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Hi,

I am going nuts with this. I cannot manage to get the real colors in PS CS2 no matter what setting I put. I have an image in sRGB. my working colors in PS CS2 is sRGB, and everything should look ok but my images are not looking right in CS2! here is a screen capture showing how it normaly display for the colors in acdsee and of course on the web..and on the right side and on top layer, you can see how I view the colors in Photoshop..

I cannot view them as they are and it always look wrong. Because of that I cannot adjust any color in PS CS2 because of course the result is all wrong at the end!

argggg...I am about to give up on CS2. PS 7 did not do that!

any idea? my image color profile is sRGB..my CS2 working profile is sRGB too..what's wrong? my images always look wrong at the end if I adjust them in CS2. Basicaly I want to be able to adjust the colors in CS2 and once on the web it look the same..but even though everything in in color profile sRGB..it does not look the same.

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For what its worth....the blue in your photoshop shot looks alot better than the one on the left. The left one looks fake. Could be me though, dunno.
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So far I have yet to use a RAW conversion program that has rendered my RAW files exactly the way I see them in the RAW converter, then saved as jpeg and opened up in PSE4, or any other program. There is never an exact conversion in the color rendering. I must be doing something wrong, but I can't figure it out, even after going through all the different color profiles, and then just shutting off color management all together in PSE4, and other programs, it still doesn't work. THe colors I see in my RAW editor never translate into the saved jpeg/TIFF/PSD files, not matter how I save the RAW file. :(

All I do know, is that when I edit the color in PSE4 (or PSPX, etc..) with all color management turned off, I get prints/web views, etc... exactly as I see them on my screen. I don't know what to say.

Here's my example from Lightroom, but it's the same for any of the countless other RAW editors that I have. The picture on the left is RAW still in Lightroom - the picture on the right is RAW saved as jpeg using sRGB and viewed in Windows Picture and Fax Viewer:



Hopefully someone else can help.

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Daniella said:
Hi,

I am going nuts with this. I cannot manage to get the real colors
in PS CS2 no matter what setting I put. I have an image in sRGB.
my working colors in PS CS2 is sRGB, and everything should look ok
but my images are not looking right in CS2! here is a screen
capture showing how it normaly display for the colors in acdsee and
of course on the web..and on the right side and on top layer, you
can see how I view the colors in Photoshop..

I cannot view them as they are and it always look wrong. Because
of that I cannot adjust any color in PS CS2 because of course the
result is all wrong at the end!

argggg...I am about to give up on CS2. PS 7 did not do that!

any idea? my image color profile is sRGB..my CS2 working profile
is sRGB too..what's wrong? my images always look wrong at the end
if I adjust them in CS2. Basicaly I want to be able to adjust the
colors in CS2 and once on the web it look the same..but even though
everything in in color profile sRGB..it does not look the same.

thanks



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Rudiman said:
For what its worth....the blue in your photoshop shot looks alot
better than the one on the left. The left one looks fake. Could be
me though, dunno.
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I have a properly calibrated monitor and I agree with you. The sky in the image on the left looks totally fake.

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borderrose said:
Your photoshop image carries a file name that begins with mg which
indicates that the colour space that is active is abobe rgb (argb).
If this is the case then the colour difference could be explained
by this.
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That's indeed normally the sign that Adobe RGB is the color space that was shot with.

Even if ACDSee Pro is set to color manage and use the embedded profile, its colors are usually off when doing so, especially with aRGB (and I believe this is a known problem if you web search).

Assuming calibrated monitor and so on, I'd trust Photoshop over ACDSee, also double-confirming one has aligned settings for working space, embedded profile, etc. within PS.

That does indeed look like the photo was probably shot as aRGB, not sRGB, based on filename.
 
philbarrett said:
On my ibook the colour of the sky is best in the image on the left.
However, they are totally reversed when viewed on my pc the image
on the right
being preferable.
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The bluer sky on the right image is better but the image of the redtail hawk on the left is slightly warmer than the one on the right. I like the hawk on the left more (it's subtle but...).
philbarrett said:
regards

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Daniella,

Are you using a hardware calibration device to make a monitor ICC profile? I use Eye-One from Gretag McBeth to generate my monitor ICC profile. That profile is loaded into Windows, so all color aware applications use that profile to render the color. I get an exact match between what my images look like in PSCS2, the Window's Viewer, or my web browser.

First, check to see what profile is being used under Windows. Right-click on any blank area of your desktop, select PROPERTIES from the drop-down list. Select the SETTINGS tab. Select ADVANCED. Now select the COLOR MANAGEMENT tab. here you will see what monitor profile is being loaded into Windows when you boot up your computer. Here is what mine looks like:



Note that the current monitor profile is the one generated from my Eye One Display.

Next, check your settings in PhotoShop. In PSCS2, go to EDIT ----> Color Settings.

Your settings should be like mine. These are the recommended settings from Eye-One.



Under the section titled WORKING SPACES, the first drop down box is for RGB. If you click on this tab, the drop down box will reveal if PSCS2 is recognizing your monitor profile. See mine below:



Note that the sRGB IEC61966-2.1 IS the RGB work space, but also note that my currently loaded Windows Monitor Profile is listed 5th in the drop down box (highlighted in blue). Also note that this profile is NOT the working space ~ this simply means that PSCS2 is aware of my Windows Monitor Profile.

Also, the folks at Gretag McBeth recommend that you disable or even uninstall Adobe Gamma, as you do not want to have two conflicting color management utilities competing.

Color management is a beast to understand and I'm still learning. I have finally gotten a monitor profile that I like and get a very close match to my prints from MPIX.com ~ and this was using a monitor temperature of 5500 to give me nice skin tones and nice natural tones in landscapes.

Hope this helps.

Wishing you lots of luck in getting this straightened out. It just occurred to me that you may also need to check the color settings in ACDC. I don't use that application, so have no help to offer there. What does it do?

All the best,

jim

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One thing if your shooting with Adobe RGB set on camera and then have your work space set to sRGB without converting the image to SRG this can really screw with colours, I had a similar problem a while back. Then I made sure that I was shooting Adobe RGB, workspace set to Adobe RGB and then convert to sRGB when I had finished my edits.
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In PS CS2, go to View, Proof set-up, then select Monitor RGB.

Then open a pic you have processed in the past prior to using CS2, click View, Proof Colors. Are the colors in PS CS2 now appear as you expect?

Romy
Daniella said:
any idea? my image color profile is sRGB..my CS2 working profile
is sRGB too..what's wrong? my images always look wrong at the end
if I adjust them in CS2. Basicaly I want to be able to adjust the
colors in CS2 and once on the web it look the same..but even though
everything in in color profile sRGB..it does not look the same.
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Using Mac here, but I too prefer the sky in the photoshop image (right), which has less red saturation. Sure a red-tailed hawk should look reddish, but both sky and hawk look better to me in the photoshop image. I suppose you could selectively saturate the hawk in CS2, leaving the sky alone.

I never have to increase red saturation with CS2 RAW with my XT, but sometimes increase green selectively.
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My first impression is, I can hardly believe you need help using photoshop .
If you do need help, then I am really in trouble.

Gorgeous photo, by the way, although I don't expect less.

1st observation....I believe the colour space selected in camera is RGB not sRGB. If your photoshop defaults to SRGB then it probabely did a conversion when bringing file in.
I am not sure whether you have selected parameter 1 or 2 in camera.

2cd thought. ... You have to trust the colours etc that are shown using photoshop. Other programs may show things different but it is photoshop that determines the final output. A raw conversion program is just the first step to obtaining a jpg/tiff file so you finish it in photoshop.

Many programs will treat a jpg/tiff file differently so on screen they will look different. I use RS.. for raw conversion.

Many people have responded with "I like #.. best" when actually the only choice is the photoshop version. manipulate the colours to please in that program.
my 2 cents
 
Your image looks desaturated.

In CS2 go to Edit> color settings and check the 'Desaturate monitor color by 20%' is turned off. This may well be your problem.

Also check you have the 'gamma' set correctly in Acdsee

Finally make sure you are using teh right monitor profile throughout.

There are many other setting in the color management you need to look at by I think the first entry here may be whats wrong.

good luck
 
for now it is impossible for me to adjust anything because if I want the result output to be like what I see in PS..I cannot get it.

usualy one have the inversed problem and see them more saturated in PS and dull on the web..I have the opposite and although everything is sRGB..I am at lost as to what cause this. to put it simple..I have no reference when I work on my photos as to what they will look at the end on the web. extremely anoying and I am thinking of ditching CS2 because of that.
Rudiman said:
For what its worth....the blue in your photoshop shot looks alot
better than the one on the left. The left one looks fake. Could be
me though, dunno.
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I cannot get the web image to look like the CS2 on the right unless a desaturate the one in CS2 to the limit..
ukdelboy said:
Rudiman said:
For what its worth....the blue in your photoshop shot looks alot
better than the one on the left. The left one looks fake. Could be
me though, dunno.
Click to expand...
I have a properly calibrated monitor and I agree with you. The sky
in the image on the left looks totally fake.

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