow connection. In 3 weeks I'll be back in San Francsico and will upload some of the pictures I am speaking of.--SFJP
http://www.pbase.com/sfjp

 

[Paul R]

The distortion you were seeing is most likely caused by the gravitational pull of the moon on the ocean, just like it effects the tides.

HTH

Paul R.

I had a strange experience these last days. As some of you may
know, I am for now in exile in a little house on a cliff above a
lovely beach in south Brittany, with noone around in this season.
So, my only photographic subject is the sea of course. The sea and
its horizon. When I first look to my pictures taken from the cliff
I was surprised to see a very curved horizon. I did not remember
the barrel distortion of my 6900 was so strong. What a
disapointment, I thought, my lens becomes worst and worst with the
time. Looking more closely to these pictures and the many others I
took after, I discovered another subject of worry. The barrel
distortion was not symmetrical: it showed an horizon significantly
more curved on the left than on the right. Oh Boy, I thought (in
French), I have really to send back my 6900 for a repair of its
lens, I cannot wait any longer!

Well, some days ago I went with my blue-skirt camel (to not be
confused with the one with a red skirt who went back to Montreal
for a serie of nude pictures with Ron H.) for a long walk along the
cliff and for once I did not take my Fuji with me. So, may be for
the first time, I have been looking to the horizon directly, not
through this terrible little EVF of the 6900 (I hope so much the
602 will provide a really better one!). And, after some time, I
stopped mesmerized. The horizon on the sea was very curved. I know
of course the earth is round and the horizon appears slightly
curved when it is far. But, there, it was really very curved, just
like on my pictures. And not only was it curved, but also more
curved on the left than on the right: i.e., facing the sea, on my
left (Souht-East) the line of horizon was much lower than on my
right (North-West)! Exactly like in my pictures. I have no
explanation for this optical phenomenon, there is certainly a
simple physicall one, but when I came back home I apologized to my
Fuji. The strange deformation on its pictures were not due to a
barrel distortion (moreover an asymmetrical one), but were just
showing a strange optical distortion of the world as could be seen
from my cliff by a naive eye. My Fuji helped me to see a reality
that my brain was uncounsciously correcting and did not let me see
before.

It is not the first time that photography helps me to see directly
what the brain tends to correct and hide. But this time I am really
impressed: I have been coming several times a year to this siteof
Brittany for 30 years, have looked thousands of time the sea form
the cliff, and until now I had never noticed how much the horizon
was curved and that this curvature was quite asymmetrical.

People, before throwing away your lenses and the camera that come
with them if they show strange aberratioss, be sure it is not your
brain that hides to you these distortions that may in fact be quite
real.

DOes someone else had a similar experience?

SDFJP

PS: I still cannot upload any new pictures because of my slow
connection. In 3 weeks I'll be back in San Francsico and will
upload some of the pictures I am speaking of.
--
SFJP
http://www.pbase.com/sfjp

 

[RJNedimyer]

SFJP,

I've often heard that a man hears and sees what he wants to and disregards the rest [it seems there was even a song by the Beatles about that].

So, congrats you've again exceeded average!--RayRJNedimyer

 

[Max61919]

Maybe Simon & Garfunkle.. The Boxer?

But none the less true. Prejudice, preconception, expectations. The lens, in its way, lets us see the world thru different eyes. It see what is there, not what we wish, or believe to be there.

Max

SFJP,

I've often heard that a man hears and sees what he wants to and
disregards the rest [it seems there was even a song by the Beatles
about that].

So, congrats you've again exceeded average!
--
Ray
RJNedimyer

--Max http://www.pbase.com/maxxxam

 

[oTToMaTTic]

It MUST be your eyes and your lens...
the world is FLAT!
right?

right?--www.irishstreet.com

 

[ianR]

Yes, You're right.

If the air is very clear and there are very few clouds, then I think you will be able to see a bit further than when it's pollutted or cloudy. The horizon is usually estimated at being 15miles if I recollect correctly, but this will vary as I've said before.

The further you can see and the wider your angle of vision, then I think it'll look more curved.It'll look straight in the middle no matter what, but if you can see a lot further on the right than on the left, then I think it'll look a lot more curved on the right.

Now is that complete nonsense? I seem to be getting into the habit of taking nonsense recently so I'm not sure any more!!!

Anyway, I shall cancel your subscription to the flat earth society and tell Father Christmas not to visit your chimney any more. My friend the tooth fairy is in a sulk.
All the best
Ian

PS, Wanadoo Xtense works very well,(I'm a recent convert) and I suspect it'll be coming to you very soon because you only have to be within 5km of the relay/exchange.

I had a strange experience these last days. As some of you may
know, I am for now in exile in a little house on a cliff above a
lovely beach in south Brittany, with noone around in this season.
So, my only photographic subject is the sea of course. The sea and
its horizon. When I first look to my pictures taken from the cliff
I was surprised to see a very curved horizon. I did not remember
the barrel distortion of my 6900 was so strong. What a
disapointment, I thought, my lens becomes worst and worst with the
time. Looking more closely to these pictures and the many others I
took after, I discovered another subject of worry. The barrel
distortion was not symmetrical: it showed an horizon significantly
more curved on the left than on the right. Oh Boy, I thought (in
French), I have really to send back my 6900 for a repair of its
lens, I cannot wait any longer!

Well, some days ago I went with my blue-skirt camel (to not be
confused with the one with a red skirt who went back to Montreal
for a serie of nude pictures with Ron H.) for a long walk along the
cliff and for once I did not take my Fuji with me. So, may be for
the first time, I have been looking to the horizon directly, not
through this terrible little EVF of the 6900 (I hope so much the
602 will provide a really better one!). And, after some time, I
stopped mesmerized. The horizon on the sea was very curved. I know
of course the earth is round and the horizon appears slightly
curved when it is far. But, there, it was really very curved, just
like on my pictures. And not only was it curved, but also more
curved on the left than on the right: i.e., facing the sea, on my
left (Souht-East) the line of horizon was much lower than on my
right (North-West)! Exactly like in my pictures. I have no
explanation for this optical phenomenon, there is certainly a
simple physicall one, but when I came back home I apologized to my
Fuji. The strange deformation on its pictures were not due to a
barrel distortion (moreover an asymmetrical one), but were just
showing a strange optical distortion of the world as could be seen
from my cliff by a naive eye. My Fuji helped me to see a reality
that my brain was uncounsciously correcting and did not let me see
before.

It is not the first time that photography helps me to see directly
what the brain tends to correct and hide. But this time I am really
impressed: I have been coming several times a year to this siteof
Brittany for 30 years, have looked thousands of time the sea form
the cliff, and until now I had never noticed how much the horizon
was curved and that this curvature was quite asymmetrical.

People, before throwing away your lenses and the camera that come
with them if they show strange aberratioss, be sure it is not your
brain that hides to you these distortions that may in fact be quite
real.

DOes someone else had a similar experience?

SDFJP

PS: I still cannot upload any new pictures because of my slow
connection. In 3 weeks I'll be back in San Francsico and will
upload some of the pictures I am speaking of.
--
SFJP
http://www.pbase.com/sfjp

 

[Lynn C]

Since there seems to be an unspoken new rule of the forum that every post must contain the numbers 602 - was there perhaps a 602 on the horizon?

Regards
Lynn C

I had a strange experience these last days. As some of you may
know, I am for now in exile in a little house on a cliff above a
lovely beach in south Brittany, with noone around in this season.
So, my only photographic subject is the sea of course. The sea and
its horizon. When I first look to my pictures taken from the cliff
I was surprised to see a very curved horizon. I did not remember
the barrel distortion of my 6900 was so strong. What a
disapointment, I thought, my lens becomes worst and worst with the
time. Looking more closely to these pictures and the many others I
took after, I discovered another subject of worry. The barrel
distortion was not symmetrical: it showed an horizon significantly
more curved on the left than on the right. Oh Boy, I thought (in
French), I have really to send back my 6900 for a repair of its
lens, I cannot wait any longer!

Well, some days ago I went with my blue-skirt camel (to not be
confused with the one with a red skirt who went back to Montreal
for a serie of nude pictures with Ron H.) for a long walk along the
cliff and for once I did not take my Fuji with me. So, may be for
the first time, I have been looking to the horizon directly, not
through this terrible little EVF of the 6900 (I hope so much the
602 will provide a really better one!). And, after some time, I
stopped mesmerized. The horizon on the sea was very curved. I know
of course the earth is round and the horizon appears slightly
curved when it is far. But, there, it was really very curved, just
like on my pictures. And not only was it curved, but also more
curved on the left than on the right: i.e., facing the sea, on my
left (Souht-East) the line of horizon was much lower than on my
right (North-West)! Exactly like in my pictures. I have no
explanation for this optical phenomenon, there is certainly a
simple physicall one, but when I came back home I apologized to my
Fuji. The strange deformation on its pictures were not due to a
barrel distortion (moreover an asymmetrical one), but were just
showing a strange optical distortion of the world as could be seen
from my cliff by a naive eye. My Fuji helped me to see a reality
that my brain was uncounsciously correcting and did not let me see
before.

It is not the first time that photography helps me to see directly
what the brain tends to correct and hide. But this time I am really
impressed: I have been coming several times a year to this siteof
Brittany for 30 years, have looked thousands of time the sea form
the cliff, and until now I had never noticed how much the horizon
was curved and that this curvature was quite asymmetrical.

People, before throwing away your lenses and the camera that come
with them if they show strange aberratioss, be sure it is not your
brain that hides to you these distortions that may in fact be quite
real.

DOes someone else had a similar experience?

SDFJP

PS: I still cannot upload any new pictures because of my slow
connection. In 3 weeks I'll be back in San Francsico and will
upload some of the pictures I am speaking of.
--
SFJP
http://www.pbase.com/sfjp

 

[Redbreast [UK]]

Since there seems to be an unspoken new rule of the forum that
every post must contain the numbers 602 - was there perhaps a 602
on the horizon?

Or maybe 602 bottles of good french red wine, more like! That would explain this nonsense about curved horizons with more bend on one side than the other - huh!

OTOH I really would not mind what I saw after 602 bottles of good wine, so I might try to repeat the experiment ...........--Regards,Robin [Redbreast]

 

[Dirk S.]

Hello SFJP,

Everything is all right with the Fuji lens, your eyes and eventually your sun glasses. . What you describe is very interesting and natural.

Yes the world is a round ball ( a big one) and when you ave enough "horizontal" horizon before you it is very easy to see the rounding of our earth. When you are aware of this it is even strange that in the old times people have ever tohougth the earth was flat.... But they were not in Britany.

I took my "Le nouveau cours des Glénans" from the bookshelf. (For non French speaking readers : this is the "Bible" over here about sailing and navigation wisdom for Yachtsmen.

And it is true : you SHOULD see assimetry. Difficult to see on the South coast for an untrained eye.When you are on the North-coast of Britany it is more easy to see. (You are on the north coast I suppose ?) And on a cliff...)

1 ) The tides are not the whole sea that's going up or down. It is a big wave from several 100 miles. Even stranger : this wave has a speed of about 400 milse an hour (four hundred). This is not the speed of the water but the speed of the energy in the wave.!!!!

Because of the channel (South is Britany, north is Great-Britain, this tide is pushed up between the two lands. And because the coast line is straigth but with "lands ends....." (English ?) the tidal wave is also pushed up between those geographical barriers.

Can you vsually see this tidal wave actually ? You did.

I looked to a tidal map and will explain it more practical.

When you are in Perros-Guirec (about half way Brest and St-Malo) and your vision is between the true north and north north east (this is about 25° of vision ) there can be a differnce in water heigth of 5 meters (15 feet). This can even be more when it is springtide and when there is strong wind.(This wind also helps to "push" the water against the lands ends.....

Hope to help you, and help to save you money before you go to the optician .

Kind regards

Skitch

I had a strange experience these last days. As some of you may
know, I am for now in exile in a little house on a cliff above a
lovely beach in south Brittany, with noone around in this season.
So, my only photographic subject is the sea of course. The sea and
its horizon. When I first look to my pictures taken from the cliff
I was surprised to see a very curved horizon. I did not remember
the barrel distortion of my 6900 was so strong. What a
disapointment, I thought, my lens becomes worst and worst with the
time. Looking more closely to these pictures and the many others I
took after, I discovered another subject of worry. The barrel
distortion was not symmetrical: it showed an horizon significantly
more curved on the left than on the right. Oh Boy, I thought (in
French), I have really to send back my 6900 for a repair of its
lens, I cannot wait any longer!

Well, some days ago I went with my blue-skirt camel (to not be
confused with the one with a red skirt who went back to Montreal
for a serie of nude pictures with Ron H.) for a long walk along the
cliff and for once I did not take my Fuji with me. So, may be for
the first time, I have been looking to the horizon directly, not
through this terrible little EVF of the 6900 (I hope so much the
602 will provide a really better one!). And, after some time, I
stopped mesmerized. The horizon on the sea was very curved. I know
of course the earth is round and the horizon appears slightly
curved when it is far. But, there, it was really very curved, just
like on my pictures. And not only was it curved, but also more
curved on the left than on the right: i.e., facing the sea, on my
left (Souht-East) the line of horizon was much lower than on my
right (North-West)! Exactly like in my pictures. I have no
explanation for this optical phenomenon, there is certainly a
simple physicall one, but when I came back home I apologized to my
Fuji. The strange deformation on its pictures were not due to a
barrel distortion (moreover an asymmetrical one), but were just
showing a strange optical distortion of the world as could be seen
from my cliff by a naive eye. My Fuji helped me to see a reality
that my brain was uncounsciously correcting and did not let me see
before.

It is not the first time that photography helps me to see directly
what the brain tends to correct and hide. But this time I am really
impressed: I have been coming several times a year to this siteof
Brittany for 30 years, have looked thousands of time the sea form
the cliff, and until now I had never noticed how much the horizon
was curved and that this curvature was quite asymmetrical.

People, before throwing away your lenses and the camera that come
with them if they show strange aberratioss, be sure it is not your
brain that hides to you these distortions that may in fact be quite
real.

DOes someone else had a similar experience?

SDFJP

PS: I still cannot upload any new pictures because of my slow
connection. In 3 weeks I'll be back in San Francsico and will
upload some of the pictures I am speaking of.
--
SFJP
http://www.pbase.com/sfjp

--Skitch http://www.digitalfriends.cc

 

[Dirk S.]

Hello SFJP,

Just see that you are in the south of Britany.....
Well : your eye is weel trained.

The same hapens there when the tidal wave is blocked by the coast, but not so strongly as in the north. And : I don't have a map of this region where I can check the figures.....

Kind regards

Sktich--Skitch http://www.digitalfriends.cc

 

[Michael J. Hußmann]

I had a strange experience these last days. As some of you may
know, I am for now in exile in a little house on a cliff above a
lovely beach in south Brittany, with noone around in this season.
So, my only photographic subject is the sea of course. The sea and
its horizon. When I first look to my pictures taken from the cliff
I was surprised to see a very curved horizon.

I'm not sure about the asymmetrical curvature, but apart from that, this isn't very unusual. Suppose for a moment that the world was indeed flat. More precisely, that it had the shape of a disk, and you were standing at its center. The horizon (i.e. the edge of the disk) would appear to be a straight line as long as you were standing directly on the disk, but from a more elevated vantage point, you could see that the horizon was actually a circle.

Now the world is actually a sphere, and regardless of where you are standing on that sphere's surface, all you can see is a circular cap of the sphere with you at its center -- not unlike the situation of someone standing at the center of a flat, disk-shaped earth. Again, from an elevated viewpoint such as the top of your cliff, you will see that the horizon -- the edge of the cap -- is actually a circle.

• Michael--------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.michael-hussmann.de

 

[ianR]

Thank you Michael, that's more or less what I thought.
Regarding the assymetrical bit, this is what I was thinking.
The size of the circle you are looking at depends on how far you can see.

If for some reason you could see further on one side of than the other the circle would be bigger and so it would appear to curve more. If for example, it was clear looking one way and hazy or cloudy the other way.
The reason I just accepted JP's statement is because I've seen it too!!
Skitch's idea is really interesting though.

On the other hand, maybe the cliff itself just wasn't flat? That would change your perspective wouldn't it?
regards
Ian

I had a strange experience these last days. As some of you may
know, I am for now in exile in a little house on a cliff above a
lovely beach in south Brittany, with noone around in this season.
So, my only photographic subject is the sea of course. The sea and
its horizon. When I first look to my pictures taken from the cliff
I was surprised to see a very curved horizon.

I'm not sure about the asymmetrical curvature, but apart from that,
this isn't very unusual. Suppose for a moment that the world was
indeed flat. More precisely, that it had the shape of a disk, and
you were standing at its center. The horizon (i.e. the edge of the
disk) would appear to be a straight line as long as you were
standing directly on the disk, but from a more elevated vantage
point, you could see that the horizon was actually a circle.

Now the world is actually a sphere, and regardless of where you are
standing on that sphere's surface, all you can see is a circular
cap of the sphere with you at its center -- not unlike the
situation of someone standing at the center of a flat, disk-shaped
earth. Again, from an elevated viewpoint such as the top of your
cliff, you will see that the horizon -- the edge of the cap -- is
actually a circle.

• Michael

--
-------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.michael-hussmann.de

 

[bluh]

If I remember right, were the Earth a perfect sphere, the distance you can see from typical human height is about 5 kilometers to the horizon (calm sea/flat shore does well).
To figure out distance seen from other heights I found this:
http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/distance.htm

Regardless, seems that barrel distortion is pretty bad on the Fuji's from what DPreview tells. I would also hope the S602 (F601, S2) have been improved regarding lens design.--Farewell, Bob H.

 

[ianR]

Interesting Bob (it's an oblate sphere but let's forget that)
The lens is exactly the same.

I think you'll notice barrel distortion at the extreme, but it isn't noticeable at all in everyday use. The E10 for example has much worse distortion if my recollection serves me correctly.

It's a big zoom, it's going to be a bit less than good in a couple of places for sure. It's a great lens in many ways and if you get a problem with barrel distortion it's easy to fix.
regards
Ian

If I remember right, were the Earth a perfect sphere, the distance
you can see from typical human height is about 5 kilometers to the
horizon (calm sea/flat shore does well).
To figure out distance seen from other heights I found this:
http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/distance.htm
Regardless, seems that barrel distortion is pretty bad on the
Fuji's from what DPreview tells. I would also hope the S602 (F601,
S2) have been improved regarding lens design.
--
Farewell, Bob H.

 

[tony gilmour]

Jean Paul it just bares out my argument that the world is not round as has been the thoughts from the middle ages....hmm.....heres one for you, and it makes sense to me.

You are at the top of the world where the radius of the earth is smaller and obviously not perfectly symmetrical.

If you were on the equator the curve on the horizon would be less because of the larger radius ...and because of the larger radius any difference in shape would not be as noticeable. ..............does that make sense? .......................needless to say I will head for the horizon in my boat, where i expect to fall off the edge of the earth !

I had a strange experience these last days. As some of you may
know, I am for now in exile in a little house on a cliff above a
lovely beach in south Brittany, with noone around in this season.
So, my only photographic subject is the sea of course. The sea and
its horizon. When I first look to my pictures taken from the cliff
I was surprised to see a very curved horizon. I did not remember
the barrel distortion of my 6900 was so strong. What a
disapointment, I thought, my lens becomes worst and worst with the
time. Looking more closely to these pictures and the many others I
took after, I discovered another subject of worry. The barrel
distortion was not symmetrical: it showed an horizon significantly
more curved on the left than on the right. Oh Boy, I thought (in
French), I have really to send back my 6900 for a repair of its
lens, I cannot wait any longer!

Well, some days ago I went with my blue-skirt camel (to not be
confused with the one with a red skirt who went back to Montreal
for a serie of nude pictures with Ron H.) for a long walk along the
cliff and for once I did not take my Fuji with me. So, may be for
the first time, I have been looking to the horizon directly, not
through this terrible little EVF of the 6900 (I hope so much the
602 will provide a really better one!). And, after some time, I
stopped mesmerized. The horizon on the sea was very curved. I know
of course the earth is round and the horizon appears slightly
curved when it is far. But, there, it was really very curved, just
like on my pictures. And not only was it curved, but also more
curved on the left than on the right: i.e., facing the sea, on my
left (Souht-East) the line of horizon was much lower than on my
right (North-West)! Exactly like in my pictures. I have no
explanation for this optical phenomenon, there is certainly a
simple physicall one, but when I came back home I apologized to my
Fuji. The strange deformation on its pictures were not due to a
barrel distortion (moreover an asymmetrical one), but were just
showing a strange optical distortion of the world as could be seen
from my cliff by a naive eye. My Fuji helped me to see a reality
that my brain was uncounsciously correcting and did not let me see
before.

It is not the first time that photography helps me to see directly
what the brain tends to correct and hide. But this time I am really
impressed: I have been coming several times a year to this siteof
Brittany for 30 years, have looked thousands of time the sea form
the cliff, and until now I had never noticed how much the horizon
was curved and that this curvature was quite asymmetrical.

People, before throwing away your lenses and the camera that come
with them if they show strange aberratioss, be sure it is not your
brain that hides to you these distortions that may in fact be quite
real.

DOes someone else had a similar experience?

SDFJP

PS: I still cannot upload any new pictures because of my slow
connection. In 3 weeks I'll be back in San Francsico and will
upload some of the pictures I am speaking of.
--
SFJP
http://www.pbase.com/sfjp

 

[Dirk S.]

Hello to all,

I don't want this "non camera" discussion will become a "hype".

But when SFJP would like to give us a proof, he can :

1 ) make a picture with the horizon under and above the middle of the lens view. Then he sill be sure it is "barrel" or world" distorsion. In the last case the earth will be round but not concave...

2) When he want to have a proof that he don't have to visit his optician he shoul ask an old, experienced, fishermen who knows the local waters. This man can tell him exactly where and when there will be assimetry on the horizon. He also will tell why.

3) Don't try to peruade me that the earth is flat.

4 ) When the earth IS flat : I'm eagerly waiting to know why.

Kind regards

Skitch

--Skitch http://www.digitalfriends.cc

 

[Dirk S.]

Jean Paul it just bares out my argument that the world is not round
as has been the thoughts from the middle ages....hmm.....heres one
for you, and it makes sense to me.
You are at the top of the world where the radius of the earth is
smaller and obviously not perfectly symmetrical.
If you were on the equator the curve on the horizon would be less
because of the larger radius ...and because of the larger radius
any difference in shape would not be as noticeable.
..............does that make sense? .......................needless
to say I will head for the horizon in my boat, where i expect to
fall off the edge of the earth !

Hello Eric,

Did you already thougt about it : when the earths horizon had to be convexe you will not be "down under" for us, but we all had to look with heads up to see you.

(just a joke)

Kind regards

Skitch--Skitch http://www.digitalfriends.cc

 

[SFJP]

Hello all of you,

Thank you for all your replies.

Some facts. First, I did not drink 602 bottles of wine before seing the earth leaning on my left (in fact south-east): here in Brittany I drink only cider! I saw this distortion from several viewpoints on the cliff and on the beach, some flat, some not, so this is not related to some leaning of the ground itself I was standing on. The explanation given by Aspherix is interesting. By the way Skitch, my place is not far from the Glenan (the Glenan is on ly righ (west, north-west) when looking to the sea). The only other explanation I can think of is not a problem in my eyes but in my internal ear, but in this case my Fuji lens would hve the same which is not very likely.

Nevertheless, I see that noone yet reported a similar experience, i.e. discovering in its pictures something that his/her eyes could have seen but not his/her brain, but that was captured by the camera and discovered on the pictures. For me, I can report other similar experiences. For instance, taking recently self-portraits in a mirror that the pictures revealed I had become quite fat since I moved to the US, what my wife told me for long but that I was never recording when looking directly at me in the same mirror. Or taking pictures of my wife, that on theses pictures, she has wonderful legs, which I have known for more than 30 years but did not see directly with such an obviousness thses last years. Or again, this frozen leaf in an alley of the park of Versailles I shot a winter many years ago with my Mamya c330, and of which picture revealed to me the mysterious beauty of the texture of a frozen leaf. Etc, etc. Friends, use an instamatic, an Hasselblad with a 16 mp digital back, a Fuji 6900 or even (this is an extreme) a Sony 707, but take pictures, take pictures and learn through that to see the reality and its beauties.

SDFJP--SFJPwww.pbase.com/sfjp

 

[tony gilmour]

Your glasses would make everything curve, however has anyone measured the circumference of the earth from pole to pole ? is it more or less than at the equator ?

Which leads me to this ...................... A reported intelligent person was interviewed regarding the establishment of a launch facility on the Cape York peninsula, and to a question from a journalist as to why the Cape York Peninsula, his reply was.....................Cape York is closer to the equator than Cape Canaveral and therefore closer to outer space........so less rocket fuel would be used to launch a vehicle into outer space.................needless to say it never got off the ground........and this gentleman is believed to be somewhere in the outback chasing camels.

Hello all of you,

Thank you for all your replies.

Some facts. First, I did not drink 602 bottles of wine before seing
the earth leaning on my left (in fact south-east): here in
Brittany I drink only cider! I saw this distortion from several
viewpoints on the cliff and on the beach, some flat, some not, so
this is not related to some leaning of the ground itself I was
standing on. The explanation given by Aspherix is interesting. By
the way Skitch, my place is not far from the Glenan (the Glenan is
on ly righ (west, north-west) when looking to the sea). The only
other explanation I can think of is not a problem in my eyes but in
my internal ear, but in this case my Fuji lens would hve the same
which is not very likely.

Nevertheless, I see that noone yet reported a similar experience,
i.e. discovering in its pictures something that his/her eyes could
have seen but not his/her brain, but that was captured by the
camera and discovered on the pictures. For me, I can report other
similar experiences. For instance, taking recently self-portraits
in a mirror that the pictures revealed I had become quite fat since
I moved to the US, what my wife told me for long but that I was
never recording when looking directly at me in the same mirror. Or
taking pictures of my wife, that on theses pictures, she has
wonderful legs, which I have known for more than 30 years but did
not see directly with such an obviousness thses last years. Or
again, this frozen leaf in an alley of the park of Versailles I
shot a winter many years ago with my Mamya c330, and of which
picture revealed to me the mysterious beauty of the texture of a
frozen leaf. Etc, etc. Friends, use an instamatic, an Hasselblad
with a 16 mp digital back, a Fuji 6900 or even (this is an extreme)
a Sony 707, but take pictures, take pictures and learn through that
to see the reality and its beauties.

SDFJP
--
SFJP
http://www.pbase.com/sfjp

 

[RJNedimyer]

But none the less true. Prejudice, preconception, expectations.
The lens, in its way, lets us see the world thru different eyes.
It see what is there, not what we wish, or believe to be there.

Max

SFJP,

I've often heard that a man hears and sees what he wants to and
disregards the rest [it seems there was even a song by the Beatles
about that].

So, congrats you've again exceeded average!
--
Ray
RJNedimyer

--
Max

http://www.pbase.com/maxxxam

I think you're right, sorry.
--RayRJNedimyer