K10D sharpness issue!

[IrfanShariff]

We normally shoot JPEG's and not RAW, so if the sharpness is bad in JPEG what makes K10D a better one, apart from ergononmics, SR and other features the final output should(picture) should be good right?

 

[Pete Dee]

We normally shoot JPEG's and not RAW, so if the sharpness is bad in
JPEG what makes K10D a better one, apart from ergononmics, SR and
other features the final output should(picture) should be good
right?

Who told you that the K10D has a sharpness issue? Read the manual and it will tell you that if you want to print straight from the camera then set the camera to "Bright" mode (page 120), if you want really sharp then set sharpness to +2 (page 121). Easy if you read the manual. While you are at it make sure you read a bit about SR, it will not work so well at short distances (page 69), turn it off or move back a bit for best results.

And please remember to use good photographic technique for best results. When in doubt please come back here and ask, we might tell you to read the manual but we will tell you what page.

Cheers.

Pete

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[John Bean (UK)]

We normally shoot JPEG's and not RAW, so if the sharpness is bad in
JPEG what makes K10D a better one, apart from ergononmics, SR and
other features the final output should(picture) should be good
right?

"So, when did you stop beating your wife?" is the archetype of a technique demonstrated in your "question".

Your "question" isn't a question at all. You've already decided the JPEG image quality is bad and the rest is unanswerable rhetoric.

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[Brett St Pierre]

We normally shoot JPEG's and not RAW, so if the sharpness is bad in
JPEG what makes K10D a better one, apart from ergononmics, SR and
other features the final output should(picture) should be good
right?

The only reviewer I am aware of who thinks that K10D image sharpness/detail in default JPEG (without using Bright or sharpening) isn't up to other 10mp models is Phil Askey of this site and he says that is indistinguishable difference up to A3 prints.

Are you printing larger than A3? If so, then consider adjusting default JPEG settings but I bet if you are printing that big then you would be a RAW shooter anyway...

The other features/benefits are stuff that many users like but that is a personal thing so you need to make your decisions on that....

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[DS_Dave]

We normally shoot JPEG's and not RAW

Who is "we"? Certainly not me...

so if the sharpness is bad in
JPEG what makes K10D a better one,

better than what? The features you list below make the K10D a good camera.

apart from ergononmics, SR and
other features the final output should(picture) should be good
right?

Dave

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[IrfanShariff]

Guys before telling anything just check the full review of K10D in this site itself and compare the samples with other 10MP camrera and especially read the conclusion-cons it clearly states my point.

 

[LuzArt]

Buy a hammer, a box of nails and some long planks of forby two.

Then build a bridge, and get over it.

Ben
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[dreamstudio]

Sharpness problem, mmm I think not. I have actually taken pictures in normal mode jpeg and raw then come back and tried sharpening them.. didnt like it as much. I LOVE the fact i can add a little sharpness WHEN needed and retain the sily look at other times.

In my mind the quality of the photos coupled with SR means you can take fantastic pictures with it, although like all DSLR its the person behind the camera who makes the difference

 

[Manel Kirchner]

We normally shoot JPEG's and not RAW, so if the sharpness is bad in
JPEG what makes K10D a better one, apart from ergononmics, SR and
other features the final output should(picture) should be good
right?

the answer is very easy, You don't buy a 10 Mg pix camera to shoot JPGE simply beacuse it wouldn't make sense. To make small-medium sized copies you shot 4Mg or 6 Mg and that 'd be fine, even better than 10 Mg and much easier and quicker to handle and modify with you computer.

The Pentax K10 is aimed to advanced amateur or semi-pros, or even pros, people who enjoy or need a serious basis on which to work on in afetrrwards.

Current default settings in many DSLR "pro" cameras are aimed to impress people at first sight due to their artificial 2D styled JPGE sharpness. Any of the kit lenses in the market can't possibly get this sharpeness by themselves. It's just a fake one, You can always undo that but the damage for the original is worse than do it the other way round . That's in my view why Pentax has taken a different approach

 

[bluwing]

Hi,

The review on this site is just one persons opinion, just like yours. If you believe what this reviewer says and only this review without trying the camera then DON"T BUY IT!!!

Maybe you should just stay with a P&S camera that does what you want.

bluwing
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[Peter Zentjens]

We normally shoot JPEG's and not RAW, so if the sharpness is bad in
JPEG what makes K10D a better one, apart from ergononmics, SR and
other features the final output should(picture) should be good
right?

The review here instilled the same doubts in me. The guys and girls from this forum here removed them again (thanks a 1000x over!).

Now I have the K10D and have been playing a little with it and I'm very happy with the JPEG results. I only tested it so far in the default setting.

Then again I actually like to do some PP and I love the fact that this camera leaves me in control, but in general I don't need to do very much PP at all. I had to seriously reduce the amount of sharpening I'm used to use but I still can add a little sharpening if I want to, even to the jpegs!

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[lol101]

We normally shoot JPEG's and not RAW, so if the sharpness is bad in
JPEG what makes K10D a better one, apart from ergononmics, SR and
other features the final output should(picture) should be good
right?

Right!

Without post-processing, the jpeg output in natural mode is said (by Phil) to be good enough for A3 prints...

If you need to print eve bigger, you can:

a/ post process a bit the natural mode
b/take the camera in bright mode
c/ use raw

What was exactly your point?

 

[K1000Photographer]

I actually took some pictures with a K10D and the photos were sharp. One can always turn sharpness up or add a touch later. The fact that some cameras have a higher standard amount of sharpenning is not an issue. The user has the ability to turn it up or down as they wish. I will say the K10D and other Pentax DSLR's do produce a more natural look that can not be reproduced in some of the other DSLR's.

 

[sandbag]

Lack of sharpness as noted in the K10D review on this site would be an issue if:

1. You shoot only at the K10D's default settings (choosing not to modify those settings in camera to achieve more jpeg sharpness);

and

2. You shoot only jpeg (choosing to forego the considerable post-processing flexibility offered by raw format -- especially valuable when you print large photos);

and

3. You choose not to sharpen in post-processing (though it's become a comparatively straightforward and easily controlled operation in various kinds of affordable software -- Photoshop Elements, now up to Ver. 5, comes immediately to mind, and there are others);

and

4. You then print those default-setting, jpeg-only, no-sharpening-applied images on A3 paper -- approx 11 x 17 inches.

If steps 1,2,3, and 4 describe how you'll plan to use the camera, then you should be concerned, and there are probably better dslr choices out there for you than the K10D.

Incidentally, there is absolutely nothing "wrong" with this approach, and I'm not being facetious. Some hobby photographers (and I, too, am a rank amateur hobbyist) do exactly that, and I've seen excellent photos taken and processed and printed in that way.

 

[tapir]

We normally shoot JPEG's and not RAW, so if the sharpness is bad in
JPEG what makes K10D a better one, apart from ergononmics, SR and
other features the final output should(picture) should be good
right?

If you personally (not because how you intrepret what Phil told you) consider K10D JPEG sharpness "bad" for your personal usage (no RAW and no PP), size of prints (bigger than A3) and IQ criteria then nothing makes K10D "a better one" except things that you listed above.

Huge problem with how Phil worded review is that people like you even can't read what he said but nonesless draw simplistic and strong sounding conclusions. Phil never ever said that sharpness is "bad". What he showed is that on default settings and without any PP and when viewed as a 100% crop (equivalent to several feet poster print) K10D JPEGs have less edge sharpness (but more than enough of texture definition) than competing models. He also mentioned that at most you'll see a difference at an A3+ plus print (again if you don't PP). It's up to you to decide how really bad is all this.

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[Umbra]

Sorry tell you that .. but K10D is ok as far as Sharpness is concerned..

Here are a few shots for you .. pics are the best example to show you what you call a "sharpness issue", so that you can figure out there is no prob with Sharpness





Even in real difficult conditions ( concert pics with lot of changing lights effetcs).Please also notice, that speeds are really low .. and it does not help at all to get sharp images... but ...these are sharp enough .. aren't they ? so .. where is your problem ?

Guys before telling anything just check the full review of K10D in
this site itself and compare the samples with other 10MP camrera
and especially read the conclusion-cons it clearly states my point.

 

[ASR45]

I love your cat images what settings did you use regards Alan.

 

[Umbra]

Hi ASR45,

Default settings, but sharpness was +2 stops. Not that much PP with Photoshop CS.

Image ton is natural .. i don't use Bright mode.

I love your cat images what settings did you use regards Alan.

 

[Roland Mabo]

• There is absolutely no sharpness issue with the K10D *

The K10D has two working modes for image quality for the JPEG's:

1. Natural image tone (default setting)
This mode is best suited for post processing of images.

2. Bright image tone

This mode is best suited when you don't want to post-process the images. Here the camera boost sharpness, contrast and saturation.

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[magicone]

First off, with the firmware update, there was some sort of change to the High JPG output. I am having a difficult time understanding your concern and reasoning tough. First off, this is only noticeable with A3 prints and above, at least according to Phil. Do you really plan on shooting A3 size prints and then observing them under a magnifying glass? If you do, you will see more texture with the Pentax than the others, so you will have more to look at.

Secondly, Phil does not mention his output device. This is very improtant. Half-tone devices like inkjet printers create a continous tone-like effect by dithering their ink droplets. This type of device will print highly sharpened images better that a true continous tone device like a photo lab might use. A 403 dpi continous tone printer will print better and sharper in many cases than a 4800 dpi half tone device like an inkjet. Pentax'es approach, much like F*ji's is to favor the continous tone devices.

Lastly, back to reasoning. I truely don't understand your question. If quality is so important to you, why on earth would you use JPG mode on any camera? Think of this, you shoot a picture, the camera adjusts the exposure to what it thinks is right, captures you image, calculates what it thinks is the necessary information based on the settings you made (white balance etc), throws out all other "unnecessary Information", applies sharpening and other "manfuracter tweaks" and writes all the leftover info to your memory card all within 1/3 of a second.

If you really want the best, aren't you being awfully lazy? My very expensive computer loaded with my even more expensive software with me at the controls will ALWAYS make better decisions than my little camera can in its 1/3 of a second window! Think about it.