But historically, at least in Canada, Sony items usually sells at MSRP or just a tad lower (say a $1300 MSRP handycam usually streets at $1250)
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Joseph S Wisniewski
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The press release mentions dust: "The camera’s CCD image sensor has an indium tin oxide coating to avoid static build-up so that dust does not readily adhere."
As I've mentioned many times (usually when someone talks about not cleaning cameras in long time exposure mode because sensors are "charged") all sensors have this.
But using the stabilization platform to "shake" dust off is a cool idea.
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I guess I'll have to sell SONY to stop shouting!!! Anyways before posting I checked other press releases as this one:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0605/06052201ricohr40.asp#press
Anyways it was my feeble attempt at humor..........
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http://www.dpreview.com/news/0605/06052201ricohr40.asp#press
Anyways it was my feeble attempt at humor..........
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Joseph S Wisniewski
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I have, many times.
Back when it wore the Konica-Minolta label, that 70-200mm f2.8 was $300-500 more expensive than the stabilized Nikon or Canon counterparts, based on the street prices at B&H and Adorama.
I did a lot of lenses. Where you could find an apples-to-apples match, Minolta lenses tended to be a bit higher than Nikon or Canon, across the entire line.
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sandy b
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Sony R1 lists 999, sells for 750. Those lens prices will be lower unless they sell like hotcakes... free market rules
Thom Hogan
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True. It'll certainly help with most casual dust. But I have my doubts. I can also see it MOVING the dust but not removing it, and when you move a camera in and out of humidity, all bets are off.
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Don Fraser
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Is there any info to indicate whether the view in the optical viewfinder will be in the class of the Pentax early DSLRs, or whether it will be more tunnel-like, as in some other DSLRs?
Makinations
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They really should have the camera "cough" while that feature is running.
Dennis Phillips
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If the Canadian pricing of Sony DSLR equipment follows the Minolta experience, I'll be driving south to buy my camera equipment. The exchange rate seemed to have become stuck at $0.66 rather than the current $0.90.
Just gotta remember to start carrying my passport.
Fiat lux.
Just gotta remember to start carrying my passport.
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Fiat lux.
I think your Hasselblad statement was tongue in cheek. Hand Holding a Hasselbald would essentially mean hand holding the tripod it sits on 
Anyway hold a Minolta/Sony DSLR and a Canon or Nikon side by side and you'll see what I'm talking about.
Anyway hold a Minolta/Sony DSLR and a Canon or Nikon side by side and you'll see what I'm talking about.
Wayne Larmon
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Did you mean to say that you compared a lot of lenses? If so, then how did the Minolta lenses compare in (build and optical) quality to N or C?
Wayne
The prices of the 300/2.8, 70-200/2.8 and other exotic lenses are always going to be higher than ones from the high end volume leaders Canon and Nikon; this has always been the case, also with things like the Pentax 300/2.8 and the much discussed Olympus 300/2.8. These lenses will sell in far smaller quantities than ones from Canon or Nikon, which puts them at a price disadvantage.
Sigma, Tamron and Tokina are the friends of the smaller brand here; the economies of scale of selling the same design to all major lens mounts allows them to offer far less expensive options for 300/2.8 and 70-200/2.8, and the Sigma $640 30/1.4 as an alternative to the $1299 Sony 35/1.4 "normal".
Frankly, for now at least, the "exotic" (over $1000) Sony lenses probably exist mostly for the prestige of having some lenses for people to dream and talk about, and to keep selling existing Minolta lens designs to users of Minolta 35mm film SLR's. Most people planning to buy such exotic lenses for use with an "APS-C" format SLR will probably go for a more expensive, higher performance body than the A100, which for now mean another brand.
All the exotic Sony lenses look like re-releases or updates of designs for 35mm film cameras, not new designs adapted to 15.8x23.6mm sensor format. Look at the focal lengths: 300/2.8, 70-200/2.8, 85/1.4, 135/1.8. Even the $1299 35/1.4 looks very much like a wide angle lens design for 35mm format rather than a viable normal lens for the new digital format. Konica-Minolta said that this lens would cover 35mm format when they announced it last year, which helps to explain why the price is way out of line for a "normal". The $640 Sigma 30/1.4 DC is already expensive for a f/1.4 normal!
Sigma, Tamron and Tokina are the friends of the smaller brand here; the economies of scale of selling the same design to all major lens mounts allows them to offer far less expensive options for 300/2.8 and 70-200/2.8, and the Sigma $640 30/1.4 as an alternative to the $1299 Sony 35/1.4 "normal".
Frankly, for now at least, the "exotic" (over $1000) Sony lenses probably exist mostly for the prestige of having some lenses for people to dream and talk about, and to keep selling existing Minolta lens designs to users of Minolta 35mm film SLR's. Most people planning to buy such exotic lenses for use with an "APS-C" format SLR will probably go for a more expensive, higher performance body than the A100, which for now mean another brand.
All the exotic Sony lenses look like re-releases or updates of designs for 35mm film cameras, not new designs adapted to 15.8x23.6mm sensor format. Look at the focal lengths: 300/2.8, 70-200/2.8, 85/1.4, 135/1.8. Even the $1299 35/1.4 looks very much like a wide angle lens design for 35mm format rather than a viable normal lens for the new digital format. Konica-Minolta said that this lens would cover 35mm format when they announced it last year, which helps to explain why the price is way out of line for a "normal". The $640 Sigma 30/1.4 DC is already expensive for a f/1.4 normal!
JKP
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I remember that Canon's ISO 3200 is not really ISO3200, but ISO1600 with data values just mathematically doubled. Can be done also in Photoshop.
Real ISO3200 would be increasing signal in analog amplifier onthe sensor.
Correct if I'm wrong.
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ps. I could not post this having "ISO 3200" as the 'Subject' since it would have been "shouting"
Real ISO3200 would be increasing signal in analog amplifier onthe sensor.
Correct if I'm wrong.
-JKP-
ps. I could not post this having "ISO 3200" as the 'Subject' since it would have been "shouting"
Joseph S Wisniewski
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I compared quality on a few. The ones that immediately come to mind were the 70-200mm f2.8, the 85mm f1.4 or 1.2, and the 100 or 105mm macro.
To be honest, I'd always wondered why it took so long for Minolta to exit the game: they always struck me as not being a match for Nikon, Canon, or Pentax in the same lens classes in either build quality or optical quality.
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Jim Salvas
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Instead of obsessing about the cost of the Sony-branded Alpha-mount lenses, I'm looking at how I would now be able to use any Minolta-mount Tokina, Tamron or Sigma lens on this new 10mp camera and get IS essentially for free.
If you look at an SLR camera as mostly the platform for a lens and sensor, then the comparison with the Nikon D200 gets pretty remarkable. The Nikon 300mm f/2.8 VR lens costs well over $4,000 (and it's only a "G" lens!). On the other hand, the Tokina 300mm f/2.8 Pro ATX comes in at just over $2,000 and will be an IS lens on this Sony. If the guesses about the D200 sensor are correct, these lenses would be focusing on the same 10mp Sony sensor.
This might make for an interesting head to head comparison optical test.
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Jim
If you look at an SLR camera as mostly the platform for a lens and sensor, then the comparison with the Nikon D200 gets pretty remarkable. The Nikon 300mm f/2.8 VR lens costs well over $4,000 (and it's only a "G" lens!). On the other hand, the Tokina 300mm f/2.8 Pro ATX comes in at just over $2,000 and will be an IS lens on this Sony. If the guesses about the D200 sensor are correct, these lenses would be focusing on the same 10mp Sony sensor.
This might make for an interesting head to head comparison optical test.
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Jim
Tim the Grey
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I have been shooting film and digital for over 25 years...
I can count the rolls of fast film pretty much from memory.
I know I have used HP5 at an equivalent ASA of 12800, but that was a one off situation.
I really don't need it.
I know some do, but I fail to see why it should matter to the 80% who don't?
Tim
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I can count the rolls of fast film pretty much from memory.
I know I have used HP5 at an equivalent ASA of 12800, but that was a one off situation.
I really don't need it.
I know some do, but I fail to see why it should matter to the 80% who don't?
Tim
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Tim the Grey
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Joe, the dust shaker only fires when you turn the camera OFF...
AFTER the dust has blown your pictures?
Hmmm.
I assume it'll have sticky stuff like the Oly SSWF, to catch the dust it shakes loose...
Tim
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AFTER the dust has blown your pictures?
Hmmm.
I assume it'll have sticky stuff like the Oly SSWF, to catch the dust it shakes loose...
Tim
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I find this arrangement preferable to Oly's running the dust buster when you turn the camera on. With the Sony you can now have instantaneous startup whereas you need to wait a couple seconds for the Oly to run thru it's routine. The Sony sould be ready for immediate shooting when required, and then when you have some slow time, you could power cycle the camera to get another cleaning cycle if you thougt it was required.
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