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I have grumbled some about the one thing I really don't like about the otherwise wonderful K10D - after ten years experience using the really excellent and soft Canon shutter release with its very clear, soft, easy-to-use half-press system.

I find the half-press on the K10D quite hard to use - much too little feel, too hair-trigger; I find myself jarring the camera when using it with very slow shutter speeds; the SR is unable to cover this adequately.

So - in case anybody else has the same problem - here is the solution which (I am happy to say) works fine for me, and is easy to do.

Just focus with your thumb on the AF button. HOLD THE AF BUTTON DOWN. Now the camera will NOT try to refocus when the shutter release is used to fire the shutter. As a result you do not need to worry about feeling the half press but just press gently down steadily until the camera actually fires.

Note that when shooting in real life I am invariably trying to catch expressions without flash and usually in poor light - 1/15 second at f4.5 with the 50-200 is not unusual. I invariably use multiple exposures with an average shot being 3 to 5 images - partly because (a) expressions change rapidly (b) at 1/15 second I am going to lose a lot of shots to subject motion anyway.

I am delighted to find the K10D runs (at 1/15 sec f4.5 at 200 mm with the 50-200) between 4 and 7 pixels out of focus according to Focus Magic. Even 7 pixels out cleans up with Focus Magic to give an excellent wall print with about half-crop to a 13x19 end print.

I am delighted to say this is the same (or slightly better) performance as I was getting with Canon Stabilized zooms; so the K10D is now (for me) the equal of the Canon in this (again - to me ) CRITICAL area.

In all other areas the K10D is (again - for me) FAR superior to the Canon system so I am now entirely happy with the change-over.

If you happen to be a Canon potential convert to the K10D - the reasons I find it so superior are these: First, the real glass prism. Second, because of the old-fashioned motor-in-camera focusing the lens/camera total weight is MUCH lighter and therefor easier to hand-hold steady (even with the lightest Canon body, the 400 ti, an f2.8 L zoom 70-200 combo weighs a TON more than the similar Pentax with the heavier K10D body).

Next there is NO Canon equivalent of a STABILIZED f 1.8 high quality prime such as the LTDs. Next - again because the focus motor and stabilization are in-camera, good lenses are MUCH MUCH cheaper than Canon. Next there are a raft of excellent features peculiar ONLY to the K10D which I enjoy. (Of course I know some of these items like a real Pentaprism ARE available with the Canon - at a VERY much higher price - but many - like stabilized primes and easy mirror lift - are NOT available from Canon at ANY price).

So I am very very pleased there WAS an easy solution to the problem.

Incidentally it is VERY important that the focus REMAINS locked while you hold down the AF button; this means the camera does not waste time - and have that split-second to "shake" while trying to refocus with each exposure. I have also locked the exposure to the focus point, so it will neither refocus nor reset exposure under these conditions (both of which are undesirable for what I am doing).

Good for Pentax.

PS for those who are fixated on Phils criticism of soft JPGs - my own workflow calls for minimal incamera processing with postprocessing of all images I use. Using PhotoKit sharpener with its almost infinite flexibility I have no problem with sharpening jpgs - and for those shots where I am content to sacrifice disk space to quality - and dont anticipate needing more than 4 or 5 burst images - I can use RAW. But I have so far had no problem whatever with jpgs...

bill wilson
 
Hi bill,

i guess the shutter is something one has to get use to... when i picked up my k10d, the shutter was second nature to me... 2 of my friends who are nikon users tried out my camera and both commented that the shutter WAS very sensitive. this came as a surprise to me since i found it just fine to perfect! when i tried using my DL again... WOW, what i difference! with my DL, i felt that the half press was so deep and it took (to my mind) double the effort to fire a shot... i prefer my k10d's hairline trigger :-)

re the AF button, ive tried this sometimes especially when my shutter speed is very low...with the AF button/shutter button combination, its like i can handhold steadier than with just pressing the shutter by itself. i guess its because im sort of 'pinching' the camera. applying pressure on both sides thereby possibly stabilizing the camera i guess... :-) hard to describe it but it works! it works so good that im actually thinking of taking all my shots with this technique... :-)

only thing stoping me is that i dont want to get used to this since i am still accustomed to half pressing then taking the shot and old habits are hard to break! hehehe!

cheers and merry xmas!!

:-)
 
Note that you don't have to hold down the AF button. If you are going to use it and not the shutter for focusing, you can turn off the shutter focus on the 3rd page of the custom menu: AF by Press Halfway set to OFF (2).

I had my DS set this way, as I wanted the metering and focusing functions separate. However, I've since set the K10D back to shutter focus - not sure which method I'll end up choosing.

I have no problems with the Pentax shutter release, but then I'm coming from the Pentax DS as my prior camera. I can understand how you can become used to one setup vs. another, as my camera before the DS was an Olympus OM. Talk about your shocking transitions...

-Mark
Just focus with your thumb on the AF button. HOLD THE AF BUTTON
DOWN. Now the camera will NOT try to refocus when the shutter
release is used to fire the shutter. As a result you do not need
to worry about feeling the half press but just press gently down
steadily until the camera actually fires.
 
I am a Canon guy that just ordered a K10D. I disagree with 2 things. I perfer in the lens focus motor. I also find a heavier camera is easier to handhold then a lighter camera. No comment on the SR yet. But I will compare my Canon 30d and 70-200 IS L (IS vs SR). Cant wait.
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Steve
 
Isn't it nice that with the Pentax K10D you will have the choice of in-body focusing right now, or with the new DA* lenses due next spring, in-lens focusing.
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Isn't it nice that with the Pentax K10D you will have the choice of
in-body focusing right now, or with the new DA* lenses due next
spring, in-lens focusing.
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since the Pentax lenses can only be used on a Pentax, and the Pentax cameras have motor in body, why are they going to an in-lens design? Unless they are putting various mounts and badges on the lens to sell them for other platforms too??
 
Isn't it nice that with the Pentax K10D you will have the choice of
in-body focusing right now, or with the new DA* lenses due next
spring, in-lens focusing.
--
since the Pentax lenses can only be used on a Pentax, and the
Pentax cameras have motor in body, why are they going to an
in-lens design?
Probably the same reason that Nikon did - for improved speed, reliability, and lower noise.
Unless they are putting various mounts and badges
on the lens to sell them for other platforms too??
Did Nikon do this? Of course not, and probably neither will Pentax.

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forgot to ask, anyone know why the sigma 17-70 costs $50 more for
the pentax mount than canon or nikon?
Economy of scale? Sigma's or your dealer's...

BTW, in Germany, it costs about the same. Foto-Erhardt prices as follows:
Nikon 281 Euros
Minolta 281
Sigma 283
Canon 289
Pentax 289

Cheers
Jens

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Hi John!
Unless they are putting various mounts and badges
on the lens to sell them for other platforms too??
Did Nikon do this? Of course not, and probably neither will Pentax.
Well, ironically, one could argue that Pentax through their partnership (or whatever you want to call it) with Tokina actually do sell their lens designs in other manufacturers' mounts, albeit with a bit of detouring. ;)

But as I am not argumentative, I'll just agree that it is unlikely that we will see a "Pentax lens in Canon mount" for sale. =)

Cheers
Jens

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'Well, 'Zooming with your feet' is usually a stupid thing as zoom rings are designed for hands.' (Me, 2006)
http://www.jensroesner.de/
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Bill - thanks for a handy little trick - I enjoy street photography and will be handy to hold selected approximate hyperfocal distance easily without lever flicks when I am waiting for a scene to resolve.

One reminder - with the shutter press you do need to 1/2 press hesitate in lousy light to allow the SR to stabilise, but at least you are not waiting for the focus to settle on a bad target in semi darkness :)

Rod
 
Well, ironically, one could argue that Pentax through their
partnership (or whatever you want to call it) with Tokina actually
do sell their lens designs in other manufacturers' mounts, albeit
with a bit of detouring. ;)
True, in a way. Incidentally - just when I think your use of English is as good as it gets you step it up another notch to the point that I'm now convinced you're really an Englishman pretending to be German :-)
But as I am not argumentative, I'll just agree that it is unlikely
that we will see a "Pentax lens in Canon mount" for sale. =)
Heh. I'm not argumentative either, honest. I just happen to disagree with most people most of the time ;-)

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RodConn wrote:
  • with the shutter press you do need to 1/2 press
hesitate in lousy light to allow the SR to stabilise, but at least
you are not waiting for the focus to settle on a bad target in semi
darkness :)
I don't think the SR settles while you're on the half press. If you had to wait for it to settle, what would be the point of having it?
 
Hi John!
True, in a way. Incidentally - just when I think your use of
English is as good as it gets you step it up another notch to the
point that I'm now convinced you're really an Englishman pretending
to be German :-)
Thanks very much (for blowing my cover) :)
You'll have to excuse this monolinguist if the following is
incorrect (I found my bottle opener some hours ago) but... Frohe
Weihnachten!
That's perfectly correct. Thanks :)

But now I am wondering, is my english or your wine the true cause for your previous compliment? ;)
In any case, I hope you enjoyed your wine!

Cheers and Happy Holidays!
Jens

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'Well, 'Zooming with your feet' is usually a stupid thing as zoom rings are designed for hands.' (Me, 2006)
http://www.jensroesner.de/
--=! Condemning proprietary batteries since 1976 !=--
 
I find the half-press on the K10D quite hard to use - much too
little feel, too hair-trigger; I find myself jarring the camera
when using it with very slow shutter speeds; the SR is unable to
cover this adequately.
Practice, practice, and practice some more. It'll be second nature to you eventually
If you happen to be a Canon potential convert to the K10D - the
reasons I find it so superior are these: First, the real glass
prism. Second, because of the old-fashioned motor-in-camera
focusing the lens/camera total weight is MUCH lighter and therefor
easier to hand-hold steady (even with the lightest Canon body, the
400 ti, an f2.8 L zoom 70-200 combo weighs a TON more than the
similar Pentax with the heavier K10D body).
Pentax is planning to release lenses with in-lens focusing motors, so this advantage may be temporary
Next there is NO Canon equivalent of a STABILIZED f 1.8 high
quality prime such as the LTDs. Next - again because the focus
motor and stabilization are in-camera, good lenses are MUCH MUCH
cheaper than Canon.
Good point
PS for those who are fixated on Phils criticism of soft JPGs - my
own workflow calls for minimal in-camera processing with
post-processing of all images I use.
Like you, I prefer to do my own d@mn sharpening thank you very much!
bill wilson
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what I wanted ! - I just couldn't find it...

No complaint about the manual, tho - one of the inherent problems with a very complex camera is FINDING things in the manual.

BTW I think the MOST complex digital camera I ever saw was the Konica-Minolta KM2 which I owned for a few months - a delightful little camera which I sold to switch to Pana FZ30 because I wanted more zoom. But Good Grief was it complex ! It offered every imaginable bell and whitle applicable to a digicam.

For example one even the K10D doesn't offer (yes I know the K10D isnt a digicam) - you could choose to have lines visible in the viewfinder (to aid composition) or not - as I remember 3 different sets of lines ! The KM also had the best ever EVF (something like 4 times the resolution of any other digicam ) - this must have cost a ton because it disappeared with the KM and never surfaced on any other digicam.

Anyhow thanks again for telling me where this option is located in the K10D its exactly what I want.

bill wilson
 
Isn't it nice that with the Pentax K10D you will have the choice of
in-body focusing right now, or with the new DA* lenses due next
spring, in-lens focusing.
Sure is Jim. I really felt the incamera focusing system was just an old-fashioned left-over but I find it has distinct advantes all its own - lenses are much lighter and cheaper for the same optical quality; the overall body/lens combo is lighter, and - of course - many excellent older lenses are available for manual focus use.

The only disadvantage I can see is a trifling amount of noise. I understand the old bodies had some with slow focus but the relatively enormous battery used in the K10D seems to make it focus quite quickly - certainly quicker than I need...

bill wilson
 
Agree I am having problems with that as well. You don't know if you pressed hard enough and then when you do it takes the picture. I would have preferred a button that had more travel so you know when you have pressed it half way down.

Though I do think after a couple of years of use one will get used to. :)

Robert
 
you might have to do some testing to get the real answer to this one.

I seem to recall a Pentax statement that it does NOT require waiting.

That's one of the reasons I prefer it to the Canon incamera stabilization - in the two Canon stabilized zooms I used you can SEE the stabilization effect, and in bad light you definitely DO have to wait until you SEE the effect to shoot
  • and in my particular area of interest - people's expressions in low available light shooting - it definitely can cost you the shot. Of course I eventually settled on burst only because one loses so many shots to low light subject motion with the slower Canon zooms which were all I could afford at the time.
No stabilized fast primes from Canon !~
 

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