1st Day with XTi - Birds

Any thoughts on what the best calibration for the best price is
available for any flat screen?
I'm not an expert by any means of the imagination. I use the Huey for my desktop but it tends to turn laptops greenish. So I have a Spyder2 which I use on laptops.

If the Huey didn't turn my laptop (old and new) screen greenish, I would prefer that one as it only takes a couple of minutes for the calibration. The Spyder2 takes longer, as long as 20 minutes depending on what controls you have for your monitor.

Olga
 
My monitor calibration is perfect. There are lost highlights in
some shots. For example some of the white wings in the 4th shot
lack detail. Perhaps its subjective but I think a slightly shorter
exposure would have been an option.
Indeed there are some small hot spots in a couple of pictures, but that doesn't mean the images are overexposed. There are other parts of the image that may be more important.
Is it being people defensive about XTi exposure, or is it people
being paranoid about underexposure and over compensating in
situations they dont have to. :)
In my case I'm not defensive about anything. I have enough cameras here where I don't have to show a bias for or against a camera. Ken showed some shots that some folks felt were overexposed. I disagreed and explained why.

Olga
 
Newbie question: What is meant when one says that a photo is "blown
out"?
That's a fair question. When an area of a photo should have detail, yet none exists because it has been overexposed, we call that blown out. It's also referred to as clipping - max values for all three color channels. If you look again at the white tailed kite you might notice that where the sun is shining on the left side of the head the detail is lost and you have pure white. No matter what you might try in PP you will never recover the lost detail.

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Ken
Canon 350D, EF-S 17-85 IS, 100-400L IS, 400 5.6L
Panasonic FZ20 & FZ50, DCR-6600, TCON 14B Nikon #5T & #6T
http://ken.smugmug.com/
 
I am very impressed that you managed to get that many shots of all those birds in one day! Do you have an aviary nearby that you shot these at?

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Hi,

Just got my camera, 17-40, 100macro usm and 580ex this week as well. I have had no problems thus far with under exposure(with +1/3 - which i used to do with film), or unacceptable noise thus far. Having fun learning how to use the camera. Love your pics.
Regards,
Roland from Perth, Australia.
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Enjoy Life
 
What were you using for metering. I would imagine partial would be best for these types of shots?
Great photos. What EC did you typically use for those shots? How
does the IQ compare to that of the 350D (Assuming that was your
previous camera).
Hard to say what EC I typically used as I shot in manual mode for
most of the morning. I'd say I tended to hold toward + 2/3 most of
the time but it varied on how the subject was lit. I tried shooting
in Tv mode during the first 1/2 hour and was getting consistently
underexposed results even as viewed on the LCD on the camera. IQ
wise it compares favorably witht the XT. I upgraded mostly for the
performance enhancements on the XTi - focus speed, larger LCD and
anit-dust. The extra MP don't hurt for bird photography if your a
crop a lot like I do. Can't afford a 500 f/4.

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Ken
Canon 350D, EF-S 17-85 IS, 100-400L IS, 400 5.6L
Panasonic FZ20 & FZ50, DCR-6600, TCON 14B Nikon #5T & #6T
http://ken.smugmug.com/
 
I am very impressed that you managed to get that many shots of all
those birds in one day! Do you have an aviary nearby that you shot
these at?
No, no aviary. Incredible as it may sound these were taken about 15 miles from downtown Los Angeles, Ca.

You're only seeing a small sample of the birds I photographed that day.I left out the Cooper's Hawks, Kestrels, Egrets, Herons, Pelicans and the host of other small birds I shot :)

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Ken
Canon 350D, EF-S 17-85 IS, 100-400L IS, 400 5.6L
Panasonic FZ20 & FZ50, DCR-6600, TCON 14B Nikon #5T & #6T
http://ken.smugmug.com/
 
Got the XTi on Wed. and didn't get a chance to shoot with it until
today -argh!

1st impression - it under exposes. Has anyone here mentioned that
before :)
no? did they? :)

I surely hope Canon issue a fix for that one soon.

I like the perigrine falcon a lot. I think your contrast are a little too strong though, you may burn some highlights that way.

also maybe some fill in flash with a better beamer would improve some of them, like the perigrine shot which is a little backlit.

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http://www.pbase.com/zylen
 
I was beginning to wonder about that. I've taken 40k + shots with
the XT and shared many of them on line and no one has complained
before about my shots looking over exposed. I know what to look
for. I suspect average folks tend to crank up the brightness on
their monitors and use them as an extra light bulb in their room :)
No, it's not my monitor...I use several different ones depending on where I am and what computer I'm using. The shots are overexposed as confirmed by the comment below:
With the number of complaints on this forum about about the XTi
underexposing, it seems people are getting very defensive about it.
There are some people that think it's a crime to have any areas of
your photos blown out. While it's nice to have detail in all areas
of a shot, there are simply times where the highlights are just not
significant to the photographer. It's all up to the individual. :)

I think you took some great shots!

Michael
In other words, your shots are overexposed but Michael thinks that's OK.
 
for. I suspect average folks tend to crank up the brightness on
their monitors and use them as an extra light bulb in their room :)
You don't even have to crank up the brightness. I had turned the
brightness down on my new laptop yesterday because I had found it
blinding, but it still showed overexposed images. It is now
calibrated and all is well.

Olga
My monitors are all calibrated and I don't turrn the brightness up very far at all.

There's no doubt the shots are overexposed as confirmed by other posters.
 
, or is it people
being paranoid about underexposure and over compensating in
situations they dont have to. :)
As confirmed in the OP, I think it's the shooter over compensating because of paranoia about XTi underexposure. It's funny that the OP talks about monitor calibration, but then says in the same posts that he used the XTi's LCD in the field to decide on exposure issues. The proper way is to use the histogram features of the camera when you're in the field.
 
world class work. Nothing whatever to critisize. Nothing. And yes it does underexpose- the idea being to retain hightlight detail, but if you overexpose by 0.3-0.7 and shoot RAW using Raw Shooter essentials strong auto setting and fooling around you get the highlight detail back, because it is there in RAW. If you only shoot jpeg try the beta version of Lightroom and open them one by one in develop and then you can claw back highlight detail by reducing the highlihjt slider by up to 100% moving the highlight pointer as far to the right as it will go (its the right-hand white triangle on the bottom, such that ONLY the overblown bits are affected, etc. Literooms great because it treats jpegs same as RAW. But truly ace pictures- we are worms, we are not worthy (hercules-Disney!)
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narayana
 
Oh yes I forgot. In literoom ALSO there is an essential slider called Recovery.
All these are in develop, the second screen. cheers!
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narayana
 
Nice pix but may I ask what sharpening setting was used/applied? The cormorant and heron for example look oversharpened to me. (The usual in my opinion, blah blah applies here)
woz
 
Thanks, I've been thinking on getting a Spyder myself, as we now all have either large Dell Flat Screens or Laptops in the family and have said good by to the tube units.
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Gordy - Reading, MA - USA
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NAPP Member
PBase Supporter
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Re: Your shots are overexposed (nt)
No, they are not. Only one shot has one small overexposed area (highlighted in red below). However, the same shot has more underexposed areas (highlighted in yellow).

It is always better to use RAW for such high contrast (wide DR) subjects. RAW preserves a few more bits compared to JPEG. Then it is possible to compress DR in software to recover details in both shadows and highlights.

 

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