Probably bye-bye Canon for me...

[tapir]

Now that full specs are known I guess I'm getting closer to dumping Canon in favor of noisy A100 (mainly because of SSS).

First good things I see about 400D vs 350D and entry-level competion:

• Very cheap intro price ($100 cheaper than original 350D)
• 2MP extra isn't much but still more cropping power and slight detail
• I'm sure Canon's CMOS will beat as usual all other 10MP DSLRs in clean but detailed high noise dept.
• 9 point AF and Picture Styles both from 30D
• Finally a nice 2.5" LCD (vs meager 1.8").
• Faster with deeper buffer
• Anti-dust (remains to be seen if it works)
• Finally at least one of my main pet peeves is satisfied - RGB histo like on Nikons (I really wish Sony wouldn't be stuck just with luma histo)
• Another usability pet peeve solved - Menu Changes are accpeted by half-shutter instead of extra Set

Now what really dissapoints (mainly my main pet peeves with XT):

• Terrible grip is still the same, even no nice non-slip coating is on offer
• VF magnification and brightnes are worse than D80, A100 and Pentax.
• Eye relief even went down which's important for me as a galss wearer.
• Still no ISO Priority (Auto ISO)
• Still no Spot Meter
• Still VF doesn't show parameters you're changing
• Now mono LCD dissapeared. I would've preferred if they kept even if that meant smaller 2.0" main LCD or slightly wider body.
• Still same extra cheap 18-55 kit lens with limited range. At least Canon could've made it 17-70 for $50 more. I don't care but many DSLR newbies choose on kit lens basis.

I think 30D price will drop significantly but I'm not interested since smth like 30D or D200 is too much of a camera for me in terms of size and weight (not functionality and design .

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[ohsotrue_]

I'd go with a D80 instead of an A100, but hey that's just me.

 

[Glenn W.]

You own a 350D, and several lenes for it... and because the next generation Canon entry level DSLR doesn't meet all your deisres for a new camera your're going to give up on all your canon stuff...

I wish I had that kind of cash to blow on camera gear.

Now that full specs are known I guess I'm getting closer to dumping
Canon in favor of noisy A100 (mainly because of SSS).

First good things I see about 400D vs 350D and entry-level competion:

• Very cheap intro price ($100 cheaper than original 350D)
• 2MP extra isn't much but still more cropping power and slight detail
• I'm sure Canon's CMOS will beat as usual all other 10MP DSLRs in

clean but detailed high noise dept.

• 9 point AF and Picture Styles both from 30D
• Finally a nice 2.5" LCD (vs meager 1.8").
• Faster with deeper buffer
• Anti-dust (remains to be seen if it works)
• Finally at least one of my main pet peeves is satisfied - RGB

histo like on Nikons (I really wish Sony wouldn't be stuck just
with luma histo)

• Another usability pet peeve solved - Menu Changes are accpeted by

half-shutter instead of extra Set

Now what really dissapoints (mainly my main pet peeves with XT):

• Terrible grip is still the same, even no nice non-slip coating is

on offer

• VF magnification and brightnes are worse than D80, A100 and Pentax.
• Eye relief even went down which's important for me as a galss

wearer.

• Still no ISO Priority (Auto ISO)
• Still no Spot Meter
• Still VF doesn't show parameters you're changing
• Now mono LCD dissapeared. I would've preferred if they kept even

if that meant smaller 2.0" main LCD or slightly wider body.

• Still same extra cheap 18-55 kit lens with limited range. At

least Canon could've made it 17-70 for $50 more. I don't care but
many DSLR newbies choose on kit lens basis.

I think 30D price will drop significantly but I'm not interested
since smth like 30D or D200 is too much of a camera for me in terms
of size and weight (not functionality and design .

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[Torque124]

Definitely a D80 instead of the Sony ; much nicer camera.

But the IQ of the Canon is hard to pass ; and the fact that some people already have some L lenses in their posession ...

Canon will sell plenty of 400D's

I'd go with a D80 instead of an A100, but hey that's just me.

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[SNGX1327]

yeah, no joke. the 400D doesn't look like a nice camera to me, in fact, i would NEVER buy it. deal breaker: shot settings on the display LCD. i'm not going to go for it.

but... you own a 350D... so how does this concern you? it doesn't concern me, i own an XT. the new camera sucks, oh well. i don't have the new camera.

in fact, i think my next camera is going to be either a 20D or 30D, some years down the line. i don't need the newest, i need what i like.

and uh, the sony SLR camera has shot settings ont he LCD, too...so why does that matter that the new canon has that feature?

 

[thw]

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[Neal Hood]

Like the 350 that came before it, the new 400 appears to be a camera oriented for the Best Buy and K-Mart type stores. Nothing special, just a high pixel camera to make it easier for the salesman to sell it. Canon wants sales, they are not trying to satisfy a bunch a photograhic aficionados. The camera will work fine at junior's soccer game and at the family picnic. If one desires a camera tuned to the historic needs of a amateur and professional photographer then the Nikon will likely better of better service. I say this because I put much more value in the user interface than a stop better noise performance that is utterly easily to overcome.

 

[Canonb]

have you seen the pictures coming out of that toy ? (Alpha).

Go take a look in the Sony SLR forum. Its a joke and people are proud of their pictures. Thats even funnier.

 

[pekr]

Yes, I am a bit disappointed with 400D too, as imo Canon instead of innovating like Nikon, they are taking their pieces and mostly repackaging stuff from their higher models, while p*ssing ppl with absolutly unnecessary ommissions (auto ISO in manual, Tv, Av modes, ISO in viewfinder). My belowed Amiga did it, and died that way

But hey - life is short 400D is going to be my first camera. My ideal one would be - a 30D, but that is not my price level. What was really important and the biggest worry for me is - high iso performance, as I shoot often parties and concerts. First ISO1600 image appeared - not sure if it is out of the camera, but if it is, then I am satisfied ...

But I have a good and acceptable strategy for me - I have to START somehow. And START, does NOT mean THE END. 400D is a good start, with back up strategy already in place - 400D display set-up is clearly just to prepare us for OLED display, so in the future I would expect even higher models not to offer status LCD. As time will go by, I can buy used 30D, or even new model, still 400D will be good as second body, mainly for travelling, or for my girlfriend.

I also know, that DSLR world is about lens world you are buying into, and I am already decided for:

• 50/1.8
• 70-300 IS
• Tamron 17-55/2.8

... as starters ...

Would not trade Canon lens world and ISO performance for something such noisy as high ISO of Sony, especially knowing, that next Canon model can fix most of our worries ...

Cheers,
Petr

 

[tapir]

But the IQ of the Canon is hard to pass ; and the fact that some
people already have some L lenses in their posession ...

Canon will sell plenty of 400D's

I'd go with a D80 instead of an A100, but hey that's just me.

D80 is certainly much nicer body than A100, though in usability and functionality only not IQ (same noisy Sony CCD). And Nikon like Canon for sure is a much better lens system than Sony/Minolta.

But one thing that really differentiates A100 is SSS (in-body IS) which works very well. To my shooting style that's very important. Canon/Nikon IS/VR lens are expensive, big, slow and usually not that good optically (unless L or past $1K). On the other hand SSS makes virtually any lens image stabilized (IS), including portrait primes or decent compact fast zooms like Tamron 17-50 f2.8 or Sigma 17-70. Then A100 is a decent and high performance body on its own merits.

If not for SSS I would never entertain idea of dumping Canon, not in favor Nikon and certainly not in favor of Sony.

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[T2k]

Like the 350 that came before it, the new 400 appears to be a
camera oriented for the Best Buy and K-Mart type stores. Nothing
special, just a high pixel camera to make it easier for the
salesman to sell it. Canon wants sales, they are not trying to
satisfy a bunch a photograhic aficionados. The camera will work
fine at junior's soccer game and at the family picnic. If one
desires a camera tuned to the historic needs of a amateur and
professional photographer then the Nikon will likely better of
better service. I say this because I put much more value in the
user interface than a stop better noise performance that is utterly
easily to overcome.

This is truly a classic one...

BPPD (Blatantly Pathetic Pseudo-professional Disorder), usually caused by the slow-progressing AAPD (Acute Aesthetic Picture Deficiency) syndrome.
It is known to be highly prevalent among Nikon fans.

Classic symptoms are more and more snobbish, pseudo-wise arguments, mostly against non-Nikon cameras, especially Canons with better price/performance ratio, lack of logic when it comes to arguing about Nikon, wisdom-spreading styled posts on forums etc.
Cureable but requires lot of time and patience.


by T2k!

 

[thw]

Would not trade Canon lens world and ISO performance for something
such noisy as high ISO of Sony, especially knowing, that next Canon
model can fix most of our worries ...

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[thw]

a stop better noise performance that is utterly
easily to overcome.

That easy, huh?

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thw.smugmug.com

 

[LPTA]

You're been a long time KM user, why stick with Canon? after all, Sony has Anti shake and it takes your KM lens.....BYE BYE
--
Andrew
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[LPTA]

why not getting the Sony? It's important to your photograhy. If you're already made up your mind, why stay here and whine? I would go to the store and purchase the A100 right now if I were you. Have fun with your Sony...
--
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[tapir]

have you seen the pictures coming out of that toy ? (Alpha).

Yes, I've seen many A100 pictures including from Phil who gave it "Highly Recommended". Up to ISO800 and in good hands it offers incredible resolution, detail and colors. At ISO 1600 it basically sucks big time.

Go take a look in the Sony SLR forum. Its a joke and people are
proud of their pictures. Thats even funnier.

So you suggest to choose DSLR based on a forum?

Btw, care to show your pictures?

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[LPTA]

I've missed about 50% of my shots because of my Canon camera ergonomics, and people think I'm cheap because I have a cheaply built camera, and I think I don't have any sense of fashion because my camera is black and my bazooka lens is white....
I'm OFF to get a Nikon camera....
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[JohnJ80]

So see you later then. Sayonara.

Uh, you can just leave all your old Canon 'junk' with me. I'll make sure it doesn't bother you any more.

J.

--
'Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please.' -
Mark Twain

(equip in profile)

 

[JohnJ80]

I think the lay term for this behaviour is 'trolling.'

Great post, T2K.

J.

Like the 350 that came before it, the new 400 appears to be a
camera oriented for the Best Buy and K-Mart type stores. Nothing
special, just a high pixel camera to make it easier for the
salesman to sell it. Canon wants sales, they are not trying to
satisfy a bunch a photograhic aficionados. The camera will work
fine at junior's soccer game and at the family picnic. If one
desires a camera tuned to the historic needs of a amateur and
professional photographer then the Nikon will likely better of
better service. I say this because I put much more value in the
user interface than a stop better noise performance that is utterly
easily to overcome.

This is truly a classic one...

BPPD (Blatantly Pathetic Pseudo-professional Disorder), usually
caused by the slow-progressing AAPD (Acute Aesthetic Picture
Deficiency) syndrome.
It is known to be highly prevalent among Nikon fans.
Classic symptoms are more and more snobbish, pseudo-wise arguments,
mostly against non-Nikon cameras, especially Canons with better
price/performance ratio, lack of logic when it comes to arguing
about Nikon, wisdom-spreading styled posts on forums etc.
Cureable but requires lot of time and patience.


by T2k!

--
'Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please.' -
Mark Twain

(equip in profile)

 

[Littlefield]

Why tell us like we give a damn.