135 Zeiss is rather nice

Superb shots.

10x for sharing and have lots of fun with the Zeiss.

BTW if you have time pls post a photo from the Alpha with this Zeiss and 100% crop, it is interesting to see how it works on the 10MP sensor.
 
Probably jealous Pentax doesn't have this type of glass. Flat
background, lol. Yeah.
Might be a troll, I can't tell, but factually he is right in some things. This CZ lens looks less and less promising bokeh-wise the more I see of it; its bokeh performance is decidedly ho-hum. Not outright bad but not close to some Minolta (or Pentax, or Leica, or...) classics. Much more "Zeiss-ish" than "Minolt-ish" in performance.

The 135/1.8, to me, is a quite specialized lens at a surprisingly attractive price. A very fast medium tele that can do AF. That, and the obvious sharpness, are arguments enough for this lens -- but it's pointless giving it properties it does not have, such as good bokeh.

Magnus
 
Dear Magnus, thank you for undestanding me....!!!
The best of Rokkor, Minolta, Leica, Pentax and e.t.c. differ from this 135/1.8.
3D dimension's lenses with outstanding bokeh.

I don't want and I can't say that 135/1.8 is bad. It's nonsense.
No, it's very good lense, but it's ANOTHER.
Another optics. Another history - Sony + Zeiss.

I like 30/1.4G and STF135/2.8 (4.5), for example.
I like Rokkors and Takumars. ^))
 
I like Rokkors and Takumars. ^))
Actually one of my fav lenses is a Super Takumar -- the old and cheap 55/2 from the S1/S2 era (pre-Spotmatic!). Some of my absolute best shots were taken with this lens, it has a certain "look" and the bokeh is pretty good (but it produces pentagonal highlights because of its aperture, of course). I used it on a set of Novoflex bellows coupled to my Minolta film cameras for a long time!

I also own a SMC Takumar 500/4.5, which I haven't used as much as it probably deserves. To be frank I wasn't thrilled about its performance when I tested it, but it certainly deserves another try.
 
I don't see an argument for the 1.8 having the best bokeh? Maybe a statement from someone who likes the bokeh. And that is totally subjective. I think the 1.8 does other things better than just bokeh, so.... ? That makes argument that is isn't a very good lens, or that it is becoming less of a lens? I dont' think the strongest point of this lens was ever intended to be bokeh, that is the STF 135's job. The 1.8 Zeiss does other things better than the STF, and if you like that focal distance, they compliment each other.

They are both specialty lenses, and expensive and not for everyone. But some people like the attributes of the lens despite the price, like the quality of the pictures. And to say that it isn't a good lens is just plain ridiculous, sorry.

I happen to think that the bokeh is quite nice on the 1.8 personally :)

Carl
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'Ask not what your photo equipment can do for you, but what you can do with your photo equipment'
 
Yes you can, and the 2.0. Also the STF, you can use both tele's.

Carl
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'Ask not what your photo equipment can do for you, but what you can do with your photo equipment'
 
Hey AA, as you already know, nice work.

135 is my favorite length on a 1.5 crop camera. Have you ever used the Minolta 135 2.8? If so, how is the focus speed in comparison?

The thing I like about the Minolta is it's fairly quick and works great for candid street and arena shots. Does the 1.8 feel the same? Or more sluggish?

At 2.8 the Minolta is rather sharp so I assume the Zeiss is as well. I would like the low-light, dof, bokeh, and brighter viewfinder advantage, but do not want to give up much focus speed.

Or cash, to be honest. ;-)

Is this lens extra slow like a pose only lens? Or can it get the job done in places where you need the focus speed. I don't have the cash to purchase it as another toy, I would be repalcing a pair of 135 Minoltas.

Thanks for your thoughts.

-MM
 
But some people like the attributes of the lens despite the price,
like the quality of the pictures. And to say that it isn't a good
lens is just plain ridiculous, sorry.
But the statement which you chose to attack was bokeh-related.

"It looks like Sigma macro. Flat background, no volume, bokeh is like zoom's bokeh." He never even said it was a bad lens, just that some properties weren't as good as those of other lenses. And that's true.

"Sigma macro": maybe a little harsh, but I can totally see the point. It's a very sharp lens but some other things have obviously been ignored. There are always tradeoffs in lens designs.

"Flat background and no volume": I don't think one can really judge the "threedimensionality" from these shots, but if someone thinks so, OK. It might be possible. I have never understood this "3D-look" talk anyway, in my experience it's always related to subject and not lens properties (except perhaps bokeh). Anyway, I don't see a problem with that statement per se. It's an opinion. If someone else thinks it has a "4D-look", more power to them ;-)

"Bokeh is like zoom's bokeh": once again, this can absolutely be argued. The bokeh properties are not impressive. It's a provocative statement, but it's also true. :-) Now, there are zooms and there are zooms -- I think the bokeh of this lens is better than most zooms -- but there are even better zooms if we're talking about bokeh (take for example the 70-200/2.8 SSM).

Some Minolta lenses are simply grossly overrated in the bokeh department. I think it comes from the circular aperture and some people misunderstanding its purpose -- the circular aperture makes up for perhaps 10% of bokeh.
 
"Flat background and no volume": I don't think one can really judge
the "threedimensionality" from these shots, but if someone thinks
so, OK. It might be possible. I have never understood this
"3D-look" talk anyway, in my experience it's always related to
subject and not lens properties (except perhaps bokeh). Anyway, I
don't see a problem with that statement per se. It's an opinion. If
someone else thinks it has a "4D-look", more power to them ;-)
I can relate to the above...I don't see any real 3D like characteristics here, the bug would be as close to that of any, but it ain't even really making that much visual impact, IMO. It's a nice catch, but no special 3D properties that I can see on my three monitors. Print maybe better, but I dunno. The photos are rich enough but let's not get carried away on imaginary 3D references.

4D...That is a complete joke, from these shots, not a chance my eyes say. I agree with the above poster that you need to have the correct subject, background and subject to background distance, as well as environmental and lens properties correct, and the correct camera settings to get those eye-popping 3D/4D shots.

All I know is I would like to see some Minolta 135 2.8 comparisons myself. I have two of those and would like to find out if this thing focuses anywhere near as fast and can handle candid shots on the street and in the arena.

Bokeh, I ain't going there as I have seen a few Sigma's with ok bokeh in comparison. So who to make the dog of the bokeh race is anyone's opinion I suppose.

If anyone can shed some light here, I would be grateful.

-MM
 
135 mm*1.5=200 mm, useless distance...
Just for travel and street photos...Maybe.
Actually, this distance works well for many arena sports. I also use it for portraits indoors in large rooms/halls/arenas as well as of portraits of things around the house like cats, peeps, etc. A little standoff distance is good sometimes.

I love my cheap 135 2.8' Minoltas.
As for 135ST, this lense is much better Zeiss.
It's gem, but not for everyday use for all. And MF, and expensive.
Special one.

As for me, Zeiss is the most dull optics in the world.
I can't see any SPECIAL in Zeiss 135. It's classical. And nothing.
Ouuch!!! What man? I have seen eyepopping results from so-called Zeiss lenses even in Sony point and shoot cameras under tough conditions.

-MM
 
Might be a troll, I can't tell, but factually he is right in some
things. This CZ lens looks less and less promising bokeh-wise the
more I see of it; its bokeh performance is decidedly ho-hum. Not
outright bad but not close to some Minolta (or Pentax, or Leica,
or...) classics. Much more "Zeiss-ish" than "Minolt-ish" in
performance.
Maybe Aarif would do a couple side by side tests between the 135 and the 70-200SSM ? (p.s. more interested in the bokeh than sharpness; the SSM has great bokeh from what I've seen to date). Sort of like the Car & Driver magazine tests between exotic cars ... fun reading even though most of us aren't considering such a choice :)

Regarding the 135/2.8 that HK/MM/DN mentions ... that's a nice little pocket lens with quick AF, but sharpness leaves a little to be desired (for a prime) ... perfectly usable wide open, but on FF, we had the astounding 200G; on APS-C, the 135 is a step down. Still, a nice little (emphasis on little !) lens to carry around for a fast, short tele. Also, no bokeh champ.
  • Dennis
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The Sony 1.4 teleconverter documentation says it will fit only the
70-200G, 300G, and the 135STF. It says it does not fit any other
lenses.
However, it will also fit all previous Minolta G lenses is something isn't seriously screwed up, so the list is obviously not complete ;-)
 
Hi all,

No I haven’t used the 135 2.8 so I can’t do a comparison , what A think it’s a very sharp lens the sharpest I have even wide open its sharp not the fastest and the reason is its minimum focus distance is quite short for a 135 , bokah is very good but will not beat the SSM.

Personally I love the lens and I’m glad I bought it :)

Some more examples

1/1250s f/2.5 at 135.0mm iso200
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1/2500s f/1.7 at 135.0mm iso100
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1/2500s f/4.0 at 135.0mm iso200
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1/250s f/4.0 at 135.0mm iso100
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1/1250s f/3.2 at 135.0mm iso100
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1/2000s f/1.7 at 135.0mm iso200
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1/30s f/2.0 at 135.0mm iso400
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You're welcome to visit my favorite Gallery
http://www.pbase.com/aarif/favorites
 
Personally I love the lens and I’m glad I bought it :)
Great shots! I'd love to own this lens actually, look, now you've made me want yet another lens! ;-) Could you please post less good pictures next time? ;-)
 
Regarding the 135/2.8 that HK/MM/DN mentions ... that's a nice
little pocket lens with quick AF, but sharpness leaves a little to
be desired (for a prime) ... perfectly usable wide open, but on FF,
we had the astounding 200G; on APS-C, the 135 is a step down.
Still, a nice little (emphasis on little !) lens to carry around
for a fast, short tele. Also, no bokeh champ.
I prefer the input of many users and the 135 2.8 stands up well against many Minolta primes according to the users. Sharpness is certainly not anywhere close to being not very sharp. At this range it's about as sharp as it gets. Matter-o-fact these 271 users show the performances I list below.

http://www.photozone.de/active/survey/querylenstxt.jsp?filter=%22brand= 'Minolta%20AF'%20OR%20brand='Sigma%20AF'%20OR%20brand='Tamron%20AF'%20or%20brand='Tokina%20AF'%20or%20brand='Vivitar%20AF'%22

If the link don't work go here:

http://www.photozone.de/8Reviews/index.html

Optical Verdict/ Number of User Inputs

Minolta 20 2.8 3.78 14
Minolta 24 2.8 3.95 20
Minolta 28 2.0 3.96 22
Minolta 35G 1.4G 4.38 18
Minolta 50 1.7 3.93 122
Minolta 50mm 1.4 4.11 50
Minolta 135 2.8 4.32 25

This was on full frame! On the crop camera the lens is sharpity SHARP. Absolutely the sharpest lens I have tried on the 5D and I have tried about 27 of them. All except the most expensive glass.

Most of the mightier stuff only scores 4.4-4.6 so a 4.32 is outstanding. Junks scores 1's and 2's optical verdict with the real world input you get over here.

I have never seen a problem with the bokeh and 200mm is many times too long for shooting arena sports from the box with a 1.5 crop. The 135 can even be used in tight spaces and still stays tack sharp.

The lens is almost too sharp for portarits and thing stays sharp even at high ISO's.

I don't care what photodo or whatever says, they say a lot about stuff that does not make much sense in the real world with that single test. My experience and the users at photodo say this lens is way more than sharp enough, I love mine,they are just old and I worry about replacement one day.

-MM
 

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