Need help for choosing the right monitor.

[Han S]

Hi everyone,

I need your help to choose the right montor. I am looking for a monitor for 2D and fotograghic use. I am not a gamer. I want to buy one of these monitors:
EIZO 19" S1921, PVA panel, 178-178 viewing angle, 7-20ms
Dell 20" UltraSharp 2007WFP, S-IPS panel, 176-176 viewing angle, 16ms
LG 20" L2000C-SF, S-IPS panel, 178-178 viewing angle, 8ms
What is your opinion? Does anyone has one of these monitors? Thanks.

 

[flaviu]

I am waiting for my dell 2007WFP, for the same use (photo, soft proofing for print).
I will report my opinion here after I receive it and I test it.
I am also interested in the opinions of other people.

 

[Dirtyharry71]

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[NewsyL]

Dell 20" UltraSharp 2007WFP, S-IPS panel, 176-176 viewing angle, 16ms
LG 20" L2000C-SF, S-IPS panel, 178-178 viewing angle, 8ms
What is your opinion? Does anyone has one of these monitors? Thanks.

You may want to re-check the Dell - most people taking delivery since last fall claim they received a S-PVA panel and NOT S-IPS. You can search this forum for "Dell Lottery" which will provide more info.

The LG monitor uses the same S-IPS panel as the HP LP2065 that many people here are quite pleased with. However, there are some reports of significant banding in the gray scale with the LG. I can source it for almost $100 CAD less than the HP however and $600!!! less than the NEC.

BenQ FP2092 has a 20 inch 12 ms S-IPS (LG.Philips LM201U05) panel.

HP LP2065 has a 20 inch 8 ms (g2g) S-IPS (LG.Philips LM201U05) panel.

LG L2000C has a 20 inch 8 ms (g2g) S-IPS (LG.Philips LM201U05) panel.

NEC LCD2090UXi has a 20 inch 16 ms S-IPS (LG.Philips LM201U05) panel.

NEC LCD2090UXi-BK has a 20 inch 16 ms S-IPS (LG.Philips LM201U05) panel.

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[jamn]

as Newsy stated the Dell appears to no longer use the s-ips panel. In this review it is stated that of the Dell, NEC, and Benq(?) monitors reviewed, only the NEC uses a s-ips panel, but I have not seen any information on which one. The NEC model is 20WGX2 - $600 at Best Buy.

I was interested in the Dell until the above revelation. The NEC 20WGX2 looks like it could be a nice monitor but would be paying for some video features and tv tuner that I would not use. Also, the NEC has a glossy finish on the glass so reflection could (would?) be a problem. I would like to hear more about the glossy finish / reflection issue because the NEC looks good in every other respect. Would the glossy finish be deal breaker?
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1945223,00.asp

HTH,
Jay

 

[abcdelight]

I love the glossy finish myself. I always felt like I was looking through a fine coating of dust with matte anti-glare panels. When I first put some S3 pics up I was taken aback by how it could seem like looking through a window. I can see why NEC calls it "Opticlear". I'll never go back to a matte finsih if I can help it. Of course I was used to CRT anyway and this doesnt seem much more reflective. I just don't keep a light behind me or put monitor next to bright window.

Concerning the Dell 2007WFP - people in lottery thread at Hardforum have been getting mosty S-IPS now. In fact I haven't seen one person with S-PVA in a few weeks. But now more people are discovering an issue with flickering but it seems to happen more on tests that in any application. If you have one you can try this pic and see what happens:

http://img224.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flickering4uj.gif

If money is tight then the Dell is worth a chance at the mo. I just think they are "downbuiilt" and had too many QC issues. But for $350 the only other things to get is Samsungy S-PVA and thats not too exciting either imo. The NEC has been coming down in price latley and 550 without being on sale can be found.

Don't think the NEC is more expensive because of the TV tuner etc. That's one freaky thing about this is that most people who have it would pay same or more even if it didnt have tuner. Its like a bonus or something and you can think you underpaid. I can't believe I got this for 550 and not 700 or 1000. Plus - the remote is great for making calibrations in menu. No fiddling with tiny bezel buttons.

After I adjusted my Dell a few times I resisted using those nasty buttons. With remote I make adjustments on the fly all the time and its a snap. But if no TV tuner then there is probably no remote. NEC must have been trying to make a bang-up multimedia monitor and added on all sorts of things. Unfortunately some people get impression some extras are gimmicks thrown on that just raise cost. Take all the extra stuff away and the NEC is still most wicked monitor. I think it's just one of those rare things where through some odd circumstances you end-up feeling getting more than you paid for.

 

[abcdelight]

The link didnt work as is - if you want just right click properties and cut/paste url and it comes up. You can also check out this thread:

"2007wfp owners! Flicker? "

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1145948&highlight=2007wfp+flicker

 

[jamn]

Thanks for the detailed reply - appreciate all the input.

I love the glossy finish myself. I always felt like I was looking
through a fine coating of dust with matte anti-glare panels. When I
first put some S3 pics up I was taken aback by how it could seem
like looking through a window. I can see why NEC calls it
"Opticlear". I'll never go back to a matte finsih if I can help it.
Of course I was used to CRT anyway and this doesnt seem much more
reflective. I just don't keep a light behind me or put monitor next
to bright window.

A couple of questions - do you print many photos? If so, how do they match what the monitor indicates you are going to be printing? I print with an R800 - it took me a while to get a good match with the monitor. My matching problems were mostly brightness related - not color. As for the Opticlear - that might present a problem for me - Although I could turn off the overhead flourescent lights and even block a couple of windows if need be, I would be very dissapointed if I had to turn off the lights in a large aquarium. The aquarium is about 11 feet from the monitor and parallel to it (if that makes sense). When I take photos of the aquarium it needs to be at night with the monitor off to avoid reflections. I do share the office with my wife and it would just be better to be able to work with the overhead lights on. I suppose I could pull the flourescent tubes from the fixture on my side of the room and see of that works. Sorry if rambling - really want the NEC to work, but concerned about the gloss.

Concerning the Dell 2007WFP - people in lottery thread at Hardforum
have been getting mosty S-IPS now. In fact I haven't seen one
person with S-PVA in a few weeks. But now more people are
discovering an issue with flickering but it seems to happen more on
tests that in any application. If you have one you can try this pic
and see what happens:

http://img224.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flickering4uj.gif

If money is tight then the Dell is worth a chance at the mo. I just
think they are "downbuiilt" and had too many QC issues. But for
$350 the only other things to get is Samsungy S-PVA and thats not
too exciting either imo. The NEC has been coming down in price
latley and 550 without being on sale can be found.

I have written the Dell off after reading more about how people are treated by Dell if they get a bad product. Started out looking for a local supplier and still would like go that path - the NEC is available at local Best Buy. I feel OK about BB and being able to exchange if I get a bad unit. I'm OK with the price of the NEC, just can't justify, for my use, the over 1K that some of the higher end units cost.

Don't think the NEC is more expensive because of the TV tuner etc.
That's one freaky thing about this is that most people who have it
would pay same or more even if it didnt have tuner. Its like a
bonus or something and you can think you underpaid. I can't believe
I got this for 550 and not 700 or 1000. Plus - the remote is great
for making calibrations in menu. No fiddling with tiny bezel
buttons.

Good points, thanks.

After I adjusted my Dell a few times I resisted using those nasty
buttons. With remote I make adjustments on the fly all the time and
its a snap. But if no TV tuner then there is probably no remote.
NEC must have been trying to make a bang-up multimedia monitor and
added on all sorts of things. Unfortunately some people get
impression some extras are gimmicks thrown on that just raise cost.
Take all the extra stuff away and the NEC is still most wicked
monitor. I think it's just one of those rare things where through
some odd circumstances you end-up feeling getting more than you
paid for.

more good points. So you had the Dell and now have the NEC? Thanks for taking the time to respond. I am curious about your experiences with print matching.

Thanks,
Jay

 

[abcdelight]

Printing - ugh - I despise it sorry to say. I lost interest in printing with film, and ended-up only taking slides. After digital I had an Epson printer and it was always empty and clogged even after light use. Now I have a Canon photo printer but rarely use it for photos. I restore historic buildings mostly and don't need prints for much. If I have to share I would rather burn a disc.

I had the Dell but not the S-IPS. I bought the 2007WFP and as soon as I fired it up it looked awful to me (stuck pixels didnt help). I went to forums to make a WTF post and ran into "Lottery Threads" and new right away I had the S-PVA. Sent it back for pixel probs and got second S-PVA. After many calls to Dell and a notebook page full of case numbers I finally got Dell to take monitors back (I had 2 because they forgot to send shipping label on first exchange). I bought monitor on Nov 17. I sent both back Dec. 15. I still haven't gotten money back.

But it was worth it to get NEC instead. I have nothing against Dell. I don't think they are "bad". The 2007 was a good deal in some ways. They are just stumbling now and caught in a "cycle of demise" as the consultants say.

With gloss - I don't think overhead light would be a problem. I find a window in rear or close to the side to be worst element. If someone had toi use this in an office next to a window I could see they might need a shroud like I see on some Eizo's. But as I said I am used to being on CRT for long time and I don't find the Opticlear much more of a distraction than CRT or TV could be. I find matte more of distraction.

I think once people who might be used to the $300 Samsung from Circuit City actually saw a decent photo on NEC they wouldn't want to go back to matte in many cases.

 

[jamn]

this thread. Y our feedback on this is helpful. The only possible drawback to the NEC is the gloss finish, and that sure doesn't seem to bother you - so I will keep looking into the monitor. Will keep ypu posted on how this develops.

Jay

 

[jamn]

With the NEC's remote can you adjust brightness and contrast? If so, can the brightness be reduced to levels comparable to a CRT? That is my biggest concern regarding printing from LCD - when the monitor is overly bright adjustments are made to the photo that result in a to dark print. Supposedly the S-IPS or AS-IPS panel of the NEC 20WMGX2 will not have that problem.

Jay

 

[abcdelight]

yes the remote does brightness, contrast, sharpness, colors, mode, varied connectors etc. I wouldn't know how to answer question about brightness adjustment in relation to CRT. My CRT was just a Gateway that I jiggered by eye. Never even did an Adobe profile on it.

 

[Han S]

Hi,
Now I found two monitors which also fit my budget.
Samsung Syncmaster 21" 215TW, A-SI panel, 178-178 kijkhoek, 8ms
NEC MultiSync 19"LCD1990SXi, S-IPS panel, 178-178 kijkhoek, 9ms
How about EIZO 19" S1921? No one talk about this monitor. I prefer EIZO and NEC.

 

[reid thaler]

What is the difference between S-PVA and S-IPS?

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[Kent C]

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/content/panel_technologies_content.htm

http://lcdresource.com/tools/matrix-of-all-matrices.htm

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[flaviu]

I just got my Dell 2007WFPb, from Dell France.

The service menu says "RT803" - wich means S-IPS, according to some forums.
It is also "maufactured in the Czech Republic".

Just now I am very happy with it, the pictures look very pleasing on this screen.

I did't have the time yet to test the soft proof for printing on an Epson R800...